Let's talk history

[Hanslune]

19 hours ago, danydandan said:

Is it fair to say we should be highly sceptical of any and all papers published on this platform?

Yeah but on occasion something of interest comes up. 'Lesser' academics and knowledgeable amateurs publish some good stuff.

[danydandan]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

Yeah but on occasion something of interest comes up. 'Lesser' academics and knowledgeable amateurs publish some good stuff.

Is it used primarily by history/archaeological type people's?

[+Pettytalk]

21 hours ago, Impedancer said:

Why would you fake a native american ancestry ?. I have always felt drawn to the native american history etc but to even think of faking  my ancestry would be extremely laughable i would be "fluffy bunny feet Lars" 

Because, for example, belonging to certain tribes, especially small ones, which also have successful casinos, you would then get a share of the casinos' profits, equal to your ancestry percentage. Or faking it for political exploitation, like the one that Donald Trump labeled her as Pocahontas. In this case I think it was an exaggeration of the percentage, rather than a total fake. Trump insults everyone not of his perceived ancestry. Unfortunately Trump, by having become one of the presidents of the USA, will most likely be part of any future "let's talk history."

[Piney]

4 hours ago, danydandan said:

Is it used primarily by history/archaeological type people's?

Like I said, I found some good dig reports from both professional and advocational archaeologists.

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

3 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Because, for example, belonging to certain tribes, especially small ones, which also have successful casinos, you would then get a share of the casinos' profits, equal to your ancestry percentage. Or faking it for political exploitation, like the one that Donald Trump labeled her as Pocahontas. In this case I think it was an exaggeration of the percentage, rather than a total fake. Trump insults everyone not of his perceived ancestry. Unfortunately Trump, by having become one of the presidents of the USA, will most likely be part of any future "let's talk history."

Thanks for clearyfing this. I remember seeing Trumps soap or show and thought to myself this man must be crazy and now he's the president it just goes to show how far you can reach with a good name and money. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Impedancer

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, danydandan said:

Is it used primarily by history/archaeological type people's?

I've only looked at those areas the other areas remain unknown - it doesn't cost anything to join

[Piney]

@Swede 

Is there a map of the strewnfield or a dig report about the Anoka meteor? 

[Tatetopa]

On 4/18/2019 at 1:01 PM, Impedancer said:

Why would you fake a native american ancestry ?. I have always felt drawn to the native american history etc but to even think of faking  my ancestry would be extremely laughable i would be "fluffy bunny feet Lars" 

Good for you Impedancer.  You are better as yourself than as a fake.

If you have friends that are Indians, they know you are a white person, you don't fool them.  But if you are an honest and decent person, someone that knows how to be a friend, it usually doesn't matter to the people who know you best..  You talk, you laugh, you eat together sometimes,  you help out when a friend needs help.  Once in a while there is a  closed function, and you respect that by not going. 

It is an insult to yourself and your own ancestors to deny them.  Think about those men and women who came before you.  Some of them huddled around fires in caves or huts made out of mammoth bones.  Most of our ancestors across the world lived pretty much the same at some point.  We might have the arrogance to look back at them in disdain, but if they could look forward, would they be proud of  us, or think, " I fought a cave bear and my descendants wound up like that? "  All of our ancestors were survivors.  They won the life lottery and they all deserve some respect and honor.

Best you can do for everybody including yourself is just be a good person. 

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Good for you Impedancer.  You are better as yourself than as a fake.

If you have friends that are Indians, they know you are a white person, you don't fool them.  But if you are an honest and decent person, someone that knows how to be a friend, it usually doesn't matter to the people who know you best..  You talk, you laugh, you eat together sometimes,  you help out when a friend needs help.  Once in a while there is a  closed function, and you respect that by not going. 

It is an insult to yourself and your own ancestors to deny them.  Think about those men and women who came before you.  Some of them huddled around fires in caves or huts made out of mammoth bones.  Most of our ancestors across the world lived pretty much the same at some point.  We might have the arrogance to look back at them in disdain, but if they could look forward, would they be proud of  us, or think, " I fought a cave bear and my descendants wound up like that? "  All of our ancestors were survivors.  They won the life lottery and they all deserve some respect and honor.

Best you can do for everybody including yourself is just be a good person. 

I sympathise with the native americans and they have my utter most admiration and respect and they have always fascinated me i dont deny my ancestors without them i wouldn't exist what i was making fun of was the idiocracy to fake your ancestory If you're my friend i dont care what nationality you are. 

[Tatetopa]

2 minutes ago, Impedancer said:

I sympathise with the native americans and they have my utter most admiration and respect and they have always fascinated me i dont deny my ancestors without them i wouldn't exist what i was making fun of was the idiocracy to fake your ancestory If you're my friend i dont care what nationality you are. 

Likewise.  Glad you are here.

[Wistman]

(April 19)  Egyptian authorities announce discovery of a large Saff Tomb, (@3500 y.o.) at Draa Abul Naga, West Bank at Luxor.  It belonged to Prince Shed Sou Djehuty, who was also a mayor and royal seal holder to Thutmose I.

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Adorned in painted walls featuring daily life scenes and deceased before a variety of divinities,  the tomb was filled with an anthropoid cartonnage sarcophagus, canopic jars, pots and ushabti figures in wood, clay and faience.

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Saff ‘row’ tombs are rock-cut tombs that originated in the Middle Kingdom. They differ vastly from the pyramids and the mastaba structures from the Old Kingdom and the hidden tombs of the Valley of the Kings and Queens. (ES)

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"This is the largest saff tomb with the largest number of entrances in the west bank necropolis. It is 55 meters wide with a total size of 550 square meters," Waziri told Xinhua outside the tomb, noting the tomb has two shafts with each about 11 meters deep. (Xinhua)

https://egyptianstreets.com/2019/04/19/biggest-saff-tomb-discovered-in-luxor/

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-04/19/c_137990680.htm

[Wistman]

(April 18)  Newly discovered cuneiform inscriptions of Assyrian King Sargon II in ruins of Karkemish imply he planned to use the freshly conquered city as his Western capital.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-04/uocp-mks041819.php

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Edited April 20, 2019 by The Wistman

[Wistman]

(April 18)  Archaeological site at Oregon's Lewis and Clarke National Historical Park looted.  Theft of artifacts occurred at the Netul River Trail in south end of park sometime in March.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Archaeology-site-looted-at-Lewis-and-Clark-13778035.php

[Swede]

22 hours ago, Piney said:

@Swede 

Is there a map of the strewnfield or a dig report about the Anoka meteor? 

The strewn field has not, to my knowledge, been mapped due to location and depth. The available information comes from a few individual finds in the vicinity. Two references for timeline:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1966Metic...3...83H

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/beads-made-meteorite-show-ancient-trade-network-180963343/

The most current related report. You may already have this one:

https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32220/McCoy_etal_JArchaeSci_2017.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

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[Swede]

2 hours ago, The Wistman said:

(April 18)  Archaeological site at Oregon's Lewis and Clarke National Historical Park looted.  Theft of artifacts occurred at the Netul River Trail in south end of park sometime in March.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Archaeology-site-looted-at-Lewis-and-Clark-13778035.php

And there are those who would question the professional concerns in regards to the destruction of cultural properties...

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[Piney]

17 minutes ago, Swede said:

The strewn field has not, to my knowledge, been mapped due to location and depth. The available information comes from a few individual finds in the vicinity. Two references for timeline:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1966Metic...3...83H

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/beads-made-meteorite-show-ancient-trade-network-180963343/

The most current related report. You may already have this one:

https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32220/McCoy_etal_JArchaeSci_2017.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

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I have these. I was looking for a date and direction it came in. I was hoping for a Eocene extinction connection. There is a unknown strewnfield I have to check out in June. Analysis does not match Toms Canyon but it is pretty close to Anoka and Greenland. 

[Swede]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

I have these. I was looking for a date and direction it came in. I was hoping for a Eocene extinction connection. There is a unknown strewnfield I have to check out in June. Analysis does not match Toms Canyon but it is pretty close to Anoka and Greenland. 

At the current time, that may be difficult. As noted in McCoy et al, there has not yet even been a timeline association. The area of the known find-spots is highly urbanized, which naturally complicates matters.

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[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Swede said:

At the current time, that may be difficult. As noted in McCoy et al, there has not yet even been a timeline association. The area of the known find-spots is highly urbanized, which naturally complicates matters.

It's a close composition match to Greenland. I have to look back but they might be connected. I'm under the impression the Eocene extinction was caused by a bigger shower than just the 3 associated astroblemes. I think Greenland was involved too. 

[Hanslune]

Is this still the consensus? Is the Gisr- El Mudir considered the oldest stone construction in Egypt?

The first excavation was carried out in 1947 and 1948 by the then director of the Supreme Council of Antiquities Abdel Salam Hussein. His nickname "el-Mudir" (= "the chief") was the source of its modern name Gisr el-Mudir. The results of these excavations were not published.

Systematic research was first undertaken in the 1990s by archaeologists of the National Museum of Scotland, in which techniques like magnetometry and ground-penetrating radar were employed. Before these excavations, the structure was considered to be an unfinished pyramid complex from the Third Dynasty. However, pottery shards in the filling of the walls were found to date to the

Second Dynasty and indicated that the structure was constructed at the end of the Second Dynasty (end of the 28th century BC).

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Thus Gisr el-Mudir became the oldest known Egyptian construction for which worked stone was used as a building material.

[en.wikipedia.org]

 

Experts?

[Piney]

46 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

 Egypt

 

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

 

Here is something more in your line!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/geneticist-traces-mysterious-origins-of-native-americans-to-middle-east-ancient-greece_831180.html

 

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The idea that Native Americans are descended from ancient ..., Egyptians, or .... has been a controversial one for hundreds of years. James Adair, an 18th century settler who traded with Native Americans for 40 years, wrote that their language, customs, and social structures were similar ...

Suitably taken out of context of course

 

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So where do our non-European, non-Indian-appearing elements come from?” he asked. “The level of haplogroup T in the Cherokee (26.9 percent) approximates the percentage for Egypt (25 percent), one of the only lands where T attains a major position among the various mitochondrial lineages.”

...ah classic woo

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

...ah classic woo

The Hysterical Channel .....ahem.... History Channel actually used a fake Cherokee Tribe to promote this horse hocky. I know all about  this fake chief Joe and his moronic train wreck

https://theonefeather.com/2010/08/no-recognition-for-central-band-of-cherokees/

 

[Oniomancer]

8 hours ago, The Wistman said:

(April 19)  Egyptian authorities announce discovery of a large Saff Tomb, (@3500 y.o.) at Draa Abul Naga, West Bank at Luxor.  It belonged to Prince Shed Sou Djehuty, who was also a mayor and royal seal holder to Thutmose I.

Djehuty!

[Wistman]

11 hours ago, Oniomancer said:

Djehuty!

Are you Djoking?

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Edited April 21, 2019 by The Wistman

[Swede]

22 hours ago, Piney said:

It's a close composition match to Greenland. I have to look back but they might be connected. I'm under the impression the Eocene extinction was caused by a bigger shower than just the 3 associated astroblemes. I think Greenland was involved too. 

Composition may be the critical determinant. Also, keep in mind glacial transport. The area in question has been glaciated four separate times. Thus, a great deal of reworking. Unless the impact occurred post-Pleistocene, the fragments are an import.

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