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Trump Tower Wiretapped?

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F3SS

Geez oh man I feel seriously stupid. I was in full on politics mode looking for context for PP's question considering my post he quoted when he asked that question. Nonetheless I'm a dingbat. In my defense I don't see any of that stuff next to our names or our signatures. I hit a setting once and it all vanished and I've never found it again.

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Lilly
23 minutes ago, F3SS said:

 Nonetheless I'm a dingbat....

No, no you're not a dingbat. You are the father of almost 1 year old twins. If a parent can't be slightly confused having dealt with the first year of 2 babies...basically, you get a free pass!

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F3SS

Thanks Lilly! I was being too humble.

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BlackBearWolf

Apparently the republican chairman of the Intelligence committee that is in charge of investigating the wire taps said "We need to learn to not take what Donald Trump says seriously"......he also mentions that there is no evidence Obama was involved .

But that is really sad and scary if we cant take what our POTUS says seriously. Does that mean what he says is a joke?  How do we know the difference.  Because none of it is funny...Because 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-intel-hold-first-russia-hearing-later-month-225853593--politics.html

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Hammerclaw
37 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Apparently the republican chairman of the Intelligence committee that is in charge of investigating the wire taps said "We need to learn to not take what Donald Trump says seriously"......he also mentions that there is no evidence Obama was involved .

But that is really sad and scary if we cant take what our POTUS says seriously. Does that mean what he says is a joke?  How do we know the difference.  Because none of it is funny...Because 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-intel-hold-first-russia-hearing-later-month-225853593--politics.html

Yeah, Presidents say many curious things, such as about red lines in the sand and then scuff them out and lie to the whole world, disingenuously. It's a sad state of affairs.

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On 3/6/2017 at 10:19 PM, Claire. said:

GOP refuses to back Trump's wiretap claim.
Several Republican senators said the president again stepped on his messaging with an unfounded accusation.

 

 

 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

This article mentions several intelligence and criminal agencies that are investigating Trump's people and at least insinuating they are part of his campaign at the time.  Former DNI J. Clapper stated that he knew of no FISA court warrants and that had the FBI requested one, he WOULD know "he hoped".

From the article above: One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.  You'll note the date of the article.  That would be OBAMA'S White House being mentioned.  For months, the media have been citing unnamed sources that assured us that several investigations are ongoing and have cited wiretapped info.  So which is it?  The hell raising and mockery they all enjoined against Mark Levin is based on stories he cited from the NYT, primarily.  So if Trump is being investigated by all these alphabet agencies and wiretaps are being used.... why is it unfounded for him to say so?

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BlackBearWolf
2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, Presidents say many curious things, such as about red lines in the sand and then scuff them out and lie to the whole world, disingenuously. It's a sad state of affairs.

Seems as if your blame shifting to Obama in other even older things..... Is this the right thread to talk about the Syrian war? (Which we have no business being invovled in my opinion)

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Hammerclaw
3 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Seems as if your blame shifting to Obama in other even older things..... Is this the right thread to talk about the Syrian war? (Which we have no business being invovled in my opinion)

No, just a reminder how often every President puts their foot in their mouth. Anyways, the left might as well get use to hearing "Obama did it." They're going to hear it, a lot.

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BlackBearWolf
7 minutes ago, and then said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

This article mentions several intelligence and criminal agencies that are investigating Trump's people and at least insinuating they are part of his campaign at the time.  Former DNI J. Clapper stated that he knew of no FISA court warrants and that had the FBI requested one, he WOULD know "he hoped".

From the article above: One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.  You'll note the date of the article.  That would be OBAMA'S White House being mentioned.  For months, the media have been citing unnamed sources that assured us that several investigations are ongoing and have cited wiretapped info.  So which is it?  The hell raising and mockery they all enjoined against Mark Levin is based on stories he cited from the NYT, primarily.  So if Trump is being investigated by all these alphabet agencies and wiretaps are being used.... why is it unfounded for him to say so?

I read something saying its one of two things.  

1. In order to keep transcripts of US citizens phone calls. The Fisa court must conclude there is evidence of wrong doing. Otherwise the evidence must  be destroyed. 

2. If the recordings are directed at a foriegn agent they can keep the transcripts even if foriegn agent is talking to a U.S. citizen not under surveillance 

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BlackBearWolf
4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No, just a reminder how often every President puts their foot in their mouth. Anyways, the left might as well get use to hearing "Obama did it." They're going to hear it, a lot.

Hmm this reeks of excusing belegerant behavior.  I dont see how letting bad behaviour of politicians is ok in any sense....

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Hammerclaw
3 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Hmm this reeks of excusing belegerant behavior.  I dont see how letting bad behaviour of politicians is ok in any sense....

Well, at least he hasn't called tens of millions of people "a basket of deplorables". Now that was belligerent, divisive and offensive. 

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BlackBearWolf
Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Well, at least he hasn't called tens of millions of people "a basket of deplorables". Now that was belligerent, divisive and offensive. 

I can i agree that resorting to name calling is juvenile..... but i can list numerous times Trump uses colorful adjectives against openents.

Just so you know I was not a Hillary supporter. I am hardcore libertarian. I have luxury of always being apart of a ignored subsect of society that never wins. But i can openly criticize the crazy BS i see from both democrats and Repubs.

Yeah Garry Johnson was laughably ignorant on foriegn policy  but at least he seems to be a decent man compared to The two clowns that got all the media attention with thier disgraceful s@#t show.

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12 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I read something saying its one of two things.  

1. In order to keep transcripts of US citizens phone calls. The Fisa court must conclude there is evidence of wrong doing. Otherwise the evidence must  be destroyed. 

2. If the recordings are directed at a foriegn agent they can keep the transcripts even if foriegn agent is talking to a U.S. citizen not under surveillance 

 

Yes, but that presupposes someone was "wiretapped", right?  Clapper and Comey denied it was done at all.  The media made it very clear for MONTHS, that Trump's team was being investigated in this way.  THAT is the story.  And you'll note that NO EVIDENCE. NONE has been leaked.  Not a scintilla.  The Dems want to go through the lengthy process of standing up a special prosecutor - a period of months - to investigate something that is being investigated already by bi-partisan committees.  The entire story is made to bring doubt on the legitimacy of the Trump administration and with the collusion of the media.

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Likely Guy
4 hours ago, F3SS said:

Jesus man I'll tell you I don't know where my mind is some days. Too many places I guess. Holy crap lol. Yes I am the Father of Twins! Good grief :hmm:

Don't forget the birthday next week. ;)

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Frank Merton
20 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No, just a reminder how often every President puts their foot in their mouth. Anyways, the left might as well get use to hearing "Obama did it." They're going to hear it, a lot.

It seems to me Trump is trying to create a legend of lies around Obama similar to the one he created about the Clintons.  Unfortunately with a lot of people that sort of thing seems to work -- I would call it deplorable.

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BlackBearWolf
1 minute ago, and then said:

Yes, but that presupposes someone was "wiretapped", right?  Clapper and Comey denied it was done at all.  The media made it very clear for MONTHS, that Trump's team was being investigated in this way.  THAT is the story.  And you'll note that NO EVIDENCE. NONE has been leaked.  Not a scintilla.  The Dems want to go through the lengthy process of standing up a special prosecutor - a period of months - to investigate something that is being investigated already by bi-partisan committees.  The entire story is made to bring doubt on the legitimacy of the Trump administration and with the collusion of the media.

Just conjecture but it is possible that intelligence agencies were monitoring the russian agents that were under suspicions election tampering. Possible those agents include the ambassador. So the trump campaign was not monitored , only said conversations with the russians under investigation were recorded.  

Remember all the russians intelligence agents kicked out in December i think it was them probably being wire taped.

Once again i made up this based on circumstancal evidence.

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6 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said:

The real issue is that Trump made accusations without proof and without proof you are basically making a hopeless case out of thin air and when you are making a hopeless case out of thin air you are full of crap in my opinion.

 

Trump called for a Congressional investigation of the wiretapping so we'll get to the bottom of it all, eventually.  What p***es off those on the Left, is that now they are being shown what it's like to be accused of something without hard proof.  And as you say, they are" making a hopeless case out of thin air and when you are making a hopeless case out of thin air you are full of crap in my opinion". ;) 

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Hammerclaw
11 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

I can i agree that resorting to name calling is juvenile..... but i can list numerous times Trump uses colorful adjectives against openents.

Just so you know I was not a Hillary supporter. I am hardcore libertarian. I have luxury of always being apart of a ignored subsect of society that never wins. But i can openly criticize the crazy BS i see from both democrats and Repubs.

Yeah Garry Johnson was laughably ignorant on foriegn policy  but at least he seems to be a decent man compared to The two clowns that got all the media attention with thier disgraceful s@#t show.

Oh, we just love how people jump up on the fence then pontificate, haughtily, on how they are above the fray, while sniping mercilessly, never-the-less. Yet by their  fruits we know them  for what they really are.

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BlackBearWolf
Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Oh, we just love how people jump up on the fence then pontificate, haughtily, on how they are above the fray, while sniping mercilessly, never-the-less. Yet by their  fruits we know them  for what they really are.

Look i am not a follow the leader type of dude. I offer everyone the same respect wether your a fast food worker or POTUS. If someone acts agaront or lies in public then i have the right to ridicule them. Look i get your calling me a coward for not picking sides. Well guess what .....if i see two evils i dont see the need to pick one

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Hammerclaw
4 minutes ago, BlackBearWolf said:

Look i am not a follow the leader type of dude. I offer everyone the same respect wether your a fast food worker or POTUS. If someone acts agaront or lies in public then i have the right to ridicule them. Look i get your calling me a coward for not picking sides. Well guess what .....if i see two evils i dont see the need to pick one

On that we can agree, which is why I sat this election out. I only laid out a shoe of a particular size--it's your choice whether or not you put your foot in it. If I thought you a coward I would have used the word.

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Michelle

I keep wondering how many names you can call any demographic before it becomes against the rules of a polite society.

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toast

FOT = Friends of Tarzan

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Hammerclaw
14 minutes ago, toast said:

FOT = Friends of Tarzan

Been an E.R.B.fan since childhood. The only collection I have bigger is my Perry Rhodans.

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Hammerclaw
2 hours ago, Michelle said:

I keep wondering how many names you can call any demographic before it becomes against the rules of a polite society.

Polite discourse is alien to much of the Left--they're right and that's it. They keep wonder why the Right isn't upset about Trump mouthing off and tweeting. Well, hey! He was the Donald before he was elected and now the Donald is President. The Right didn't expect anything else. What did they expect? He would become soft spoken, urbane, polite and politically neutral?

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aztek
6 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Trump is at heart a con artist, and you can't be one unless you at least half-believe your lies.  The whole episode of the Trump University fraud and how he had to pay a huge amount to settle the lawsuits to keep it from going to trial is an example.

huge amount? lmao, do you follow reality at all? he settled for 25mil, a pocket change for him.

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