Just how much trouble is Michael Flynn in?

[acidhead]

5 minutes ago, Ashotep said:

 

 

 

Sometimes I wish there were no parties but just people running on their own merits, their own beliefs on how this country should be run.  Maybe then we could avoid a lot of the problems that comes with parties but then again maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part.

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/muslim-american-olympiad-detained-customs-agents-trump-became-president-media-still-blames-trump/

Lol.... I find it funny whenever I ask any loving compassionate Lefty if they consider themselves peaceful individuals why they consistently advocate for GOV to enforce their beliefs for them!  The strange look on their face emerges when they realize what they're asking for is the State to enforce the violence for them.   lol

[Ashotep]

2 hours ago, OldNate said:

So, I'm not sure this actually counters my point...it kind of proves it.  The "I know you are but what am I" approach to citizenship is the problem here.  The only reason you think your side is superior is because it's yours, and aligns with what you believe and want.  The Left would say exactly the same thing about you, citing excellent examples, for the same reason.  And on and on and on it goes.  

At what point does maturity and the realization that a nation divided can never be "great" come into it?  Does it ever?  Guess we'll see... At the point the conversation cannot even begin, because both sides are so convinced of their rightness.  Someone's wrong...but it's not possible it's you, right?    

 I voted for Obama both times and deeply regret it.  So I am a lefty that went right.  I opened my eyes and saw what Obama, the man I voted for, supported, was doing to this country.  The reaction out of my former party has turned me off democrats forever and I didn't support republicans when I started becoming unsatisfied with Obama.  I still don't support some republicans.  I'm not against helping the working poor with healthcare either so I'm not a hard core life long republican.  There are other people that voted for Obama just like me.  That is why Trump won. 

[Agent0range]

27 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Lol.... I find it funny whenever I ask any loving compassionate Lefty if they consider themselves peaceful individuals why they consistently advocate for GOV to enforce their beliefs for them!  The strange look on their face emerges when they realize what they're asking for is the State to enforce the violence for them.   lol

I think you actually have that completely backwards.  When it comes to social issues, the left is not asking for the government to enforce their beliefs.  The want from the left is NO government involvement.  The government shouldn't say who can or can't get married.  The government should not tell me what to do with my body.  The government should not tell me I can't ingest a plant far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  It is the right who want laws against things.

[acidhead]

1 minute ago, Agent0range said:

I think you actually have that completely backwards.  When it comes to social issues, the left is not asking for the government to enforce their beliefs.  The want from the left is NO government involvement.  The government shouldn't say who can or can't get married.  The government should not tell me what to do with my body.  The government should not tell me I can't ingest a plant far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  It is the right who want laws against things.

Both the right and left do it... more often than not you'll see the right advocating for State laws then the Left takes it further to the Federal level.  One glaring example recently is the SC legislation regarding gay marraige.

Though I agree 100% most issues would be non-issues if there was zero GOV involvement at all.

[Agent0range]

Just now, acidhead said:

Both the right and left do it... more often than not you'll see the right advocating for State laws then the Left takes it further to the Federal level.  One glaring example recently is the SC legislation regarding gay marraige.

Though I agree 100% most issues would be non-issues if there was zero GOV involvement at all.

Gay marriage..the right wants it ILLEGAL because the bible says it's bad.  And again, it's the left wanting the government to enforce their belief?

[acidhead]

6 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Gay marriage..the right wants it ILLEGAL because the bible says it's bad.  And again, it's the left wanting the government to enforce their belief?

Thats the point Im getting at bud.. lol... it was Federally legal!!! Not every State prohibited gay marraige either but low and behold its now a Federal Law over riding State law.  .......lol..... all over a word.... lol.

Also you're assuming everybody on the Right is religious....lol

Edited February 16, 2017 by acidhead

[Clarakore]

46 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Lol.... I find it funny whenever I ask any loving compassionate Lefty if they consider themselves peaceful individuals why they consistently advocate for GOV to enforce their beliefs for them!  The strange look on their face emerges when they realize what they're asking for is the State to enforce the violence for them.   lol

You mean like stopping slavery, forced segregation and bans on biracial marriage?

How dare the federal government enforce that. We should have let the states who wanted to just continue doing all that without end.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Avatar Samantha Ai

[acidhead]

Just now, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

You mean like stopping slavery, forced segregation and biracial marriage?

How dare the federal government enforce that.

Lol... you and your knee jerk emotional plea responses!!! Lol

Here's a thought!  Instead of using GOV to counter descriminate laws how about abolishing just the first laws instead of creating new ones to reach a broader spectrum than the origninal ones?

The only law needed to be enforced is the protection of life, liberty and private property...... for all, except illegals if course.

Lol

 

[CrimsonKing]

5 minutes ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

You mean like stopping slavery, forced segregation and bans on biracial marriage?

Bad examples Sam as i'm sure the right had a larger hand in those first 2 than the left did 

But that just fudges the narrative up doesn't it?

Forget i said that everyone 

[Agent0range]

4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Bad examples Sam as i'm sure the right had a larger hand in those first 2 than the left did 

But that just fudges the narrative up doesn't it?

Forget i said that everyone 

They are still examples of social liberalism, no matter which party was more socially liberal at the time.

[Likely Guy]

1 hour ago, Ashotep said:

RINO's are targeting him. Its the same ones that were against him from the beginning but its not near all republicans.

But Trump's a RINO.

U.S. Politics used to be simpler.

[Likely Guy]

3 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

They are still examples of social liberalism, no matter which party was more socially liberal at the time.

Very true, and astute.

[Yamato]

33 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I can see the angle you're going with here Yam.... yet be careful in how you create the argument or it sounds like you feel your nation shouldn't have a Military with the objective of providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the American people in the U.S. against the risk of attack by a foreign power.

Okay but objective wasn't mentioned, but therein lies the difference between national defense and military spending.   As for Socialism though, he doesn't genuinely oppose something he constantly calls for a lot more of.   Doesn't even matter what my opinions are, I'm just the messenger.  I only care the point is valid, not what my feelings sound like!

Instead of financing trillion dollar wars on religion or crusader clashes of civilization, instead of floating no-military-at-all strawmen, let's talk realistically about this.  Give me a figure for Canada's annual military spending and how much there needs to be spent to keep you and yours safe. 

Canada pays a lot less for this military racket, thanks to US taxpayers footing the bill for it, giving you so much less to worry about up there.  Do you need nukes?  No.  Do we need beer and syrup?  Yes!  So it all works out. 

But I think that given we're next door neighbors and so similarly minded, Canada's military expenditures should be close to equivalent to the US's military expenditures per capita to keep us both safe.   So let's do this!!!!   What percentage of our total spending are we talking about here?       I think a great deal for the US would be for Donald Trump to get Trudeau to help pay for all the dumb adventures if you actually think that such military spending is "providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the Canadian people in Canada against the risk of attack".....then you must be cool with the Syrian refugees and all the rest of the blowback.   

Let's also talk about the 2nd Wall we need to keep us safe from radical Islamic terrorists crossing our northern border from Canada and how much you're going to pay for the wall.

[CrimsonKing]

Just now, Agent0range said:

They are still examples of social liberalism, no matter which party was more socially liberal at the time.

I agree but sometimes others need reminding that their holy party hasn't always been some bastion of enlightenment 

Hell i'm the same as you on certain topics funny enough...It's no ones business who others marry,weed prohibition is stupid,ect...

I just prefer others know and understand their parties aren't perfect and never have been!If something bad comes out discuss what one really thinks instead of dodging,deflecting,and defending them!

[CrimsonKing]

3 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

Very true, and astute.

Sometimes your need to defend your side borders on sychophantic  

[acidhead]

13 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Okay but objective wasn't mentioned, but therein lies the difference between national defense and military spending.   As for Socialism though, he doesn't genuinely oppose something he constantly calls for a lot more of.   Doesn't even matter what my opinions are, I'm just the messenger.  I only care the point is valid, not what my feelings sound like!

Instead of financing trillion dollar wars on religion or crusader clashes of civilization, instead of floating no-military-at-all strawmen, let's talk realistically about this.  Give me a figure for Canada's annual military spending and how much there needs to be spent to keep you and yours safe. 

Canada pays a lot less for this military racket, thanks to US taxpayers footing the bill for it, giving you so much less to worry about up there.  Do you need nukes?  No.  Do we need beer and syrup?  Yes!  So it all works out. 

But I think that given we're next door neighbors and so similarly minded, Canada's military expenditures should be close to equivalent to the US's military expenditures per capita to keep us both safe.   So let's do this!!!!   What percentage of our total spending are we talking about here?       I think a great deal for the US would be for Donald Trump to get Trudeau to help pay for all the dumb adventures if you actually think that such military spending is "providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the Canadian people in Canada against the risk of attack".....then you must be cool with the Syrian refugees and all the rest of the blowback.   

Let's also talk about the 2nd Wall we need to keep us safe from radical Islamic terrorists crossing our northern border from Canada and how much you're going to pay for the wall.

Cool lets get right on it buds!!

Lol

[Tatetopa]

23 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

So do you agree with me?...

This is up there "possibly" with Bill and Loretta's "family talk" conversation shortly before her hearing...or is it "possibly" just nothing...

The problem with holding our gov officials responsible and to honesty is hard tk pull off when people only want to b**** and complain when the other side did something that looks shady.

Hey @Sam look back and quote what you had to say about that...yeah didn't think so 

Yes I agree with you, both sides need to be held to the same standard.  We would all be better off if we didn't enable dishonesty on both sides.

[Yamato]

Just now, acidhead said:

Cool lets get right on it buds!!

Lol

Yeah who cares about dead soldiers and ripping off the taxpayers.

[Michelle]

1 hour ago, Agent0range said:

I think you actually have that completely backwards.  When it comes to social issues, the left is not asking for the government to enforce their beliefs.  The want from the left is NO government involvement.  The government shouldn't say who can or can't get married.  The government should not tell me what to do with my body.  The government should not tell me I can't ingest a plant far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  It is the right who want laws against things.

What about Bloomberg's failed big soda ban? Schools taking away sweet treats parents put in their kids lunch boxes. They want people to be able to smoke pot, but smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol is looked down on. Keep taxing them higher and higher forcing people to quit.

All works of the left.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Michelle

[Likely Guy]

22 minutes ago, Yamato said:

But I think that given we're next door neighbors and so similarly minded, Canada's military expenditures should be close to equivalent to the US's military expenditures per capita to keep us both safe.   So let's do this!!!!   What percentage of our total spending are we talking about here?       I think a great deal for the US would be for Donald Trump to get Trudeau to help pay for all the dumb adventures if you actually think that such military spending is "providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the Canadian people in Canada against the risk of attack".....then you must be cool with the Syrian refugees and all the rest of the blowback.   

Let's also talk about the 2nd Wall we need to keep us safe from radical Islamic terrorists crossing our northern border from Canada and how much you're going to pay for the wall.

I don't agree with a damn thing you said there, eventhough I "liked" it.

I just like the way you wrote it.

[Tatetopa]

13 hours ago, Ashotep said:

No I just want proof and not innuendo.  The left have made it perfectly clear they are going to go after Trump no matter what even with lies.

We should have started with holding Obama accountable like for Benghazi, Fast and Furious, you can keep you doctor, dumb Iran nuke deal, giving money to Iran.

Me too. As I said, I am not saying Flynn is guilty, I was just responding to your willingness to excuse "the dog ate my homework"   Yes we should have started holding Obama, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, and a host of others responsible  for what they have done.  I don't even favor holding Flynn to a higher standard, let him slide like the rest. He can keep doing his job for all I care, but somewhere can we finally develop some integrity and backbone and say enough?   Washington and Congress are full of two faced self serving liars.  They are differentiated by their party affiliation alone.  And no matter who gets elected, they play us against each other, keep us fearful of the other side, throw us a few sops, and keep raking in the dough and privileges, and doing what they please.

If Hillary had been elected, the characters might have been different, the issues modified, but at the core, what would be different?  

A lot of our congressmen claim to be inspired by Ayn Rand, but instead of aspiring to be John Galt; they wind up as Tinky Holloway or Wesley Mouch.  SHAMEFUL! SAD!

[acidhead]

23 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Yeah who cares about dead soldiers and ripping off the taxpayers.

Yeah who cares buds.. I as sure as heck ain't going to be shamed into mourning the loss of individuals for their career choices. 

[Yamato]

Just now, acidhead said:

Yeah who cares buds.. I as sure as heck ain't going to be shamed into mourning the loss of individuals for their career choices. 

Now you're making it sound like we don't need a military!

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, Yamato said:

What do you think it is every time you come here with another sales pitch for the military?    You're not anti-socialist, you're anti-welfare.   That's where all the "Left" business comes from.   

You talk down Socialism on a regular basis, but you're the biggest proponent of the most socialist institution in our country.   

W-A-H wa W-A-H

Then again that may be too cerebral of a comment for you.

[aquatus1]

13 hours ago, Ashotep said:

I agree if you are in politics you have a target on your back but not like there is with Trump. 

But we are talking about Flynn.  Trump...well, he's never pretended to be a politician, and I wouldn't expect someone who grew up in an ivory tower surrounded by yes men to understand the concept of self-defense.

Edit:  Actually, are we talking about Flynn?  I may be getting my threads mixed up.  I'm kind of tired of Trump as the center of every topic.

Edited February 16, 2017 by aquatus1