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11 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

...that's not a reasonable or fair argument. Trump has lost two members of his cabinet for lying under oath about connections to Russian officials already and we have no idea how many more will also be forced from office in the months to come. It was the media that exposed this. You're just mad that they made Trump and his administration look bad. They deserved it. There is nothing undemocratic about that.  

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Who was the second one?  Where is your proof?

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7 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said:

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http://lidblog.com/same-ny-times-reporter/

On January 19th and 20th 2017, The NY Times reported that wiretaps of people on the Trump team were passed along to the Obama White House, one of the story’s authors was Michael S. Schmidt. On Saturday that same Michael S. Schmidt was one of the reporters who wrote the story, “Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones.” That’s right, the same NY Times reporter who was one of the sources for the President’s claim, said that there was no evidence for the claim.

The first story by Mr. Schmidt appeared on the NY Times website the evening of January 19, 2017 and appeared on the front page of the paper the morning of Inauguration Day, January 20, 2017:

Trump's "team" were subjected to taps looking for crimes.  When none were found, the DoJ made the issue on of national security and the FISA court judge issued a warrant for wiretapping.  You can spin that any way you like but the bottom line is that a sitting US president asked for and received permission to wiretap a presidential candidate from the opposition.  Obama's DoJ does NOTHING without his approval.  This may seem funny to you folks across the pond but when real violence breaks out in this country, you're apt to be paying a lot more for everything.  Global markets get jittery when the Fed chair breaks wind without advanced warning.  Imagine the effect of civil unrest and bloodshed in multiple US cities over the perceived lawlessness of this coup attempt.  All it will take is an exchange of gunfire at a protest and then it will be ON.

 

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38 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Rachael Maddow burned Trump's little hands tonight.

He is going to be impeached or resign.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

 

 

He may be impeached and removed but if it happens it won't be due to a bad business deal.  And it won't be cost free for Republicans.  It can't happen unless they betray him.  Frankly, most of them haven't shown the guts for such a brave move.  Maddow is a real hater of the first order.  Maybe it's her penis envy that makes her so nasty.

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Frank Merton
1 minute ago, and then said:

He may be impeached and removed but if it happens it won't be due to a bad business deal.  And it won't be cost free for Republicans.  It can't happen unless they betray him.  Frankly, most of them haven't shown the guts for such a brave move.  Maddow is a real hater of the first order.  Maybe it's her penis envy that makes her so nasty.

I don't see an impeachment, nor an offense that calls for it.  If this were a Parliamentary system, a no-confidence vote would be called for, but an impeachment requires more serious stuff -- like treason.  The Constitution here is vague ("high crimes and misdemeanors") but it is obvious they aren't referring to stupid mistakes but much more serious things.  I think Trump is a disaster as a President and as a person, but with things as they are I would oppose impeachment on Constitutional grounds.

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13 hours ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Educate yourself. Another Trumpet who ignores the intelligence communities and what they say.

I figured as much.  Just another punk, talking ****.  Carry on.

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alibongo
8 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

In other words, you're not willing to give him a chance before you declare his month-long presidency the worst. Nice!

Well, it is the worst, isn't it.

The best you can say about Mr Trumps presidency so far is that it has supplied a rich vein of comedy to the rest of the world.

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Farmer77
12 hours ago, F3SS said:

 

Sorry don't know them and I know there's some decent stuff out there but I don't think there's anything out there today that's going to be widely recognized and getting airplay in 30-40-50 years if even 20. Maybe that's the bias of my age but I really think I'm right.

Oh you totally are right. Nothing will ever touch the music from the anti war movement of the 60's and 70's ..........cept Zeppelin! 

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Captain Risky
3 hours ago, and then said:

Who was the second one?  Where is your proof?

Sessions is all but expired. Nor has it escaped my notice that Trump is fighting back with baseless allegations to protect even more of his cronies. Kushner is the prize that the democrat's covert for obvious reasons.  

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2 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I don't see an impeachment, nor an offense that calls for it.  If this were a Parliamentary system, a no-confidence vote would be called for, but an impeachment requires more serious stuff -- like treason.  The Constitution here is vague ("high crimes and misdemeanors") but it is obvious they aren't referring to stupid mistakes but much more serious things.  I think Trump is a disaster as a President and as a person, but with things as they are I would oppose impeachment on Constitutional grounds.

Trump has a chance to rectify his mistakes but the window of opportunity is fast closing. He could start by tossing his phone and twitter into the Potomac. 

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Captain Risky
11 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

What is wrong with you people? You and I agree on how this should be handled. Yet, you have this weird need to be argumentative. In one of my posts, I even say that Pence should replace Trump if the charge is bogus, but you reality-impaired leftists will ignore that too.

If i come across as argumentative then it isn't by design. I agree, Pence would make a more acceptable president and certainly one with less baggage. Just a shame that Trump is his own worse enemy. I like the fact that he has great idea's and that he proposed an alternative direction than the current fake political custodians. But he's acting like a goose. That's dangerous. He has to go.   

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5 hours ago, and then said:

http://lidblog.com/same-ny-times-reporter/

On January 19th and 20th 2017, The NY Times reported that wiretaps of people on the Trump team were passed along to the Obama White House, one of the story’s authors was Michael S. Schmidt. On Saturday that same Michael S. Schmidt was one of the reporters who wrote the story, “Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones.” That’s right, the same NY Times reporter who was one of the sources for the President’s claim, said that there was no evidence for the claim.

The first story by Mr. Schmidt appeared on the NY Times website the evening of January 19, 2017 and appeared on the front page of the paper the morning of Inauguration Day, January 20, 2017:

Trump's "team" were subjected to taps looking for crimes.  When none were found, the DoJ made the issue on of national security and the FISA court judge issued a warrant for wiretapping.  You can spin that any way you like but the bottom line is that a sitting US president asked for and received permission to wiretap a presidential candidate from the opposition.  Obama's DoJ does NOTHING without his approval.  This may seem funny to you folks across the pond but when real violence breaks out in this country, you're apt to be paying a lot more for everything.  Global markets get jittery when the Fed chair breaks wind without advanced warning.  Imagine the effect of civil unrest and bloodshed in multiple US cities over the perceived lawlessness of this coup attempt.  All it will take is an exchange of gunfire at a protest and then it will be ON.

 

 

 

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Lilly

I also found what Homeland Security Sec John Kelly had to say about all this: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/322615-dhs-head-trump-has-convincing-wiretap-proof

“If the president of the United States said that, he’s got his reasons to say it,” Kelly said Monday on CNN’s “The Situation Room." "[Trump’s] got some convincing evidence that that took place.”

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Merc14
16 hours ago, Derek Willis said:

I am asking this as a non-American, but is anyone really leaking anything? Or is the media and others just pretending there are leaks to make up stories and attempt to discredit people?

Derek, the leak is that people inside the intelligence community with access to classified wiretaps are leaking the fact that those wiretaps overheard an American citizens communications with a Russian politician.   This is against the law as that info, acquired over a FISA approved wiretap, is in fact classified and should never be disseminated to the public.  Also, the identity of any American in conversation on that FISA approved wiretap should not be disclosed as it is illegal for the intelligence community to wiretap US citizens, that is the FBI's job with a wiretap secured through the American legal system.   The Person should only be referred to as an American and the case, if espionage is involved, turned over to the FBI for further investigation.   

Basically what we have here is someone or some group inside our foreign intelligence gathering community has unilaterally taken it upon themselves to use information acquired over a highly classified intelligence gathering network to damage a politician or political party.   This is a first in my experience and it goes directly against the espionage act and is incredibly dangerous because it allows a political party to utilize the power of the American intelligence gathering agencies to attack their political rivals. 

Andrew McCarthy has a good article on this subject at NRO  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445522/russian-election-hacking-fbi-not-investigating-trump-campaign?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily Trending Email Reoccurring- Monday to Thursday 2017-03-06&utm_term=NR5PM Actives

where he makes the point that suddenly the hacked the election gibberish has disappeared from the headlines. 

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RavenHawk

This vitriol is enough to make anyone crazy but as usual, there is always something that comes along to balance it out.  These two clips are them.  Something to bring a clear voice to the issue.  I refer to perhaps the best journalism we’ve seen in a long time and it comes from the entertainment sector.  We elected Trump to drain the swamp.  I suppose that my beloved Military Industrial Complex is the place to start.  Mind you that the vast majority of the MIC are hardworking, dedicated, loyal, patriots.  For years, people have been so paranoid of this mythical unwarranted influence that the MIC could wield over the government.  It never has materialized.  How little did we know that it would end up being the other way around?  Like all machines, if you give it faulty programming, it will act erratically.  I believe that this explains Comey’s actions.  Here is a dedicated, loyal servant and he is fed corrupt programming.  The same thing happened to the Banking sector 10 years ago when Frank-Dodd was introduced.  And then there is Clapper.  You can tell he’s CYA.  You notice that in his interview he only mentions about 4 (of the 17) agencies when he uses Plausible Deniability to say that he is not aware of a FISA request. 

 

Because of EO 12333, which was issued just weeks before the end of Obama’s Presidency, the way intel is disseminated was changed.  Before, raw data would be given to the NSA and they would disseminate the info to where they thought it should go.  It would be date-time stamped as to when and from who.  Now, raw data is available to any of the 17 agencies and no one can be sure the source.  So a wiretap could have been performed by any of the other 13 that Clapper never mentioned and it gets dropped into the pipeline to all.  This is going to be one of those follow-the-paper-trail exercises.  Just need to find which of the other 13 agencies the Washington Post/New York TImes had an inside contact with?  Then heads will roll.  So for those of you dis’n Trump, enjoy your fun for the moment you will soon be experiencing gnashing of teeth.  The underlying question still remains, where did the leak come from (of which we still do not know the content – just metadata (another clue)).  ETA: Where was Flynn when he was tapped?  Pick your poison, there are felonies any way you slice it.  Trump called your bluff and now the MSM doesn’t know what it’s doing.  Trump will have enough to not only hang Hilary on her corruption but also Obama and his apparatus which includes the MSM.  I wonder how many ignorant replies this is going to get and they won’t even view these two clips completely??

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

This vitriol is enough to make anyone crazy but as usual, there is always something that comes along to balance it out.  These two clips are them.  Something to bring a clear voice to the issue.  I refer to perhaps the best journalism we’ve seen in a long time and it comes from the entertainment sector.  We elected Trump to drain the swamp.  I suppose that my beloved Military Industrial Complex is the place to start.  Mind you that the vast majority of the MIC are hardworking, dedicated, loyal, patriots.  For years, people have been so paranoid of this mythical unwarranted influence that the MIC could wield over the government.  It never has materialized.  How little did we know that it would end up being the other way around?  Like all machines, if you give it faulty programming, it will act erratically.  I believe that this explains Comey’s actions.  Here is a dedicated, loyal servant and he is fed corrupt programming.  The same thing happened to the Banking sector 10 years ago when Frank-Dodd was introduced.  And then there is Clapper.  You can tell he’s CYA.  You notice that in his interview he only mentions about 4 (of the 17) agencies when he uses Plausible Deniability to say that he is not aware of a FISA request. 

 

 

 

Because of EO 12333, which was issued just weeks before the end of Obama’s Presidency, the way intel is disseminated was changed.  Before, raw data would be given to the NSA and they would disseminate the info to where they thought it should go.  It would be date-time stamped as to when and from who.  Now, raw data is available to any of the 17 agencies and no one can be sure the source.  So a wiretap could have been performed by any of the other 13 that Clapper never mentioned and it gets dropped into the pipeline to all.  This is going to be one of those follow-the-paper-trail exercises.  Just need to find which of the other 13 agencies the Washington Post/New York TImes had an inside contact with?  Then heads will roll.  So for those of you dis’n Trump, enjoy your fun for the moment you will soon be experiencing gnashing of teeth.  The underlying question still remains, where did the leak come from (of which we still do not know the content – just metadata (another clue)).  ETA: Where was Flynn when he was tapped?  Pick your poison, there are felonies any way you slice it.  Trump called your bluff and now the MSM doesn’t know what it’s doing.  Trump will have enough to not only hang Hilary on her corruption but also Obama and his apparatus which includes the MSM.  I wonder how many ignorant replies this is going to get and they won’t even view these two clips completely??

 

 

 

 

 

Im trying to follow along here.

Just a few questions?

Is the claim now that Obama was illegally wiretapping Trump without Fisa warrants? And the Intelligence agencies are covering for him?

Did the Intelligence agencies have probable cause for surveillance on Trump campaign? Or is the arguement that they didnt have any cause?

Why did manafort and Flynn resign?

Why are comey and clapper saying Obama didnt order anything?

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RavenHawk
4 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Im trying to follow along here.

Just a few questions?

Is the claim now that Obama was illegally wiretapping Trump without Fisa warrants? And the Intelligence agencies are covering for him?

Did the Intelligence agencies have probable cause for surveillance on Trump campaign? Or is the arguement that they didnt have any cause?

Why did manafort and Flynn resign?

Why are comey and clapper saying Obama didnt order anything?

All very good questions.  I think you are following well enough.  Congress needs and will get to the bottom of this.  But given the nature and character of both Administrations, the important answers will be readily available.  Are a lot of people going to get burned?  Yes and it will hurt this nation severely but sometimes to cut out the cancer requires cutting some good tissue.

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BlackBearWolf
9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

All very good questions.  I think you are following well enough.  Congress needs and will get to the bottom of this.  But given the nature and character of both Administrations, the important answers will be readily available.  Are a lot of people going to get burned?  Yes and it will hurt this nation severely but sometimes to cut out the cancer requires cutting some good tissue.

 

Then both parties should be demanding a independent investigation into getting to the bottom of everything. But it seems as if Trumps campaign is resisting this for whatever reason,  but it doesnt make them look good with all the resigning and recusing and claiming no invesgation needed because "nothing happened". 

 Lets demand investigations unilaterally so we can clear the presidents name and he can get back to work or find out he is corrupt and needs to go. And if Obama or Hillary are implicated then they need to do time as well. Its time for accountability!  No more politicians getting away with this crap!

 

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Farmer77
18 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Then both parties should be demanding a independent investigation into getting to the bottom of everything. But it seems as if Trumps campaign is resisting this for whatever reason,  but it doesnt make them look good with all the resigning and recusing and claiming no invesgation needed because "nothing happened". 

 Lets demand investigations unilaterally so we can clear the presidents name and he can get back to work or find out he is corrupt and needs to go. And if Obama or Hillary are implicated then they need to do time as well. Its time for accountability!  No more politicians getting away with this crap!

 

A voice of reason! 

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RavenHawk
34 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Then both parties should be demanding a independent investigation into getting to the bottom of everything. But it seems as if Trumps campaign is resisting this for whatever reason,  but it doesnt make them look good with all the resigning and recusing and claiming no invesgation needed because "nothing happened".

Well, both should be but I think only the GOP is calling for a full investigation.  The Left is pivoting.  They don’t want a full investigation.  They only want to investigate what will make Trump look bad. 

 

What campaign?  Trump won, he *IS* President.  And I think Trump is calling for it or why would he have stated his claim?  The key question for Trump I think, is “Where was Flynn when he was being tapped?”

 

“ALL” this resigning and recusing??  WTF?  You mentioned Manafort?  He has nothing to do with this Administration.  He resigned long before Trump was elected President and I think it was because he had business dealings with Ukraine, not Russia.  Don't you think that people resign all the time because it just isn't working out for them?  That's no indication of a federal case.

 

Flynn disrespected the VP plus, I think that the Trump Administration wanted so much to be above appearance of corruption, Flynn fell on his sword but they didn’t know how veracious the Left was going to be about going after other cabinet members.  I think that Flynn was just the one freebie for the Left.  Sessions recuses himself because he is involved in the accusation.  That is what he is supposed to do.  This is not the Holder/Lynch DOJ.  Besides, if you want to cover your trail in the bureaucracy, going after the NSA director and Attorney General would be who you would target.  Resigning and recusing for an intelligent person doesn’t mean anything on its own.  That just gives the feebleminded a carnival show.

 

Oh, plenty is happening and the Left is pivoting but they’ve crawled up on the stove and all their weight is on their hands and Trump just turned on the heat.  Now it looks like Assange is piling on.  I don’t think Assange is trying to help Trump but it gives him a great segue for his leaks.  This isn’t done and it’s going to be a hot summer for the Left.  And I think some Republican Establishment types are going to get singed as well.  The paper trail is going to be too great.

 

 Lets demand investigations unilaterally so we can clear the presidents name and he can get back to work or find out he is corrupt and needs to go. And if Obama or Hillary are implicated then they need to do time as well. Its time for accountability!  No more politicians getting away with this crap!

We don’t have to demand anything.  There are at least two investigations going on.  One in the House and the other in the Senate.  Gowdy is leading the House one and He’s going to be a bulldog.  He’ll get to the bottom of things.  But you’ll see the Left fight him at every step.  But this is how you begin to drain the swamp.  Anyway, you seem hooked on the wrong talking points.  The accused is usually presumed innocent and this isn’t a kangaroo court.  We’ll know the facts soon enough.

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Farmer77
4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

  The accused is usually presumed innocent and this isn’t a kangaroo court.  We’ll know the facts soon enough.

Just to highlight the inanity of all of this , who exactly are we presuming is innocent ? Trump or the person he publicly accused of illegally wiretapping him? 

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RavenHawk
Just now, Farmer77 said:

Just to highlight the inanity of all of this , who exactly are we presuming is innocent ? Trump or the person he publicly accused of illegally wiretapping him? 

In this situation, I’ll settle for both.  Let’s follow the money and find out.  But I do admit that after Trump called the bluff of the Left with his accusation appears to have caused the Left to reel.  And now their hand has been caught in the cookie jar.  The Left are already trying to determine a fall guy.  I think they’ll give up the one that did the original illegal wiretap and leaked it because he is obviously so far down in the chain, he can’t implicate those at the top.  I’ve got my popcorn ready.  In the meantime, Obamacare will be replaced, a travel ban will be established, a wall will be built, tax code will be updated, and jobs will come back.

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1 hour ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Im trying to follow along here.

Just a few questions?

Is the claim now that Obama was illegally wiretapping Trump without Fisa warrants? And the Intelligence agencies are covering for him?

Did the Intelligence agencies have probable cause for surveillance on Trump campaign? Or is the arguement that they didnt have any cause?

Why did manafort and Flynn resign?

Why are comey and clapper saying Obama didnt order anything?

Because Obama is no fool and he didn't order it.....directly?  Because underlings whose jobs were on the line took a hint or took it on themselves to do it? Don't forget this administration's history of over-reaching in intelligence gathering. Finding a smoking gun would have made how it was found, incidental.

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2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

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RavenHawk
3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

 

Yes, that was clear in the first version - if you were curious.

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