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Pop It and Shove It
1 minute ago, AnchorSteam said:

From what I have seen in the last 24 hours, it means that any response to PISI is a mistake, period.

Or maybe he's just having a bad day.

Maybe get a better argument? They've been pretty p*** poor so far.

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BlackBearWolf

I just wanted to say that I have lived in California all my life and have never felt i have had a voice in any election.

Because it is a electoral college system and electoral points are not divided upon vote percentage (winner takes all here) and it is late in the election day and projections are already clear. 

A system that makes my vote feel futile is not a good one.

I would also like to add that my whole life I have been told that voting for a third party is a throw away vote. It is implied i must fall inline with the lesser of two evils. Why must i choose evil?

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aztek
28 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Oh so as long as the electors weren't influenced by a foreign superpower's attempts to influence the election - apparently in collusion with one of the candidates - none of it matters .........OK 

you got it right, as long as electors were not influenced, which would mean elections themselves were not influenced either, noting else matters.

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ellapenella

 Why did Obama in his last days in  office kick out  35 Russian operatives he claimed to be bad but  kept the  Russian ambassador Kislyak in ,  the guy that he is claiming is bad? if he was so bad why did Obama keep him around?

 

 

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Just now, BlackBearWolf said:

I just wanted to say that I have lived in California all my life and have never felt i have had a voice in any election.

Because it is a electoral college system and electoral points are not divided upon vote percentage (winner takes all here) and it is late in the election day and projections are already clear. 

A system that makes my vote feel futile is not a good one.

I would also like to add that my whole life I have been told that voting for a third party is a throw away vote. It is implied i must fall inline with the lesser of two evils. Why must i choose evil?

to be fair electoral college is only involved when presidential elections happen, local election are decided by popular vote, so you do have a vote, on state matters,

you were told right, during presidential election, third party votes are throw away votes. actually any vote is irrelevant during those times. third party or first one. unless you are elector.

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ellapenella

The thing about this is now, Obama is subject of  investigation now, you know how he & the Clinton's are not fans of  the law,  I don't think he counted on things going this way because it's  happening he's getting investigated.

 

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AnchorSteam
2 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I just wanted to say that I have lived in California all my life and have never felt i have had a voice in any election.

Because it is a electoral college system and electoral points are not divided upon vote percentage (winner takes all here) and it is late in the election day and projections are already clear. 

A system that makes my vote feel futile is not a good one.

THe Electoral College system is there to limit the effects of corruption, practically all of Hillary's advantage in the popular vote came from just two states, and Cali is one of them. 

Would you want the Dead of Chicago deciding the election for you?

 

2 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I would also like to add that my whole life I have been told that voting for a third party is a throw away vote. It is implied i must fall inline with the lesser of two evils. Why must i choose evil?

You must NOT do that.

Years ago, I was tempted to vote for a guy named Perot .... I took that as a sign that I was losing it so I didn't vote at all that year. :P

 

However, the 3rd Party will always remain a long shot, until people ignore the propaganda, act like they have a pair and VOTE THIER CONSCIENCE. 

You know, like 40% did in 1860.

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Merc14
18 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Well said.

Boom, there it is.

Those things did happen, and I know that asking anyone to improve themselves will get me attacked, but that's just human nature.

My concern in all of this is that the Democrats will drift further and further from Reality itself, and cease to be a viable alternative. Tyranny by EITHER party leads to the very same thing; a crew of fat dumb & happy Aristocrats leading the nation on a downhill slide into oblivion. 

 

If you are a Democrat, this Libertarian has a question for you; why is there not the slightest attempt by any of you to take a long, hard look at your own policies and platform to try and figure out where you went wrong with that, instead of all this focus on "messaging" and "image" ?

Consider the idea that the People did get the message, and didn't like it much.

For the first time in a century, the time might just be right for something new and original. 

 

I'm probably a lot older than you and so remember the Reagan years vividly and the democrats did the same thing back then, they veered wildly left and went off the rails emotionally for a few years until the ruling class retired or were voted out and then a more "moderate element, "Bill Clinton" moved in and took over a devastated democrat party.  Simultaneously the republicans convinced themselves that Reagan wasn't real and their failed policies prior to him were what is best and so we got Bush the first and were subsequently kicked to the curb for a decade.  Swings back and forth constantly.

Granted, this current rejection of the democrats is, arguably, the largest in a century so I may be wrong but I see a lot of the old guard in the DNC dying out but have no idea who will replace them as their state and local benches have been annihilated!  Even more worrisome is that the places the democrats hold power are radically left wing and likely to stay that way so maybe you are spot on and we will see something new here.  Trump isn't really a republican so possibly his middle of the road politics will be the start of a third party made up of the Reagan democrats and centrist republicans and sitting squarely in the middle where most independents live.   

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BlackBearWolf
9 minutes ago, aztek said:

yea, but the last one has nothing to do with politicians. 

I am not so sure. 

I assume you believe a culture war would happen without the rhetoric of of both parties. 

But i believe its a false narrative.

Americans are really not different at all. we all basically want and do the same thing every day.

Eat, sleep, poop.

It is so simple. do not do harm to others.  

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AnchorSteam
4 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

I'm probably a lot older than you and so remember the Reagan years vividly and the democrats did the same thing back then, they veered wildly left and went off the rails emotionally for a few years until the ruling class retired or were voted out and then a more "moderate element, "Bill Clinton" moved in and took over a devastated democrat party.  Simultaneously the republicans convinced themselves that Reagan wasn't real and their failed policies prior to him were what is best and so we got Bush the first and were subsequently kicked to the curb for a decade.  Swings back and forth constantly.

Granted, this current rejection of the democrats is, arguably, the largest in a century so I may be wrong but I see a lot of the old guard in the DNC dying out but have no idea who will replace them as their state and local benches have been annihilated!  Even more worrisome is that the places the democrats hold power are radically left wing and likely to stay that way so maybe you are spot on and we will see something new here.  Trump isn't really a republican so possibly his middle of the road politics will be the start of a third party made up of the Reagan democrats and centrist republicans and sitting squarely in the middle where most independents live.   

That would be a wonderful thing.

Hell yeah, I would LOVE to see that!

But.... would they have to set up a 3rd set of bathrooms on Capitol Hill? 

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BlackBearWolf
11 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

THe Electoral College system is there to limit the effects of corruption, practically all of Hillary's advantage in the popular vote came from just two states, and Cali is one of them. 

Would you want the Dead of Chicago deciding the election for you?

 

You must NOT do that.

Years ago, I was tempted to vote for a guy named Perot .... I took that as a sign that I was losing it so I didn't vote at all that year. :P

 

However, the 3rd Party will always remain a long shot, until people ignore the propaganda, act like they have a pair and VOTE THIER CONSCIENCE. 

You know, like 40% did in 1860.

I get its purpose but all it does is imply that we are so different that our votes should be not counted the same. Just because i live in california I feel like am no different than friends i have from arkansa we all get along great and love each other. But the system implies we are different levels of people and have different needs. I can not see what those needs are that are so different. I feel like a human American. Not a California electoral point. 

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40 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

When has anyone claimed the voting machine were hacked? You are the only one making that claim...

The claim is they influenced the election by releasing private e-mails of Hillary's campaign manager

The fact they did not hack trumps emails (They probably did) and release them as well shows a preferred candidate they wanted to win.....

 

They are meddling and creating narrative. (All politicians, governments, and news agencies do this) Propaganda!

 anyone fool can recognize this

 

The real problem is with the language - which was chosen specifically to plant a false narrative in the minds of the lazy, low-info types.

HACK - 

use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"

No proof of who hacked Podesta's email has ever been presented.  NONE.  It has only been reported.  My guess is that it's probably a Russian paid by the government there to stir crap in our election.  Considering HRC's obvious, spoken desire to come down hard on Russia, it's no surprise they'd want the "other guy".  So the great sin here is that a source with juicy, embarrassing info was dumping it like raw meat to the media and that the impact of that propaganda harmed HRC, right?  But for the other 18 months or so of the process, when DJT was being vilified, laughed at, and generally scorned and dismissed by EVERY major news outlet and on social media, that isn't supposed to matter, right?  It still hasn't made it into the consciousness of the progs that it was this very avalanche of hate and disrespect that got the man elected.  We'll see dire predictions and polls for the next two years but the proof will be seen the day after the mid-term election.  My prediction is that the Dems will lose at least 8 more Senate seats.  When that happens there will be absolutely NO COVER left for the Republicans who hate Trump.  They'll then have to get on board or be exposed for the globalist shills they've become.  I PRAY that if Trump gets booted from office under circumstances that are not legal or proper, he will go into campaign mode and rally his base to push a Convention of States.  With all the obstructionism and blatant hypocrisy the people are witnessing, it might just have a chance of starting the fire we need to BURN THE SWAMP DOWN!  Term limits, serious curtailment of lobbying, extremely serious prison sentences for corruption and amendments to the laws concerning bureaucrats in government.  Anyone in the Federal bureaucracy that is found leaking is fired, all pension lost and a prison sentence if the leak is of classified material.  IOW, real, serious reform of the government.  It will fail, almost certainly, but at least an attempt will have been made prior to hostilities breaking out.

 

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Farmer77
13 minutes ago, aztek said:

you got it right, as long as electors were not influenced, which would mean elections themselves were not influenced either, noting else matters.

Precious :lol: Just precious 

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ellapenella

 Someone must of all either missed the memo or just didn't get it  when Trump said  he knows how the game is played & that no one can beat him at it because of it & that he's the best at it , this  is just going to drain the swamp , 

 

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AnchorSteam
2 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I get its purpose but all it does is imply that we are so different that our votes should be not counted the same. Just because i live in california I feel like am no different than friends i have from arkansa we all get along great and each other. But the system implies we are different levels of people and have different needs. I can not see what those needs are that are so different. I feel like a human American. Not a California electoral point. 

Oh, I get it.

Well, the only states where there is a real chance of the individual having a serious effect are called "Swing States" or "Battlegrounds" .... and during an election cycle they get hammered 24/7 with political ads and phone calls and all kinds of other crap.

Take the good with the bad, I live in a blue state too but that's only because of Portland. The rest of Ory-gun (not Ora-gone, it didn't go anywhere!) is pretty mellow and we can have political talks w/o getting all hysterical.

.... this place, on the other hand, is tarting to trip me out. 

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Farmer77
4 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

 Someone must of all either missed the memo or just didn't get it  when Trump said  he knows how the game is played & that no one can beat him at it because of it & that he's the best at it , this  is just going to drain the swamp , 

 

Part of what p***es me off the most about Trump is watching him take advantage of good hearted people such as yourself ella. Please start pating attention to what the man is actually doing instead of what he is saying. 

Donald Trump hires three lobbyists as top White House staffers despite pledge to 'drain the swamp' 

Donald Trump has hired three former lobbyists to work in the highest echelons of the White House despite his campaign pledge to "drain the swamp" of Washington DC.

Credit @Likely Guy for sourcing the story on another thread. 

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ellapenella
22 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I get its purpose but all it does is imply that we are so different that our votes should be not counted the same. Just because i live in california I feel like am no different than friends i have from arkansa we all get along great and love each other. But the system implies we are different levels of people and have different needs. I can not see what those needs are that are so different. I feel like a human American. Not a California electoral point. 

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4 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Part of what p***es me off the most about Trump is watching him take advantage of good hearted people such as yourself ella. Please start pating attention to what the man is actually doing instead of what he is saying. 

Donald Trump hires three lobbyists as top White House staffers despite pledge to 'drain the swamp' 

Donald Trump has hired three former lobbyists to work in the highest echelons of the White House despite his campaign pledge to "drain the swamp" of Washington DC.

Credit @Likely Guy for sourcing the story on another thread. 

I'm good. We're all good on the Trump side. It's your side that's the worst of all.

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1 minute ago, Ellapennella said:

I'm good. We're all good on the Trump side. It's your side that's the worst of all.

So you're Ok with trump hiring lobbyists despite his pledge to drain the swamp?

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Merc14
50 minutes ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Uh, Donald said he was personally going to assign a special prosecutor, that never happened. 

"I don't want to hurt them, they're good people."

As far as the FBI and Hillary goes:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/fbi-director-hillary-clinton-email-investigation-criminal-james-comey

I never once mentioned the Clinton email scandal, in fact I haven't brought it up in weeks because, right or wrong, it is a dead issue.    You truly are incapable of following a conversation much less observing an election and comprehending what is going on aren't you because I specifically mentioned her public corruption via The Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State.  That is the case that five FBI offices (LA, Little Rock, Miami, NY and DC) are currently investigating.   http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/30/now-five-fbi-field-offices-are-probing-clinton-charity-adding-fuel-to-the-fire/

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Russian collusion: do I even need links? Have you missed Sessions lying to congress about meeting Russians and the NSA stepping down because he had secret meetings too?

I saw a very poorly worded question from a remarkably stupid senator being answered in an honest way by Sessions.   I am also quite sure you didn't see the question and answer and are simply aping whatever leftist source you subscribe to. 

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ellapenella
Just now, Farmer77 said:

So you're Ok with trump hiring lobbyists despite his pledge to drain the swamp?

 What's this topic about? You want to talk about that, this isn't the thread. Stay on topic.

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Farmer77
Just now, Ellapennella said:

 What's this topic about? You want to talk about that, this isn't the thread. Stay on topic.

At its core the topic is about Trump's credibility. I would say the link I posted and the topic we are discussing go hand in hand. 

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ellapenella
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

At its core the topic is about Trump's credibility. I would say the link I posted and the topic we are discussing go hand in hand. 

 

not suggesting I can't float to different subjects and back to the topic again, I can but its not a matter of pointing at President Trump when President Trump is pretty much begging for Obama to be investigated & himself too.

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ellapenella

President Trump has nothing to hide, Obama does.

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toast
2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

President Trump has nothing to hide

Follow up in 6 month. Or so.

 

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