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Team Trump's Complex Web of Ties With Russia

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Farmer77
3 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

What about the Iraqi adventure? 

Oh yes, I forgot the other High Confidence they were Highly Confident about; that there was a vast Moderate Resistance in Syria (that presumably were just too Moderate to make themselves conspicuous) that, with their support, would somehow be able to beat both ISIS and Assad, and (all together now), they'd be able to impose a peaceful democracy within months. :yes::no:  

You actually think all of the above was a mistake? Thats called ensuring corporate profits for the foreseeable future!!!! 

Im not a fan of them myself but its all we have. Taking the word of ANY president in this situation would be wholly unacceptable. The fact that its Donald (I dont settle lawsuits, but just settled one for defrauding old people) Trump only highlights that fact. 

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Clarakore

Roger Stone admitted having "a backchannel to Wikileaks' Julian Asange" to expose Hillary, then he deleted his tweet.

He also melted down calling certain women "fat and stupid", "stupid ignorant ugly bee", and "you stupid stupid bee".

 

 

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AnchorSteam
18 hours ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

And your proof for this? 

Are you calling me a liar?

You know who isn't doubting this? The Germans. Remember how Obama had Angela Merkel's phones tapped 6 years ago? I guarantee you, THEY sure do!

The proof comes in 3 parts, you got 6 minutes?

Its 12 minutes total, but the first half is the real meat in the meal. But he also mentions how more Journalists were prosecuted under the espionage act during Obama's 8 years than by any other Administration combined.

 

Interesting, isn't it?

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Dumbledore the Awesome
18 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

You actually think all of the above was a mistake? Thats called ensuring corporate profits for the foreseeable future!!!! 

  

And you think the beliggerence* towards Russia is any different?  

* belligerence?

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Farmer77
3 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

And you think the beliggerence* towards Russia is any different?  

* belligerence?

No not at all its simply the continuation of the process. 

The problem we face though is that even if Trump wanted to stop us from the path to war with Russia (based on HIS UN ambassador I would say he really doesnt) he still needs to be investigated for contact with a foreign nation which appears to have helped him get elected. 

I dont believe that the end result was them actually "helping" Hillary is a horrible slag who most likely would have lost without the leaks but it looks shady as hell and needs to be knocked down or prosecuted. 

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Dumbledore the Awesome
3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

he still needs to be investigated for contact with a foreign nation which appears to have helped him get elected. 

 Your conspiracy theory is illogical; if he still wants war with Russia why would he collude with the Russkies to cheat his way into office, or rather why would the Russkies collude with him? There's a flaw in logic there. Is he that devious that he got them to collude with him to cheat his way into office, and then he's going to turn round and stab them in the back and say "ha ha, suckers" and find some pretext for war with them? 

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Farmer77
4 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 Your conspiracy theory is illogical; if he still wants war with Russia why would he collude with the Russkies to cheat his way into office, or rather why would the Russkies collude with him? There's a flaw in logic there. Is he that devious that he got them to collude with him to cheat his way into office, and then he's going to turn round and stab them in the back and say "ha ha, suckers" and find some pretext for war with them? 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend and politics makes strange bedfellows are two appropriate quotes that pop to mind.

The reality is his buddies dont need war with Russia to increase profits, just the impression that one is possible or imminent .  

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Clarakore
1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 Your conspiracy theory is illogical; if he still wants war with Russia why would he collude with the Russkies to cheat his way into office, or rather why would the Russkies collude with him? There's a flaw in logic there. Is he that devious that he got them to collude with him to cheat his way into office, and then he's going to turn round and stab them in the back and say "ha ha, suckers" and find some pretext for war with them? 

The plot thickens.

 

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US spies have 'considerable intelligence' on high-level Trump-Russia talks, claims ex-NSA analyst

Former agent says 'serious investigation' will find enough evidence to send people to jail.

 

John Schindler, a security expert specialised in espionage and terrorism, tweeted : “Ahem: US IC has considerable SIGINT featuring high-level Russians talking about their collusion with Team Trump.” 

The former agent said that intelligence has been gathered from the NSA and its partners from intercepted electronic and communication signals. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-collusion-campaign-us-spies-nsa-agent-considerable-intelligence-a7613266.html

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Farmer77
7 minutes ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

Pelosi (not a fan for the record) was pretty candid in saying they already have enough to begin impeachment proceedings but are choosing to wait until its a slam dunk. Gotta wonder if this is what she was referring to. 

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Dumbledore the Awesome

You people who are just itching to see the world's #'1 most hated Nasty Man removed from office because he's colluding with the vile tyrant to look the other way while he invades europe or whatever paranoid stuff you believe, what do you think will happen then? What would you like to happen then?  The Blessed Hillary will descend from heaven and take up her rightful place on the golden throne, and immediately press the button to rid the world of this vile monster (Poot'n I mean)? is that what you believe will happen?  And why do you believe that the russkies are just itching to invade Europe anyway, Avatar Samantha? What leads you to believe that? I would actually like you to answer this this time, and not just sarcastically "like" this. 

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Dumbledore the Awesome
1 hour ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

US spies have 'considerable intelligence' on high-level Trump-Russia talks,

Why can't you get it into your paranoid head that there should be "high-level Trump-Russia talks", i'd like there to be "high-level Trump-Russia talks", i want there to be "high-level Trump-Russia talks". I don't care about the *******in' "Democratic" party's paranoid ravings or that deranged nutcase McCain.  

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Dumbledore the Awesome

And stop *******in' sarcastically liking these posts, Avatar Samantha, or I will report you as a troll.

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Myles

How did Russia help Trump get elected?

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, Myles said:

How did Russia help Trump get elected?

While I personally think that hillary would have lost without the email thing clearly the intent of hacking and releasing the emails was for the emails to embarrass Clinton and hurt her election chances. 

 

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Clarakore
4 minutes ago, Myles said:

How did Russia help Trump get elected?

 

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One of the most startling allegations ina January report by U.S. intelligence agencies about Russian hacking was this sentence: “Russia has sought to influence elections across Europe.” This warning of a campaign far broader than the United States got little attention in America.

We may be missing the forest for the trees in the Russia story: The Kremlin’s attempt to meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is part of a much bigger tale of Russian covert action — in which Donald Trump’s campaign was perhaps a tool, witting or unwitting. This secret manipulation, if unchecked, could pose an “existential threat” to Western democracy, argues Gérard Araud, France’s ambassador to Washington.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russias-assault-on-americas-elections-is-just-one-example-of-a-global-threat/2017/02/23/3a3dca7e-fa16-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.6c43eb845415

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Myles
Just now, Farmer77 said:

While I personally think that hillary would have lost without the email thing clearly the intent of hacking and releasing the emails was for the emails to embarrass Clinton and hurt her election chances. 

 

That's what I thought.     However, wasn't the millions of dollars in donations Saudi Arabia made to Hillary's campaign intended to help Hillary beat Trump?     I just don't see a big difference.  

 

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Clarakore
1 hour ago, Myles said:

That's what I thought.     However, wasn't the millions of dollars in donations Saudi Arabia made to Hillary's campaign intended to help Hillary beat Trump?     I just don't see a big difference.  

 

 

Not to her campaign.

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It’s now possible to look up donation amounts on the Clinton Foundation’s website. Using Trump’s Saudi Arabia example, Saudi Arabia shows up as having given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation started.When it began in 1997, the foundation’s main goal was to build the Clinton presidential library, although it left open the option to "engage in any and all other charitable, educational and scientific activities" that nonprofits are allowed to do under federal law.

The Washington Post reported that Saudi Arabia gave about $10 million to build the library. (According to the Post, the Saudis gave a similar amount to the George H.W. Bush library.)  After the library donation, the Saudis gave very little and stopped giving entirely during the time Clinton was secretary of state. She stepped down in early February 2013.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/07/fact-checking-donations-clinton-foundation/

To his campaign as well.

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DONALD TRUMP SUDDENLY lashed out at the influence of foreign lobbyists on Monday, calling toban them from donating to U.S. candidates and accusing his rival of being corrupted by foreign interests. “The reason Hillary Clinton pushes for NAFTA, or the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and for completely open borders, is because her international donors control her every move,” Trump said, announcing what he called his ethics reform plan.

But newly filed campaign reports show several donations from foreign lobbyists to his own campaign. They are among a tide of other lobbyists, mainstream special-interest groups and consumer-facing companies that have begun to heavily fund Trump’s political campaign, which was previously fueled by small donors.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/trump-foreign-lobbyist/

 

Trump received funds from Saudi Arabia specifically. 

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“Why don’t you give back the money,” Trump demanded, calling the foundation a “criminal enterprise.”

The latest filing from Trump Victory, his presidential campaign committee, reveal that Trump now receives donations from lobbyists associated with the very regimes Trump denounced on stage.

Marc Lampkin, a lobbyist for Saudi Arabia, gave recently to the Trump campaign. Lobbyists for BGR Group, another firm representing the Saudi government, have given to the Trump campaign.

https://theintercept.com/liveblogs/thirddebate/donald-trump-now-accepts-saudi-arabias-lobby-cash/

 

And look at his other ties stemming back years.

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Donald Trump has blasted Hillary Clinton for accepting money from Saudi Arabia through her foundation, but a Daily News investigation reveals he has padded his bank account with cash from the same country.

Trump sold the 45th floor of Trump World Tower to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $4.5 million in June 2001, according to a city Finance Department spokeswoman. In 2008, the apartments became part of the Saudi Mission to the United Nations, records show.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211

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White Unicorn
On 3/3/2017 at 4:32 PM, Farmer77 said:

For me its about the good of the nation. Ive used this analogy a couple of times now and I think it fits well, a man running for president and joking about having a foreign nation intervene in the process is akin to joking about a bomb while in line at the TSA - its inappropriate and needs to be investigated to ensure it really was a joke. 

I dont want democrats to be elected, i dont want to turn back time and make hillary win and I didnt want her to win then. Our goals may align at this moment but I hold as much disdain for the dems as I do for the Trumpians. 

Its about an oligarch and his friends putting themselves and their corporate interests before those of America. Its about keeping those in power held in check. Trumps use of the Stalinistic term "enemies of the people" when referring to the free press should have sent shivers up the spine of every American and put us all on notice to be paying closer attenion. 

In the Sessions case the dude misled congress. Theres simply no way around it. You can argue he didnt perjure himself because of his intent , but he did mislead congress and thats unacceptable behavior from the nations top law enforcement officer regardless of their party. 

 

When I watched the Sessions confirmation hearings live. One answer was to the question of Russian campaign involvements. Another was a direct question of did you ever have any contact with any Russians. He said one word NO. That was a lie! 

GOP news only seems to play back the first question and say how bad Democrats are to say he mislead during the hearings. Liberal news shows his second response too. So both sides are adding their own spins as always. 

A lot of our politicians on both sides have met with foreign embassadors in their work if they are are special committees and such. However most do not. Why did Sessions say no when he did? It is most damning to mislead under oath during a hearing especially for AG who is supposed to know the law.

 

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, Myles said:

That's what I thought.     However, wasn't the millions of dollars in donations Saudi Arabia made to Hillary's campaign intended to help Hillary beat Trump?     I just don't see a big difference.  

 

I think the difference is in the direct efforts of a foreign nation trying to influence the opinions of the voters. 

I really dont want to get hung up on that though. I mostly agree with you both behaviors are wrong and IMO render both individuals unfit to lead our nation. 

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Myles
5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I think the difference is in the direct efforts of a foreign nation trying to influence the opinions of the voters. 

I really dont want to get hung up on that though. I mostly agree with you both behaviors are wrong and IMO render both individuals unfit to lead our nation. 

I agree.   Was the email info adjusted or changed?  

News outlets both foreign and domestic obtain their info in questionable ways and they report stories that influence the opinions of others.   Most with an agenda.  

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White Unicorn
On 3/3/2017 at 4:16 PM, Farmer77 said:

I did appreciate Shumer's response 

Happily talk re: my contact w Mr. Putin & his associates, took place in '03 in full view of press & public under oath. Would you &your team? 

At least he didn't say, no I never met a Russian associate under oath. That's transparency to the public he represents about his diplomatic public service.

I don't think Sessions was under collusion with Russians just the big oil companies. 

However Montifore and other Trump campaign people had shady ties financially and politically. That's why the FBI and others were investigating the campaign ties to the hackings. In my opinion Obama was too slow in addressing the Russian involvement in hacks and fake news, because he didn't foresee Trump really getting elected. 

I don't like Nancy Poloisi much but I liked what she said about Russian interference in our Democracy. Investigate both Republicans and Democrats with a special independent committee and prosecutor. 

I believe in let the chips fall where they may. Also if it's like the 911 independent investigation it would leave more time for everyone in the Congress Senate and administration to work on the policy issues.

 

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Pop It and Shove It

"..That's because he (Putin) would rather have a puppet as President."

She wasn't wrong was she?

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Farmer77

This is a fun little peek into the white house :

Video shows heated Oval Office meeting 

 

Not much to it but Bannon ranting and pointing fingers but still good to know team Trump is falling apart 

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AnchorSteam
7 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Pelosi (not a fan for the record) was pretty candid in saying they already have enough to begin impeachment proceedings but are choosing to wait until its a slam dunk. Gotta wonder if this is what she was referring to. 

Funny thing, nobody that I have ever met claims to be a fan of Granny bug-eyes... but so many of them are willing to make use of her crazy comments.

Between her and McCain, it is hard to figure which of them is a better poster-child for Term Limits. 

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Farmer77
3 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Funny thing, nobody that I have ever met claims to be a fan of Granny bug-eyes... but so many of them are willing to make use of her crazy comments.

Between her and McCain, it is hard to figure which of them is a better poster-child for Term Limits. 

Cant stand either of them, however as Samuel Clemens said politics makes strange bedfellows and as some indian dude said long ago the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

Love me some term limits though!!!! Time to end the perpetual oligarchy 

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