Trump Tower Wiretapped?

[+and-then]

22 hours ago, bee said:

What might be being sold as a kind of future utopia could so easily morph into a political global dictatorship 
in fact - this would be inevitable because the checks and balances of individual democracies would be gone -

THIS is precisely what is foretold to happen at the close of human history.  One global leader with all the power and military force under his complete command.  Roughly 2/3 of all people alive at the beginning of his rule aren't breathing 7 years later.

[Lilly]

5 hours ago, and then said:

THIS is precisely what is foretold to happen at the close of human history.  One global leader with all the power and military force under his complete command.  Roughly 2/3 of all people alive at the beginning of his rule aren't breathing 7 years later.

Exactly why Globalism is a very bad and dangerous idea.

[Einsteinium]

22 minutes ago, Lilly said:

Exactly why Globalism is a very bad and dangerous idea.

As opposed to what? The world was a freaking mess before globalism and will continue to be a mess after globalism. Maybe you will be worse off because of it, maybe Muhammed living in Australia will be better off because of it.

Either way the world is going to keep sucking for the majority of people. Should we focus on raising the bottom level up, raising the top level up even higher, or raising everyone up as much a possible?

You fools, you silly fools, the last time isolationist stances were normalized we had a great depression and two world wars. Globalization at least keeps us all economically tied together, lowering the risk of a major hot war that could go nuclear at this point in history.

 

You damn fools.

[Lilly]

25 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

 

 

You damn fools.

A world without any political checks and balances, without any form of economic competition, with all the power concentrated into an oligarchy of elites...and you call others "damn fools"?

[Merc14]

16 hours ago, Yamato said:

If you'd cool your rabies and stop saying "lies" maybe we could discuss issues and ideas like real adults?  

Well, yammie, real adults don't make things up and/or outright lie and then refuse to admit said fantasy/lie.  I have called you out on these fantasies/lies many times and not once have you admitted you made a mistake of lied, instead you change the subject and or make some other outrageous accusation.  If you want a mature discussion then one, stop lying and two admot you are in error, apologize and move on as a real adult does.  Let's start with your lie that the ISIS be headings were all faked.

16 hours ago, Yamato said:

We inject high tech weapons everywhere we sell them Merc including Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan, Israel.  

That you see these countries the same as you see ISIS speaks volumes.

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What else was Obama going to do? 

Let's see, for starters not make a promise re. red lines that you know you can't keep.  Maybe provide humanitarian aid, denounce the fighting and the stay the hell out f it.  Also, don't leave Iraq lock stock and barrel knowing that they will collapse into anarchy and neithe do you particpate in teh overthrow of a county that is at least aiding you in fighting radical Islam.  Actually there were are lot's of things Obama could've done or not done but in each case he chose poorly. 

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If he had the balls to stand up to the Military Industrial Complex he wouldn't be having a staring contest in the first place.

Brilliant yammie, so your answer to thug countries is to disarm ourselves and beg leniency.  

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If we're not being strong and aggressive enough with Russia and losing a staring contest we're getting into bed with them. 

It's called diplomacy yammie and we have been dealing with a thug Russia for decades now.  Weren't you one of those bright boys who laughed with Obama when Romney said Russia was our biggest geo-political threat? I'm thinking you were along with other always wrong folks like einsteinium, ninjadude, questionmark etc.  All sanctimonous, all always wrong and all incapbale of admitting a mistake.  

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Everyone who knew better recognized the game in Syria was over in 2015 that's why the rhetoric changed.  One could call it a "policy reversal" in Iraq (Mosul etc) last year as a result.   It's not a reversal of anything.  It's the same old song and dance around the mess we made like it always is.  When Trump declares victory you'll believe it.   The minute after someone shoots Assad in the head you'll be dancing a jig.   There'll be more battles to fight in three years from now, there's no reason to think otherwise.   If the problem began and ended with "ISIS" it would destroy the main cliched argument you kool aid crusaders make about the "Muslims".

The game was over in Syria long before 2015 bright boy and the fact that you are incapable of recognizing that it is important to publicly announce these course changes is why you aren't someone a person has an adult conversation with.

 

 

[Almighty Evan]

Trump Tower Wiretapped?

Yes. Yes, indeed. Poor Hussein Heads, and despite all their hate-filled denials and worship of their racist god and his administration of the last eight years.

Massive fail, Democrats.

As usual.

[Yamato]

28 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Well, yammie, real adults don't make things up and/or outright lie and then refuse to admit said fantasy/lie.  I have called you out on these fantasies/lies many times and not once have you admitted you made a mistake of lied, instead you change the subject and or make some other outrageous accusation.  If you want a mature discussion then one, stop lying and two admot you are in error, apologize and move on as a real adult does.  Let's start with your lie that the ISIS be headings were all faked.

That you see these countries the same as you see ISIS speaks volumes.

Let's see, for starters not make a promise re. red lines that you know you can't keep.  Maybe provide humanitarian aid, denounce the fighting and the stay the hell out f it.  Also, don't leave Iraq lock stock and barrel knowing that they will collapse into anarchy and neithe do you particpate in teh overthrow of a county that is at least aiding you in fighting radical Islam.  Actually there were are lot's of things Obama could've done or not done but in each case he chose poorly. 

Brilliant yammie, so your answer to thug countries is to disarm ourselves and beg leniency.  

It's called diplomacy yammie and we have been dealing with a thug Russia for decades now.  Weren't you one of those bright boys who laughed with ObSoama when Romney said Russia was our biggest geo-political threat? I'm thinking you were along with other always wrong folks like einsteinium, ninjadude, questionmark etc.  All sanctimonous, all always wrong and all incapbale of admitting a mistake.  

The game was over in Syria long before 2015 bright boy and the fact that you are incapable of recognizing that it is important to publicly announce these course changes is why you aren't someone a person has an adult conversation with.

 

 

So "thug Russia" is a "thug country" that's our biggest geo-political threat!!?   You're asking me if that's what I think?   No, that's not what I think.   I think our biggest geo-political threat by far is our foreign policy.

 

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Maybe provide humanitarian aid, denounce the fighting and the stay the hell out f it.

Said no neocon, EVER.   I've been saying that from the beginning so why am I so stupid?    Because, you don't really think that.   If Obama stopped fighting "ISIS", your hair would have caught on fire.  

[Merc14]

15 minutes ago, Yamato said:

So "thug Russia" is a "thug country" that's our biggest geo-political threat!!?   You're asking me if that's what I think?   No, that's not what I think.   I think our biggest geo-political threat by far is our foreign policy.

 

Said no neocon, EVER.   I've been saying that from the beginning so why am I so stupid?    Because, you don't really think that.   If Obama stopped fighting "ISIS", your hair would have caught on fire.  

See, you ask for adult conversation" and then post stupid things like this,  You asked me, specifically, "What else was Obama going to do? " which I answered with the above.  It was not in reference to whatever you may think should be done because I have no idea what you think as you are constantly changing your position to match whatever diatribe you are currently delivering.  

[Merc14]

Now we have evidence that Susan Rice was requesting the unmasking of names related to the Trump transition team, something she denied knowing anything about a month ago.  https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel

White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."

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Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today."

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Rice's requests to unmask the names of Trump transition officials does not vindicate Trump's own tweets from March 4 in which he accused Obama of illegally tapping Trump Tower. There remains no evidence to support that claim. 

But Rice's multiple requests to learn the identities of Trump officials discussed in intelligence reports during the transition period does highlight a longstanding concern for civil liberties advocates about U.S. surveillance programs. The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

 

 

Nunes Says Trump Team Caught in U.S. Surveillance Net

 

Edited April 3, 2017 by Merc14

[Yamato]

4 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

See, you ask for adult conversation" and then post stupid things like this,  You asked me, specifically, "What else was Obama going to do? " which I answered with the above.  It was not in reference to whatever you may think should be done because I have no idea what you think as you are constantly changing your position to match whatever diatribe you are currently delivering.  

So do we arm them with high tech weapons or not?   My position is No.  Simple as that.

Based on what you said, it depends.   Saudi Arabia is just fine.  Thug Russia though, they're the biggest geopolitical threat we've got!    It's good to find out what you really think after a little probing.

 

[Merc14]

1 minute ago, Yamato said:

So do we arm them with high tech weapons or not?   My position is No.  Simple as that.

Arm who yammie?  

1 minute ago, Yamato said:

Based on what you said, it depends.   Saudi Arabia is just fine.  Thug Russia though, they're the biggest geopolitical threat we've got!    It's good to find out what you really think after a little probing.

Actually what I said, yammie, is Obama inadvertently armed ISIS with high tech weapons when he assisted in the overthrow of Qaddafi and failed the subsequent vacuum that this provided.  Then I said we have been dealing with a thug Russia/USSR for decades so nothing new there.  Everything else is your imagination. See how these "adult conversations" go astray yammie?  You're constantly changing the parameters and firing off accusations that you have simply imagined  make it very difficult to deal with you, hence my refusal to have those "adult conversations" with you.

[RavenHawk]

On 4/1/2017 at 2:53 AM, Farmer77 said:

Im only parroting what i have been able to digest during  this ordeal but from what ive been able to tell there is precedent for laws being struck down because of their backstory which didnt make it into the legislation as it was written.

That’s the danger of political parties that our Founding Fathers warned us against.  Although, I don’t know if they foresaw at least one party becoming counter-American and infused with Socialism??

 

For me I appreciate the fact that the courts are stopping the bans because they're a complete political stunt which, in my opinion, has absolutely nothing to do with actually keeping Americans safe and everything to do with continuing trumps campaign which thrived on divisiveness and xenophobia. 

Not a complete political stunt.  For one he is trying to fulfill a campaign promise.  And secondly, sometimes, the people need a political stunt in order to comfort them.  Being President isn’t just about substance and policy but show as well.  Sometimes, it can be more important.  That’s just a part of gamesmanship.  Right now the people are in need of some action to show that the government is looking out for them for once.  The Progs and RINOs aren’t.

 

I’m currently reading the writings of Aaron Sargent.  He seems to have been against Chinese immigration (because of lack of assimilation).  And pro Woman’s Suffrage.  It’s too early for me to make a conclusion.  But the one thing I do know is that every race or culture that has come here to assimilate has gone through its trials to find its niche without exception.  Now it’s the Muslim’s turn to earn its place and it’s not going to be easy.  The White man sacrificed everything to establish this nation.  The Black has gone through untold suffering to find his way.  And every other group has struggled for its piece of the pie.  And that’s the way it should be.  Nothing to be given but an opportunity.  That is not divisiveness or xenophobia.  What Obama did to the races was divisiveness.  He brought unrest to the different groups.  We are multicultural in origin, not in culture.  We have a culture that requires assimilation by immigrants.  That is their first duty.  And I’ve presented before three letters from George Washington on what he expected from immigrants.  We should expect no less.

On 4/1/2017 at 2:58 AM, DieChecker said:

I'd agree they really aren't going to stop terrorists. Just like taking your shoes off going through airport security, no real terrorist is going to attack from that angle, and risk getting caught before boarding. Any terrorist worth a damn (not an complete idiot) will go around security, by either being a crewman, or ground crew, or being clever. Real terrorists aren't going to just fly into the US and start shooting up the airport they land in. They're going to be on a long term plan, such that even the extra background checks and 120 days isn't going to prevent them just flying in and walking out the airport doors.

Nothing will work for long (except for taking the fight to the enemy).  We’ve gotten stuck worried about screening passengers.  I’m surprised that attacks aren’t happening in airport security where there can be hundreds standing around.  Bringing down jets is now passé.  Run a bomb through the detector to create more shrapnel (or gas).  Muslim radicals *ARE* getting around security by driving vehicles into crowds.  What will the next incarnation bring?  We need to start changing our thinking on how we defend ourselves and a Hijrah ban is one way.  Scrutinizing the Muslim community more tightly.  As Muhammad used the Torah (by several accounts) to punish the Banu Qurayza, the Muslim should be placed under dhimmitude in order to protect those willing.

 

Still, like with gun control, I'm all in favor of More Background checks and waiting times. If someone might be a danger, don't let them into the short line, do a full check on them. 

Guns are acquired when the person is not a danger.  Background checks don’t do a thing for events that might happen in the future.  Instead of background checks, everyone should go through gun safety courses in elementary or jr school.  Teaching respect for weapons early on may carry into adulthood.  Guns will always be available and if you are intent at killing someone, a background check isn’t going to stop it.  And we’re seeing that a vehicle or knife work just as well.
 

[Yamato]

25 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Arm who yammie?  

Actually what I said, yammie, is Obama inadvertently armed ISIS with high tech weapons when he assisted in the overthrow of Qaddafi and failed the subsequent vacuum that this provided.  Then I said we have been dealing with a thug Russia/USSR for decades so nothing new there.  Everything else is your imagination. See how these "adult conversations" go astray yammie?  You're constantly changing the parameters and firing off accusations that you have simply imagined  make it very difficult to deal with you, hence my refusal to have those "adult conversations" with you.

You actually just ranted about other posters named above for laughing that Russia is our greatest geopolitical threat.  I'm not sure I was present for that one, but I'd have been closer to laughing than not.  Forget Thug Russia, we've been creating vacuums for decades too.  The moment we leave, the sound of Suck begins.  So how long must the occupations last?   How many rainbows have to come shooting out the the Middle East's ass before we're all happy enough to come home?   The only thing you criticized Obama for was weakness, and withdrawal from Iraq more slowly than Bush's timetable.   Go tell those bipartisan neocon SoBs to give us our money back.  

Arm who?  Exactly! 

[+and-then]

22 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That’s the danger of political parties that our Founding Fathers warned us against.  Although, I don’t know if they foresaw at least one party becoming counter-American and infused with Socialism??

I think you are being somewhat rhetorical here, forgive me if I'm mistaken.  I continue to be amazed at how well our founding fathers understood human nature's attraction to power and the progression it has always taken into oppression.  Article V Convention of States is a prime example of this wisdom.  It's as though they realized that this body of representatives of the people might well become corrupted (because they ARE people) and a means might be required to go around them at some point.  They also clearly understood the difficulty of gaining the assent of large percentages of diverse groups on a single issue.  The Constitution, if employed AS WRITTEN, is self-perpetuating and self-correcting.  I believe that Article V of the Constitution is the single greatest protection we have in the legislative realm and the second amendment the greatest overall protection against the natural proclivity for governments to drift into tyranny.  

[Yamato]

5 hours ago, Lilly said:

A world without any political checks and balances, without any form of economic competition

doesn't exist.

 

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with all the power concentrated into an oligarchy of elites

Trump is concentrating the elites' power even further.   Supporting that is kinda foolish isn't it?  

If you deny that to be the case, then by all means bring me this fresh list of starving elitists and I'll be happy to take a look. 

[+and-then]

11 minutes ago, Yamato said:

You actually just ranted about other posters named above for laughing that Russia is our greatest geopolitical threat.  I'm not sure I was present for that one, but I'd have been closer to laughing than not.  Forget Thug Russia, we've been creating vacuums for decades too.  The moment we leave, the sound of Suck begins.  So how long must the occupations last?   How many rainbows have to come shooting out the the Middle East's ass before we're all happy enough to come home?   The only thing you criticized Obama for was weakness, and withdrawal from Iraq more slowly than Bush's timetable.   Go tell those bipartisan neocon SoBs to give us our money back.  

Arm who?  Exactly! 

Among the many, many things I cannot agree with you on, THIS stands at the top of my list.  The U.S. followed Great Britain onto the world stage as the next "great power" and yes, we have been as apt to bullying and oppressing as all others who have ever held that role.  It would take a stupid human being not to understand that at its most basic foundation, history has proven, time and again, that humans strive for power, only respect strength and will take advantage or even oppress any group necessary to achieve their goals.  I'm not excusing a damned thing the U.S. may have done over the decades that falls into these categories.  Just like all other's who have reached this summit, we'll fall too, someday.  MEANWHILE, DAMMIT, you offer NO solutions other than isolationism and have a particular "blind spot" where fundamentalist Islam is concerned.  Yes, we ARE currently juggling grenades in too many locations.  That is primarily because we've had to take on the role of enforcer of whatever level of peace the world can hope to have.  The end state is chaos unless at least one, strong and capable entity IMPOSES order while attempting to find a way to bring the rest of humanity to some common understanding, if not of morality, at least an appreciation that our needs are best met when we TALK rather than shoot.

When you add fundamental Islam into that equation, you quickly realize you aren't dealing with a math problem, but insanity of the highest, most brutal order.  My guess is that France will have a de-facto Sharia government within a decade and Germany within two - UNLESS the citizenry stand and fight.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if we are arming the citizens of Germany and the U.K. in their fight (civil war) against both the Islamists and their own bloody governments before this is over.  

When the only answer a man has is, we deserve it, then he has given up.  OR he approves of the direction the enemies of his nation would chart for us all.

[Lilly]

35 minutes ago, Yamato said:

doesn't exist.

 

Trump is concentrating the elites' power even further.   Supporting that is kinda foolish isn't it?  

 

As long as Trump follows the US Constitution and supports the laws of the United States I'm not worried, nor am I being foolish.

[Merc14]

1 hour ago, Yamato said:

You actually just ranted about other posters named above for laughing that Russia is our greatest geopolitical threat. 

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I'm not sure I was present for that one, but I'd have been closer to laughing than not. 

It was in a 2012 debate between Romney and Obama

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Forget Thug Russia, we've been creating vacuums for decades too.  The moment we leave, the sound of Suck begins.  So how long must the occupations last?  

We broke it, we were obligated to fix it and should have stayed until it was safe to leave.  now we are back trying to fix it again.

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How many rainbows have to come shooting out the the Middle East's ass before we're all happy enough to come home?   The only thing you criticized Obama for was weakness, and withdrawal from Iraq more slowly than Bush's timetable.  

yeah, pretty sure I never said that and fairly certain you have, once again, confused me with someone else.

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Go tell those bipartisan neocon SoBs to give us our money back. 

 

Well, that is about enough of this silliness.  

[Yamato]

23 minutes ago, and then said:

Among the many, many things I cannot agree with you on, THIS stands at the top of my list.  The U.S. followed Great Britain onto the world stage as the next "great power" and yes, we have been as apt to bullying and oppressing as all others who have ever held that role.  It would take a stupid human being not to understand that at its most basic foundation, history has proven, time and again, that humans strive for power, only respect strength and will take advantage or even oppress any group necessary to achieve their goals.  I'm not excusing a damned thing the U.S. may have done over the decades that falls into these categories.  Just like all other's who have reached this summit, we'll fall too, someday.  MEANWHILE, DAMMIT, you offer NO solutions other than isolationism and have a particular "blind spot" where fundamentalist Islam is concerned.  Yes, we ARE currently juggling grenades in too many locations.  That is primarily because we've had to take on the role of enforcer of whatever level of peace the world can hope to have.  The end state is chaos unless at least one, strong and capable entity IMPOSES order while attempting to find a way to bring the rest of humanity to some common understanding, if not of morality, at least an appreciation that our needs are best met when we TALK rather than shoot.

When you add fundamental Islam into that equation, you quickly realize you aren't dealing with a math problem, but insanity of the highest, most brutal order.  My guess is that France will have a de-facto Sharia government within a decade and Germany within two - UNLESS the citizenry stand and fight.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if we are arming the citizens of Germany and the U.K. in their fight (civil war) against both the Islamists and their own bloody governments before this is over. 

Because nobody's told me we're at war with fundamentalist Islam.   You want a solution for your enemy.  It's as unimaginative as it is undeclared.  I agreed with all your statements up to that point though.

 

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The end state is chaos unless at least one, strong and capable entity IMPOSES order while attempting to find a way to bring the rest of humanity to some common understanding, if not of morality, at least an appreciation that our needs are best met when we TALK rather than shoot.

And let me guess, we're the one, strong, capable entity whose job it is.    The rest I agree with.

If you want to convince someone to talk and not shoot, then talk and don't shoot!   It's a cop-out to call that "isolationism".
 

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When you add fundamental Islam into that equation, you quickly realize you aren't dealing with a math problem, but insanity of the highest, most brutal order.  

 

When you add 9/11 into the numbers Muslims make up 6% of terrorism in the US.   So if we spend approximately six pennies of every dollar spent on "radical Islamic terrorism", I'll readily approve of such a sensible and proportionate response.    Otherwise you're not solving anything over here.  We're making problems somewhere else under the pretension of solving them.

 

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When the only answer a man has is, we deserve it, then he has given up.  OR he approves of the direction the enemies of his nation would chart for us all.

Do we deserve the debt?   The blowback?   The loss of lives, limbs and health of our soldiers?    Our power and influence and moral authority are floating away!   And what for?   Because of an impossible bureaucratic dream of defeating a non-state actor in over 30 countries with bombs in Iraq and artillery shells in Syria.   Nitpicking "ISIS" to the exclusion of all else is never going to address the breadth of the problem or the cause.  Killing their children and martyring their leaders isn't the way home.  If you want us to be the ones over there for a hundred years killing them all the while, I am not going to agree with that.   The madness is repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result.  

[Yamato]

Just now, Merc14 said:

We broke it, we were obligated to fix it and should have stayed until it was safe to leave.  now we are back trying to fix it again.

Can you show me this obligation?   There is no such obligation under law.   That's just a statist excuse and an entitlement complex, only foreigners are the entitlement holders.    But they get killed and displaced by instability and terrorism that we create.   Enough with all this socialism trying to "fix it again."

 

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yeah, pretty sure I never said that and fairly certain you have, once again, confused me with someone else.

Nope, you were towing the Fox News line like always.

[Yamato]

30 minutes ago, Lilly said:

As long as Trump follows the US Constitution and supports the laws of the United States I'm not worried, nor am I being foolish.

He can do all that and still concentrate power and wealth to the rich/elites.   And I'm not so sure he does support the laws of the United States based on what I've seen so far.

[Merc14]

17 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Can you show me this obligation?   There is no such obligation under law.  

Stupidest thing you have ever posted.

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That's just a statist excuse and an entitlement complex, only foreigners are the entitlement holders.   

This is simply gibberish. 

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But they get killed and displaced by instability and terrorism that we create.   Enough with all this socialism trying to "fix it again."

My lord yammie, you are a bore!  Honestly,  your constant anti-American harangue is one of the most boring, pedantic garbage on this board!  You aren't even trying anymore, just reposting the same old **** over and over again.  Try and at least put some thought into it yammie, because this isn't even up to drug addled levels of writing.  

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Nope, you were towing the Fox News line like always.

The word is "toeing" as in "toeing the line" where you put your toes on the line and stand at attention.  .  See, I am trying to lurn ya sumptin yammie.  

Edited April 3, 2017 by Merc14

[Yamato]

Just now, Merc14 said:

Stupidest thing you have ever posted.

This is simply gibberish. 

My lord yammie, you are a bore!  Honestly,  your constant anti-American harangue is one of the most boring, pedantic garbage on this board!  You aren't even trying anymore, just reposting the same old **** over and over again.  Try and at least put some thought into it yammie, because this isn't even up to drug addled levels of writing.  

The word is "toeing" as in "toeing the line" where you put your toes on the line and stand at attention.  . 

I make a distinction between a policy and a country, that doesn't make me anti-American.  What year did the Constitution become anti-American?  

But boring, stupid, thoughtless, pedantic and gibbery?   Okay!    

[Merc14]

15 minutes ago, Yamato said:

I make a distinction between a policy and a country, that doesn't make me anti-American. 

When you blame a single country for everything that is wrong in the world then you are anti- that country and that is exactly what you do.   

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What year did the Constitution become anti-American?  

 

What dies this even mean?

15 minutes ago, Yamato said:

But boring, stupid, thoughtless, pedantic and gibbery?   Okay!    

I didn't say thoughtless but since you have suggested adding it I thank you as it does fit.  

[Paranormal Panther]

19 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Don't forget OLD, she's also old. All she needs is to be a lesbian, and she'll be completely media bullet proof.

She's like Pelosi and Reid in that age is not an advantage. Maybe it's time for her to join them at a retirement community. She can take McCain with her. They can be replaced by people with new ideas, even if those people are in their eighties.