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Wepwawet

Some culture for the barbarians. Warning, may cause Stendahl's syndrome

 

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Abramelin
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9 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

Some culture for the barbarians. Warning, may cause Stendahl's syndrome

 

You seriously think that barbarians are going to watch a 3 hours long video?

Can you post the highlights?

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What made you think you had a conversation with barbarians?

Because not all of us know as much about ancient Egypt as you do?

Or ... what?

I am not much interested in AE. Well, I was, but AE has been chomped, chewed, and regurgitated a zillion times.

Ok, they find a new mummy. Great. Oh, a new grave, great.

Wepwawet, I am as much interested in AE as you are in Doggerland.

But then, I am just a barbarian interested in the ingenuity of hunter-gatherers.

 

 

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Kismit

Please note.that the forum is for the discussion of topics and not other posters

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and then
On 4/8/2021 at 4:35 PM, Harte said:

According to Jed, Jethro was "born with a full set of teeth - just like a beaver!"

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I remember that line!  Jed said it with a hint of awe in his voice  :w00t:

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22 hours ago, Kismit said:

Please note.that the forum is for the discussion of topics and not other posters

Yep.

Wep and I appear to have had a bit of a misunderstanding.

We've settled it (I think).

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Hanslune

 

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Egypt in the Eastern Mediterranean during the Old Kingdom. An Archaeological Perspective

https://www.academia.edu/9933516/Egypt_in_the_Eastern_Mediterranean_during_the_Old_Kingdom_An_Archaeological_Perspective_with_a_contribution_by_P_Grave_?email_work_card=view-paper

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Manufactured Egyptian objects in the Levant fit into the broad pattern of state-to-state gift exchange and trade goods established by scattered textual material of the third and second millennium. Goods attested in the Levantine archaeological record include prestige objects such as stone vessels, toilet articles, and special items. Objects of a more prosaic nature such as palettes,  beads and other small pieces also formed part of this exchange, but their exotic origins may have lent them prestige and value in the eyes of those who received them rather than the giver. In describing find spots of stone.

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As with Byblos, a 4th Dynasty royal name, that of Khafre, is also attested, from which one could also draw the same conclusion. In Crete, only one Egyptian vessel can be positively dated to the EM II (synchronised with the OK); it was found in a domestic context and should be associated with down-the-line exchange mechanisms via Cyprus and the Syrian coast.

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Hanslune
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We've talked about this tomb before but here are some more images

 

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The Only Intact Egyptian Pharaohs Tombs Ever Discovered

https://www.thecollector.com/ancient-egypt-only-intact-egyptian-pharaohs-tombs-ever-discovered/

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Hanslune
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2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

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Correction: Sorry wrong image shows a pastiche of items from KV62, the Nekhen Horus, and the statuet showing Osiris, Isis and Horus is modern kitsch instead of  materials from the Tanis tomb. Thanks to Wepwawet for the heads up!

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Hanslune

2014 map showing the then array of HSS bones found in the Americas

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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/344/6185/750.full

 

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ShadowSot

Sometimes I like to go back and read some of the older threads. 

  Always good to read back through and remember, or collect useful links that still work and do on. 

 Did find myself reacting to some comments with. Well. 

https://i.imgur.com/20JgHRr.gifv

 

 

 

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Djedi
15 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Correction: Sorry wrong image shows a pastiche of items from KV62, the Nekhen Horus, and the statuet showing Osiris, Isis and Horus is modern kitsch instead of  materials from the Tanis tomb. Thanks to Wepwawet for the heads up!

The bracelets are from the tomb of king Djer, the fan below is indeed from KV62, the 3 gold items to the right are from the pyramid treasure of Sekhemkhet, then the Horus of Nekhen. The Horus, Osiris and Isis triad is from the reign of king Osorkon and on display at the Louvre. Don't know about the vase, the two other items seem to come from coptic / medieval times imho.

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Wepwawet
1 hour ago, Djedi said:

The Horus, Osiris and Isis triad is from the reign of king Osorkon and on display at the Louvre

Yes, you're right, I should have looked closer and not rushed to judgement. It just has the look of tacky modern interpretations.

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Hanslune
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What we have a correction of a correction?  Bad karma - I will have lay naked under a full moon in a fetid pit of itchy leaves & vermin now...dang I hate that.

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I have to play Harte in four man chess - with him holding three of the positions - and win. He always leaves me the Yellow wood....I hate that too.

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23 hours ago, Hanslune said:

 

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For those not familiar with at least some of these objects to know better, or those pretending they do, one of the dead giveaways these are not from the same tomb and/or what they actually are, assuming one missed all of the words in the article leading up to this picture other than the clickbait headline, might be the caption directly under the photo that tells you what they are meant to represent collectively and what each one is with links:

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Three millennia of gold objects belonging to Pharaohs, Queens or temples. From the 1st dynasty to the Roman era, King Djer bracelets, King Sekhemkhet shell, Queen Hetepheres gold dish, Horus falcon from Hierakonpolis, Tutankhamun’s ceremonial fan handle, Queen Ahhotep bracelet, King Psusennes flask and funerary sandals, Osorkon II pendant (Louvre), and a collar set with Emperors coins ca. 225 AD (Metropolitan)

So when we follow one of these links, say the Djer tombs bracelets for example, some of my favorite AE artifacts, it further informs you:

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These four bracelets were discovered at Abydos in the tomb of King Djer of the First Dynasty. They were fastened onto a linen-wrapped forearm of a woman, who might have been King Djer's queen or a member of the royal family. 

The bracelets were held in place by linen bandages, which made it possible to recover them in their original order of stringing. 

Three of the bracelets are composed of various types of beads: gold, turquoise, lapis lazuli, and amethyst. 

The fourth one consists of 27 plaques representing the palace facade topped by the falcon god Horus. 

The bracelets are of exquisite workmanship, demonstrating the skill of the ancient artists in this early period of Egyptian history.

 

 

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Hanslune

I've checked the vibrational energies, calibrated the indigo preface and sacrificed a chicken (okay a can of chicken) to the unseemly Duck God and all is now settled and well. Multiple errors have therefore been erased from reality.

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Neighborhood to National Network: Pyramid Settlements of Giza

https://www.academia.edu/43104310/Neighborhood_to_National_Network_Pyramid_Settlements_of_Giza?email_work_card=view-paper

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ABSTRACT

 

A twenty-hectare swath of Old Kingdom 4th Dynasty settlement that central authorities laid out at the low, southeastern base of the Giza Plateau as housing and infrastructure for building pyramids shows distinct components that reflect how they mobilized labor into collective action for building on a colossal scale through already existing social bonds and home-based fellowships from districts, villages and neighborhoods. Correlation between this architectural footprint, builders’ graffiti, and recently discovered papyrus day logs with district signs suggests links to larger national networks. Ensconced alongside the major Nile port of its time, community members served in both ships’ crews and work gangs with links to broader inter regional networks. It is possible that immigrants from source countries who specialized in procurement and transport of exotic products contributed to ethnic diversity in the distinct components of  “downtown Egypt.” Brought together in a central settlement much larger and denser than any at home, each occupant experienced an exponential increase in social interactions. But we see hints that, as authorities multiplied social clusters for collective action and established procurement networks of broad spatial range, they preserved home-based fellowships. It may have been true for downtown Egypt at the pyramids that, regardless of a city’s size, everyone lived in villages and neighborhoods. [Networks, Household, Neighborhood, Old Kingdom Egypt, Giza, Pharaonic settlements, Labor organization]

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Wistman

New research at Catalhoyuk reveals wild plant food sources supplemented domesticated wheat/barley at ancient (7100 - 6000 bce) agrarian city.  Processing tools and techniques also analyzed.

New aspects related to plant processing revealed at Çatalhöyük

7/13/2021

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The researchers carried out their work combining the analysis of microbotanical remains and use-wear traces in various stone implements recovered from the site.   [...]

Despite the extensive research conducted in the area, much of what is known about agricultural practices and the use of plant resources, both at Çatalhöyük and in many other archaeological settlements, is based on the study of charred remains. However, these remains occur causally, either when cooking food or due to accidental fire, which gives a limited image of the use of plant resources in the past.

"We recovered residues trapped in the pits and crevices of these stone artefacts that date back to the time of being used, and then carried out studies of microbotanical remains and thus reveal what types of plants had been processed with these artefacts in the past"

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Among the microscopic remains studied by the researchers are phytoliths, from the deposition of opal silica in plant cells and cell walls, that provide clues about the presence of anatomical parts, such as the stems and husks of plants, including wheat and barley. Another residue studied are starches, glucose compounds, created by plants to store energy, which are found in large quantities in many edible parts of plants, such as seeds and tubers.

Thanks to combining these two lines, the researchers have shown that although the community of Çatalhöyük was based on an agricultural economy by definition, growing cereals and vegetables (wheat, oats, peas), there continued to be much exploitation of wild resources outside the spectrum of domestic resources, which had not yet been found at this site.

 

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These wild plant resources were as important as domestic ones, and were most likely used regularly to supplement the core diet.

"Among our findings we have shown that the community used a wide range of tuberous plants, many of them belonging to potentially toxic taxonomic families, which require complex processing or use. This shows the great phytocultural knowledge possessed by this community", the authors underscore. And they add: "Many of these tuberous plants had highly restrictive seasonal life cycles, which has helped us to infer the possible means of organizing and exploiting the plant environment at different times of the year".

Moreover, another important aspect revealed by the study is the processing of wild millet seeds, which had never been found among the charred remains of plants on the site.

https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2021/07/new-aspects-related-to-plant-processing.html

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Abramelin
8 minutes ago, Wistman said:

This shows the great phytocultural knowledge possessed by this community", the authors underscore.

And that in the 7th millennium bce.

This just shows how much many have underestimated the knowledge the ancients possessed.

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Hanslune

 

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Time out of joint: A re-assessment of the Cypriot
Aceramic Neolithic site of Kalavasos-Tenta and its
regional implications

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joanne-Clarke-2/publication/340998058_Time_out_of_joint_A_re-assessment_of_the_Cypriot_Aceramic_Neolithic_site_of_Kalavasos-Tenta_and_its_regional_implications/links/5ff3814e92851c13feeb34a5/Time-out-of-joint-A-re-assessment-of-the-Cypriot-Aceramic-Neolithic-site-of-Kalavasos-Tenta-and-its-regional-implications.pdf

Kalavasos-Tenta is a PPNA site on Cyrus (see map below) paper tries to make a connection between it and Gobekll-tepe and other later sites in the Levant

Map showing Tenta (located in south central Cyprus)

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Aerial view of site

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Hanslune

Speaking of a King buried under a parking lot:

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jaylemurph

So what you’re really saying here is that those Dendera light bulbs are detached elephant trunks, right?

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onlookerofmayhem
2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

So what you’re really saying here is that those Dendera light bulbs are detached elephant trunks, right?

—Jaylemurph

Or take the elephant away and well...

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