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aztek
8 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

It's just like what is happening to trump now. When headlines of possible scandals surround a candidate it makes people second guess and lose trust.

That's why I propose no more politicians. too easily manipulated and so easy to mess up because of human Idioms.  

yea, but you assume, your way wont have any chance to get corrupted, (as Stalin used to say, it is irrelevant who votes, only people that count votes  matter) there is not a single country in the world that uses what you suggested, i wonder why. 

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Pop It and Shove It
3 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Why in the world would I be mad when Trump won the election and Hillary lost it?  I despise Hilary Clinton and my joy at her loss was, and still is, truly immense so you are very much in the wrong about my anger PPO and anyone who feels the same way about Hillary will tell you the same thing.   Sorry to disappoint you PPO but November 8th was a huge, huge win for me and people like me and nothing about it angers me in the least.   Now let's hope the impanel a grand jury and start sending subpoenas for Hillary's public corruption trial.  If that doesn't happen then yes, I will be angry.

BTW, you were very wrong above (nothing new there), mob rule is not our electoral system, mob rule is what you are ranting about, a pure democracy, and a proper education would've taught you that.   A democracy only lasts as long as it takes a majority to realize they can vote themselves the wealth others have accumulated and from thereon always vote for the candidate who promises them more benefits.  At that point the descent into anarchy is steep and failure inevitable.    Winston Churchill summed it up best when he said “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”   :tu:

 

Poor Trumpet, The Donald has already ruled out going after Hillary. Curious, how that bothers you but you have no interest in the Russian ties in Trump's cabinet. My education was most likely superior to yours, after all you're the one who is one step away from advocating dictatorship in America, not me. Why bother with elections at all? Let's put you in charge, you know what's best - no need for everyone else to have a say.

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BlackBearWolf
2 minutes ago, aztek said:

i'm sure you would, but i would not.

 

 

I believe States should determine their own welfare systems, that are based upon the wishes of those states residents. Its kinda funny though that middle Americas welfare is paid for by the Industrious coastal states. 

I agree that the money and taxes earned by some states should not be shared with others. Where would that leave the south though?

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1 minute ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I believe States should determine their own welfare systems, that are based upon the wishes of those states residents. Its kinda funny though that middle Americas welfare is paid for by the Industrious coastal states. 

I agree that the money and taxes earned by some states should not be shared with others. Where would that leave the south though?

One reason seeing California leave would be worth it, middle America would wonder where all the funding went...

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Sweetpumper
1 minute ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Poor Trumpet, The Donald has already ruled out going after Hillary. Curious, how that bothers you but you have no interest in the Russian ties in Trump's cabinet. My education was most likely superior to yours, after all you're the one who is one step away from advocating dictatorship in America, not me. Why bother with elections at all? Let's put you in charge, you know what's best - no need for the rest of us to have a say.

There are no ties. Notice the lack of any evidence, just the parroting back and forth in the fake news?

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BlackBearWolf
2 minutes ago, aztek said:

yea, but you assume, your way wont have any chance to get corrupted, (as Stalin used to say, it is irrelevant who votes, only people that count votes are matter) there is not a single country in the world that uses what you suggested, i wonder why. 

Because It takes power away from big business, lobbiest, the industrial military prison complex. They have a lot to lose.

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AnchorSteam
1 hour ago, Merc14 said:

It doesn't "pain me" in the least.  Hillary, stupidly, decided to divert campaign manpower and funds from states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to CA and NY in order to bolster her popular vote numbers.  This was done so that she could enter office having won both the electoral and popular votes thereby having the mandate you are jabbering about so hysterically.   Michigan, in particular, railed against this move, telling her staff that the 5% lead they were counting on was nonexistent and Hillary was in serious trouble in the state, a prophetic warning it turns out as she lost Michigan and its 16 electoral votes

Well, Hillary did bolster her bolster her popular vote tally in the solidly blue states of New York and California, beating Trump by 5 million votes in those two states but a said, that wasn't the race being run, she lost the race being run and now has only little boys like you to shrilly scream popular vote while Trump sits in the White House.  Now that pains people PPO, not losing race Trump didn't run but hey, I enjoy when the other side appears ignorant, shrill and childish and you are making this a pleasant thread for me so keep it up, I enjoy, very much, humiliating you.

You shouldn't be flattered PPO, the nickname is an insult to your stated role as an observer.  You are p*** poor at the job and making yourself look worse with every post. 

Yes you do but thanks for doubling down@!  :tu:

The only fact, here, that matters is Trump won the electoral vote decisively and he did it spending about half of what Hilary did. ;)

Oh I know you're not, that was satire.  The fact that I anger you so immensely gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling and I'll rip into you as much as you want because my side won the election and your side lost. 

BTW, being that you are a PPO, I'll remind you that the democrats didn't just lose the US presidential election, they lost the congressional election, both houses, and got clobbered down-ballot in the states in both the legislative races and governor races.   The fact that the democrats have lost 1200+ elected positions in the last 8 years, and are about to lose the Supreme Court for a generation, is what the real story is here, not that Trump beat Hillary in an ugly presidential election between two really bad candidates.  Your progressive philosophy has been totally rejected in the United States and all your side has left is taunting people about a popular vote that didn't matter.  :tu:

 

Well said.

Boom, there it is.

Those things did happen, and I know that asking anyone to improve themselves will get me attacked, but that's just human nature.

My concern in all of this is that the Democrats will drift further and further from Reality itself, and cease to be a viable alternative. Tyranny by EITHER party leads to the very same thing; a crew of fat dumb & happy Aristocrats leading the nation on a downhill slide into oblivion. 

 

If you are a Democrat, this Libertarian has a question for you; why is there not the slightest attempt by any of you to take a long, hard look at your own policies and platform to try and figure out where you went wrong with that, instead of all this focus on "messaging" and "image" ?

Consider the idea that the People did get the message, and didn't like it much.

For the first time in a century, the time might just be right for something new and original. 

 

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Just now, Sweetpumper said:

There are no ties. Notice the lack of any evidence, just the parroting back and forth in the fake news?

"Lack of evidence", his NSA has resigned because of it. Another one lied about meeting Russia. Jared Kushner sneaking Russians into Trump Tower during the election.

I pity your ignorance.

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1 minute ago, AnchorSteam said:

Well said.

Boom, there it is.

Those things did happen, and I know that asking anyone to improve themselves will get me attacked, but that's just human nature.

My concern in all of this is that the Democrats will drift further and further from Reality itself, and cease to be a viable alternative. Tyranny by EITHER party leads to the very same thing; a crew of fat dumb & happy Aristocrats leading the nation on a downhill slide into oblivion. 

 

If you are a Democrat, this Libertarian has a question for you; why is there not the slightest attempt by any of you to take a long, hard look at your own policies and platform to try and figure out where you went wrong with that, instead of all this focus on "messaging" and "image" ?

Consider the idea that the People did get the message, and didn't like it much.

For the first time in a century, the time might just be right for something new and original. 

 

Libertarian are you? So you voted for the guy who didn't even know where Aleppo was :lol: Your friend failed to mention Russia hacking, propaganda and FBI interference. Those also contributed to her loss, certainly the case can be made she took the "wall" for granted, she didn't think voters there could be so stupid.

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OverSword
33 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Why do we need representatives in a democracy? They are too easy manipulated and easily bribed.

We should just vote on laws and propositions. I really do not see the point of having representatives or political parties. These figure heads are so fake and all have ulterior motives.

We do not live in a democracy BBW, we live in a Republic.  In a democracy the majority rules, in a republic the individual is protected from the majority by law. 

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On 3/5/2017 at 1:52 AM, Captain Risky said:

throws around unverified allegations

You REALLY want to go there?  If the administration has to wait for months (years?) for any evidence to be put forward to buttress the damning accusations being trumpeted by the media 24/7, then I'd say the poor wee snowflakes need to develop a little patience as well.  Childish.

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1 minute ago, and then said:

You REALLY want to go there?  If the administration has to wait for months (years?) for any evidence to be put forward to buttress the damning accusations being trumpeted by the media 24/7, then I'd say the poor wee snowflakes need to develop a little patience as well.  Childish.

The biggest snowflake of them all is Trumpet. He can't even take a joke on SNL! Hahaha

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4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

We do not live in a democracy BBW, we live in a Republic.  In a democracy the majority rules, in a republic the individual is protected from the majority by law. 

"Protected from the majority" :lol: You seem like a warrior for the minority, why aren't you sticking up for your minority Muslim brothers and sisters?

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BlackBearWolf
Just now, OverSword said:

We do not live in a democracy BBW, we live in a Republic.  In a democracy the majority rules, in a republic the individual is protected from the majority by law. 

I agree we live in a representative republic. And law is the rule. Its the representatives I have a problem with.

I trust 75% of my neighbors

I trust 1% of politicians

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aztek
12 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

. Where would that leave the south though?

yea, south is not in its best shape. maybe we need to find how to create jobs there, than maybe, just maybe welfare thing will get sorted out easy. 

there are people that want to work, but none is around them, and those who do not want to, all they want is that check.

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aztek
7 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Because It takes power away from big business, lobbiest, the industrial military prison complex. They have a lot to lose.

in no reasonable scenario any of them will give up power. it would have to  be country wide armed revolt, that will destroy a country, a lot more than political system we have now.

 

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BlackBearWolf
1 minute ago, aztek said:

in no reasonable scenario any of them will give up power.

And thus we are stuck with lying politicians, secrets and obfuscations, and a divided nation. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

"Protected from the majority" :lol: You seem like a warrior for the minority, why aren't you sticking up for your minority Muslim brothers and sisters?

Unfortunately it's against the forum rules to call someone a troll or to cite the rules. B)

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2 hours ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

It must really pain you that "4 more years of Obama" is what America actually voted for.

So Putin "hacked" the U.S. elections (there are 50 individual versions btw) and caused Trump to be elected?  Yet HRC won the popular vote by a "huge" margin?  You really have to help me out here.  Those 50 elections were all managed by the individual states.  None that I'm aware of were completely online.  The great majority weren't even connected to the net.  You are making these claims so it's on you to offer a little proof, wouldn't you say?

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Just now, and then said:

So Putin "hacked" the U.S. elections (there are 50 individual versions btw) and caused Trump to be elected?  Yet HRC won the popular vote by a "huge" margin?  You really have to help me out here.  Those 50 elections were all managed by the individual states.  None that I'm aware of were completely online.  The great majority weren't even connected to the net.  You are making these claims so it's on you to offer a little proof, wouldn't you say?

Educate yourself. Another Trumpet who ignores the intelligence communities and what they say.

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2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Unfortunately it's against the forum rules to call someone a troll or to cite the rules. B)

I don't see Lilly doing much moderating in this thread. Be brave.

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aztek
3 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

And thus we are stuck with lying politicians, secrets and obfuscations, and a divided nation. 

 

 

yea, but the last one has nothing to do with politicians. 

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Merc14
19 minutes ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Poor Trumpet, The Donald has already ruled out going after Hillary.

Once again your poor observing skills have embarrassed you.  Trump, as president, wouldn't go after Hillary, the FBI and Dept. of Justice would and he most notably didn't say a word about those agencies.  There are currently five different FBI offices investigating Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

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Curious, how that bothers you but you have no interest in the Russian ties in Trump's cabinet.

Well, I have heard all the hysteria but every intelligence agency asked has said that after a thorough investigation that have found no evidence of collusion.  You have to read the whole article to get to that part so maybe a little stick-to-itiveness on your part next time.

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My education was most likely superior to yours,

Oh I rather doubt that based on the quality of your posts and the childishness of your arguments.

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after all you're the one who is one step away from advocating dictatorship in America, not me. Why bother with elections at all?  Let's put you in charge, you know what's best - no need for everyone else to have a say

You see, this is the childishness I mentioned above.  You sound like an 11 year old arguing with his mother.  What does this even mean?  :no: :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

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AnchorSteam
3 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

You see, this is the childishness I mentioned above.  You sound like an 11 year old arguing with his mother.  What does this even mean?  :no: :rolleyes:

 

From what I have seen in the last 24 hours, it means that any response to PISI is a mistake, period.

Or maybe he's just having a bad day.

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1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

Once again your poor observing skills have embarrassed you.  Trump wouldn't go after Hillary, the FBI and Dept. of Justice would and he most notably, didn't say a word about those agencies.  There are currently five different FBOI offices investigating Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

Well, I have heard all the hysteria but every intelligence agency asked has said that after a thorough investigation that have found no evidence of collusion.  You have to read the whole article to get to that part so maybe a little stick-to-itiveness on your part next time.

Oh I rather doubt that based on the quality of your posts and the childishness of your arguments.

You see, this is the childishness I mentioned above.  You sound like an 11 year old arguing with his mother.  What does this even mean?  :no: :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

Uh, Donald said he was personally going to assign a special prosecutor, that never happened. 

"I don't want to hurt them, they're good people."

As far as the FBI and Hillary goes:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/fbi-director-hillary-clinton-email-investigation-criminal-james-comey

Russian collusion: do I even need links? Have you missed Sessions lying to congress about meeting Russians and the NSA stepping down because he had secret meetings too?

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