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Well the trade Bill passed its second reading on the 9th Jan. This paves the way for the UK to continue to trade with 40 countries the UK currently has a trade agreement with via the EU. All 40 countries wanted to go further and enhance our trading relationship but had to settle for this arrangement as the UK is not able to enter into FTA's or even sign agreements until our membership of the EU ends.

That's 40 countries showing the EU how to conduct trade agreements. It seems these 40 non-EU countries are only to happy too continue trading with the UK under the same terms and conditions and they look forward expanding this co-operation in the future once we leave the EU.

Interesting fact. The UK - EU trade talks are the only trade talks in History in which both parties have started with a 0% tariff trade agreement and are seeking to actual impose tariffs. The EU receives the award, a world first for trade talks.

When it comes to UK - EU trade talks. We need to remind ourselves, There are 65million of us and 420 million of them. YET the 65million of us are buying more than the combined 420 million of them, buy off us. leaving us with a trade DEFICIT with the EU of £96Billion.

Those who continue to argue that we need to be in the Customs Union of the EU, need to answer two very simple questions.

  1. Why do we have a large and persistent trade deficit with the Customs Union, and a trade surplus with the rest of the world trading with them under WTO rules?
  2. Why has our trade been growing faster in recent years with the rest of the world than with the EU Customs Union?

Germany in 2016 exported £66bn worth of goods to the UK and imported just £33bn back from us. The Netherlands exported £36bn to us, and took just £18.6bn in imports. If they want us to go to WTO terms we will be able to find cheaper imports from non EU sources and produce more at home.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, keithisco said:

Just broaching another subject that will have prominence in the next several months:

City of London (Financial as opposed to Metropolitan) "Passporting" rights and Financial Services sector impact after Brexit is often cited as an area that will inflict a massive dose of "self-harm" on the UK economy...Financial Services ARE a big success story for the UK and the commonly held belief that these will suffer unless we remain in the Single Market AND the Customs Union AND pay an exorbitant "fee" to retain Passporting rights is simply ill-informed, and entirely baseless. 

Financial Services and the provision of such services is NOT predicated on being a member of, or maintaining an office in an EU member state. Should the UK leave without any sort of deal on financial services  then what will the impact be? virtualy Nil. Maybe a loss of 4,000 jobs (out of over 1 million) yet virtually zero impact on the UK economy or indeed the tax revenue from such service provision.

FS (Financial Services) is horrendously complicated and intentionally so; to prevent any single authority from dictating how a private or institutional investor wishes to purchase financial instruments (with the exception of those that are declared ro be illegal by the WTO):

I strongly recommend to anyone that wants to understand exactly how Financial Services provision works, and the impact of Brexit on same, to take the time to read rhis informative blog Semper Fidem2004

It is quite lengthy and at times very technical but it does arm you with knowledge that is very difficult to come by written in an accessible format for non-finance orientated minds.

The blog you linked is good reading and reaffirms what the head of the city said to the EU select committee when questioned.

The myths surrounding Brexit and the so called consequences are dispelled. its like all these people going on about a cliff edge, as anyone gone to the edge and had a look. rumour as it, its less of a sheer drop and more like a 1 inch slope. 

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6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Well the trade Bill passed its second reading on the 9th Jan. This paves the way for the UK to continue to trade with 40 countries the UK currently has a trade agreement with via the EU. All 40 countries wanted to go further and enhance our trading relationship but had to settle for this arrangement as the UK is not able to enter into FTA's or even sign agreements until our membership of the EU ends.

That's 40 countries showing the EU how to conduct trade agreements. It seems these 40 non-EU countries are only to happy too continue trading with the UK under the same terms and conditions and they look forward expanding this co-operation in the future once we leave the EU.

Interesting fact. The UK - EU trade talks are the only trade talks in History in which both parties have started with a 0% tariff trade agreement and are seeking to actual impose tariffs. The EU receives the award, a world first for trade talks.

When it comes to UK - EU trade talks. We need to remind ourselves, There are 65million of us and 420 million of them. YET the 65million of us are buying more than the combined 420 million of them, buy off us. leaving us with a trade DEFICIT with the EU of £96Billion.

Those who continue to argue that we need to be in the Customs Union of the EU, need to answer two very simple questions.

  1. Why do we have a large and persistent trade deficit with the Customs Union, and a trade surplus with the rest of the world trading with them under WTO rules?
  2. Why has our trade been growing faster in recent years with the rest of the world than with the EU Customs Union?

Germany in 2016 exported £66bn worth of goods to the UK and imported just £33bn back from us. The Netherlands exported £36bn to us, and took just £18.6bn in imports. If they want us to go to WTO terms we will be able to find cheaper imports from non EU sources and produce more at home.

 

I am looking forward to the UK importing Fruit, Veg. and other commodities from The Commonwealth other African nations and 3rd countries because every item we buy will help to lift the poorest farmers out of poverty and show the EU that the UK is truly outward looking and not just another elitist European nation. Free trade is the great equaliser not the protectionism that the EU represents. As the EU becomes more inward looking and introspective (and indeed xenophobic towards 3rd countries) and less relevant in Global matters the UK will have caught the current of modernising its Trade practises and will give give new relevance to the WTO as a strong and supportive member. 

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Pronouncements, e.g. Trump's and Poland's, about the protectionist nature of the EU are exaggerated and usually driven by narrow nationalist interests. The issue is complex and the arguments presented here are simplistic. The EU, generally speaking, is no more protectionist than the US or most other countries. If the Brexiteers think the UK will not have to treat with 'third country' tariffs, regulation and protectionism they are deluded. They currently trade with dozens of 'third countries' through the EU. After Brexit they will have to negotiate a new trade agreement with each and every one them in the face of their individual national self-interest. The extremists want to walk away from their biggest trading partner - the EU - and into the warm embrace of the US! Good luck with that!

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I don't know why proponents of the pro-EU argument still believe that geographical proximity is so essential for trading partners. I mean, where do the great majority of imports - of anything, pretty much - come from to the UK? From Asia, particularly China, isn't it. When people talk about the EU as the UK's largest trading partner , could they explain what it is exactly that this trade consists of?

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46 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Pronouncements, e.g. Trump's and Poland's, about the protectionist nature of the EU are exaggerated and usually driven by narrow nationalist interests. The issue is complex and the arguments presented here are simplistic. The EU, generally speaking, is no more protectionist than the US or most other countries. If the Brexiteers think the UK will not have to treat with 'third country' tariffs, regulation and protectionism they are deluded. They currently trade with dozens of 'third countries' through the EU. After Brexit they will have to negotiate a new trade agreement with each and every one them in the face of their individual national self-interest. The extremists want to walk away from their biggest trading partner - the EU - and into the warm embrace of the US! Good luck with that!

The EU has to craft trade agreements that are satisfactory to all 28 member states simultanously. This involves compromises that mean some EU nations benefit more than others on any given deal. 

The UK, however, only has to craft trade agreements that are agreeable to itself. (and the partner country, obviously). Hence they can be much more focussed, and more beneficial to the UK's specific interests. We don't have 28 national agenda's around our neck. 

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1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

The EU has to craft trade agreements that are satisfactory to all 28 member states simultanously. This involves compromises that mean some EU nations benefit more than others on any given deal. 

The UK, however, only has to craft trade agreements that are agreeable to itself. (and the partner country, obviously). Hence they can be much more focussed, and more beneficial to the UK's specific interests. We don't have 28 national agenda's around our neck. 

exactly, As happens today why should the UK impose EU tariffs on goods arriving here to protect an industry in Italy or anywhere else in the EU. UK consumers are paying inflated prices and not to their benefit. Food and clothing are both cheaper on the world market. yet we pay higher prices to protect French Farmers and Belgian and Italian textiles. And this policy is having a massive effect on the EU, I've said it before the EU is the only Empire building project that's acquired territorial gains and with that boosted its population and yet EU percentage of World trade has fallen from 32% in 1970's with six members to 13% with 27 members (taking into account the UK Leaving)

The excuse used to explain this is emerging markets, such as the BRICS countries. well doesn't that highlight the EU is not competing on a global scale and is losing out. the conditions are just not conductive and productive inside the protectionist walls of the EU. The alarm bells should be ringing at the EU HQ when even by their own admission 90% of future world growth with be outside the EU. This is meant to be the mother of all Union's to rival the United states of America. 28 nations, 480 million people. clout and influence on the world stage. well, reality and the figures say otherwise.

So what's going wrong, well nothing if you believe the EU Leadership all is well. really? Just listen to the EU presidents state of the Union speech, The EU proclaiming a bountiful harvest even before the harvesters have hit the fields and the first stems cut.  When was the last time the EU produced an Apple, a Microsoft or a Google or anything similar.

It's clear the UK needs to get back to its old stomping ground as a truly global trading nation. That includes trading with the EU but we could do no wrong in limiting our economic exposure to the EU as it continues down a turbulent path.

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On 1/14/2018 at 11:58 AM, Setton said:

Sounds like the last 40 years of leave campaigning... 

i.e. Or equivalent of just 12 months of the remain campaign.

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4 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Pronouncements, e.g. Trump's and Poland's, about the protectionist nature of the EU are exaggerated and usually driven by narrow nationalist interests. The issue is complex and the arguments presented here are simplistic. The EU, generally speaking, is no more protectionist than the US or most other countries. If the Brexiteers think the UK will not have to treat with 'third country' tariffs, regulation and protectionism they are deluded. They currently trade with dozens of 'third countries' through the EU. After Brexit they will have to negotiate a new trade agreement with each and every one them in the face of their individual national self-interest. The extremists want to walk away from their biggest trading partner - the EU - and into the warm embrace of the US! Good luck with that!

See my post  #1096

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56 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

i.e. Or equivalent of just 12 months of the remain campaign.

So you're happy with another 39 years of this?

Good to know. 

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12 minutes ago, Setton said:

So you're happy with another 39 years of this?

Good to know. 

Im surprised you think the EU has the legs to go another 39.  It'll be lucky to see beyond 2021 - 2025.

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4 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Im surprised you think the EU has the legs to go another 39.  It'll be lucky to see beyond 2021 - 2025.

No, but taking the leave approach, Remainers can keep b****ing about it for decades whether it's relevant or not  :P

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20 hours ago, Setton said:

No, but taking the leave approach, Remainers can keep b****ing about it for decades whether it's relevant or not  :P

Er...but they didn't keep banging on about it for 40 years did they. I think you'll find that the majority of people were fine with being in the EU when it was just about trade, but now people can see it's heading in a worrying direction, and that's why they voted out. 

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  • P.s.  And the only reason other member countries haven't left is because their governments (and Brussels) haven't let their people have a vote on it.
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1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Er...but they didn't keep banging on about it for 40 years did they. I think you'll find that the majority of people were fine with being in the EU when it was just about trade, but now people can see it's heading in a worrying direction, and that's why they voted out. 

At the time 1972 British application to the EEC, Secret British Govt papers stated it would take 40 years for the British Public to realise the implications, intent and destination of the European Project. Here we are 46 years later and the British people have cottoned on to the fact - where our EU membership is taking us. - when it comes to the remainers I guess it takes longer for some more than others.

 

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On the Negotiations. I see a few countries have broken ranks, The Netherlands, Spain and Italy with recent quotes from various finance ministers and even the Prime Minister of Italy saying the EU should conclude a tailor made deal with the UK. The Dutch and Spanish in a recent meeting between the two agreed it was in their interest to have a close trade deal with the UK. 

This has prompted the likes of French President Macron to remind members to remain disciplined and stick together, likewise the EU pulling rank by reminding members to keep 'a united front' a speech by Donald Tusk seen him mentioned 'unity' of the 27, seven times, and now apparently in his latest speech he as said the UK can "have a change of heart" and remain, this phrase as been carefully crafted and selected to appeal to the pro-EU supporters within the British Government, Parliament - plus the various movements set-up by the Tony Blair's of this world. Sir Clegg, Adonis, encouragement for them to overturn democracy in favour of us remaining part of the EU. He also carefully chooses to quote the UK's negotiator David Davis "If a Democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a Democracy"  This will be in response of the mooted "second referendum" another option in the EU's bid to once again over turn a vote that went against their wishes. The EU ratcheting up its soft-power influence to bring about a second vote. What we are also seeing here ladies and gentlemen is a panic setting in within the herd, the horses are spooked by the real prospect of Brexit, individual member governments now starting to brief off the record, seriously looking at their own interests. individual members ministers speaking out independently of the EU's official line.

Like i've said,  the clock is ticking for the EU. Its clear a No-Deal Brexit will take away a corner stone of the EU and it will make the whole thing unstable. Its time for the UK to cement its position. We've already got them to do what they said they wouldn't do, i.e Hold trade talks in parallel. They wanted phase 1 signed sealed and delivered before moving on. What happened? Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and now were onto phase 2. negotiating in parallel. We got them to do want we said all along. 

Its becoming clear over the last few days the EU number one concerned is regulatory alignment. and why is that? well simply put - competition - And that is why regulatory convergence is absolute vital to them. By use of regulatory means, the EU and the rEU 27 can keep not only competitors out of certain markets but, prevent the UK developing new markets, ideas and so on. If the UK were to discover some technological field in science, engineering or manufacturing or even trade deals that would give the UK the edge over competitors, you can bet that the rEU 27 will seek to either legislate and ban it or, create such a regulatory minefield that we would not only be unable to sell it to them. The EU had no way of how to prevent or influence this. - So what did the EU do? they weaponised the Irish Republic / Northern Ireland border,  they seen the opportunity and used the ROI as a pawn to be used to get the UK to sign up to regulatory alignment. (in the event of a no-deal) and the Irish thought the EU was representing their interests.

I've said it from the start leave the EU without a Deal, We wont have to pay them a penny pinch they'll instantly lose £39Billion "divorce payment", They'll lose our annual membership fee £18.9Billion (latest figure) plus £7Billion we collect in VAT on behalf of the EU. plus £5Billion we spend from our foreign Aid budget on EU aid programs. plus we have a trade deficit with the EU lets put WTO on EU imports to the UK and at least generate some revenue for the UK treasury. because as it stands we have to borrow every single penny of that £18.9Billion adding to the public debt while also facing £20Billion in austerity cuts. Its time to bring this 46 year nonsense to a end.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

On the Negotiations. I see a few countries have broken ranks, The Netherlands, Spain and Italy with recent quotes from various finance ministers and even the Prime Minister of Italy saying the EU should conclude a tailor made deal with the UK. The Dutch and Spanish in a recent meeting between the two agreed it was in their interest to have a close trade deal with the UK. 

This has prompted the likes of French President Macron to remind members to remain disciplined and stick together, likewise the EU pulling rank by reminding members to keep 'a united front' a speech by Donald Tusk seen him mentioned 'unity' of the 27, seven times, and now apparently in his latest speech he as said the UK can "have a change of heart" and remain, this phrase as been carefully crafted and selected to appeal to the pro-EU supporters within the British Government, Parliament - plus the various movements set-up by the Tony Blair's of this world. Sir Clegg, Adonis, encouragement for them to overturn democracy in favour of us remaining part of the EU. He also carefully chooses to quote the UK's negotiator David Davis "If a Democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a Democracy"  This will be in response of the mooted "second referendum" another option in the EU's bid to once again over turn a vote that went against their wishes. The EU ratcheting up its soft-power influence to bring about a second vote. What we are also seeing here ladies and gentlemen is a panic setting in within the herd, the horses are spooked by the real prospect of Brexit, individual member governments now starting to brief off the record, seriously looking at their own interests. individual members ministers speaking out independently of the EU's official line.

Like i've said,  the clock is ticking for the EU. Its clear a No-Deal Brexit will take away a corner stone of the EU and it will make the whole thing unstable. Its time for the UK to cement its position. We've already got them to do what they said they wouldn't do, i.e Hold trade talks in parallel. They wanted phase 1 signed sealed and delivered before moving on. What happened? Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and now were onto phase 2. negotiating in parallel. We got them to do want we said all along. 

Its becoming clear over the last few days the EU number one concerned is regulatory alignment. and why is that? well simply put - competition - And that is why regulatory convergence is absolute vital to them. By use of regulatory means, the EU and the rEU 27 can keep not only competitors out of certain markets but, prevent the UK developing new markets, ideas and so on. If the UK were to discover some technological field in science, engineering or manufacturing or even trade deals that would give the UK the edge over competitors, you can bet that the rEU 27 will seek to either legislate and ban it or, create such a regulatory minefield that we would not only be unable to sell it to them. The EU had no way of how to prevent or influence this. - So what did the EU do? they weaponised the Irish Republic / Northern Ireland border,  they seen the opportunity and used the ROI as a pawn to be used to get the UK to sign up to regulatory alignment. (in the event of a no-deal) and the Irish thought the EU was representing their interests.

I've said it from the start leave the EU without a Deal, We wont have to pay them a penny pinch they'll instantly lose £39Billion "divorce payment", They'll lose our annual membership fee £18.9Billion (latest figure) plus £7Billion we collect in VAT on behalf of the EU. plus £5Billion we spend from our foreign Aid budget on EU aid programs. plus we have a trade deficit with the EU lets put WTO on EU imports to the UK and at least generate some revenue for the UK treasury. because as it stands we have to borrow every single penny of that £18.9Billion adding to the public debt while also facing £20Billion in austerity cuts. Its time to bring this 46 year nonsense to a end.

Another excellent post Steve! Add to that the previously posted info re the Financial Services sector and I find it incredible that Remoaners still exist out there...Theirs is not an argument based in logic or financial acumen it is simply "fear" of, what is for them, the "Unknown World". The world is so much bigger than the EU, and the opportunities to explore outside of their "comfort zone" and to engage with the ever faster growing world should invigorate them-not scare them.

 

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17 minutes ago, keithisco said:

Another excellent post Steve! Add to that the previously posted info re the Financial Services sector and I find it incredible that Remoaners still exist out there...Theirs is not an argument based in logic or financial acumen it is simply "fear" of, what is for them, the "Unknown World". The world is so much bigger than the EU, and the opportunities to explore outside of their "comfort zone" and to engage with the ever faster growing world should invigorate them-not scare them.

 

They've been demoralised over the years to such an extent they believe we as a country cant do nothing for ourselves and their only to happy to accept that malaise.

A perfect example of how we've been demoralised as a country is when we won the London Olympics 2012 after seeing the Chinese effort jesus, ours is going to be crap everyone was saying, especially the opening ceremony and what happened instead of trying to out do the Chinese we done our own thing and we told the epic story of our nation, and we were left open mouthed in astonishment just how brilliant the whole thing was and now we look back with a pride and self belief from the opening ceremony to medals won to what was one of the best Olympics ever.

and that's what we need with Brexit, the self belief, the confidence that we are 65million people, we are the United Kingdom and our song is not yet sung. 

 

 

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Well, billionaire progressive ideological speculator and Bond villain come to life George Soros seems a little pessimistic about the future of the EU ... :( 

The progressive billionaire speculator George Soros has said he will ‘fight back’ against the “dominant ideology” of nationalism, whilst admitting that favoured globalist project the European Union is “on the verge of a breakdown”.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/15/soros-dominant-ideology-nationalism-eu-verge-breakdown/

The open borders financier blames Russian hackers for attacks against him in 2016, 

For once, I think he may well be right, considering that he's openly called for the overthrow of Russia's Tyrant Putin by armed force. :unsure: 

 

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...following on with the Soros influence over the EU; below is the complete list of affiliates of Soros in the EU Parliament (alphabetic, with Nationality and EU Group to which they belong) as published by his own organisation and foundation. 

Remember: this is JUST ONE MAN exerting power over 500Million people!!!!

 

ADAKTUSSON Lars (Sweden, EPP) ....................................................... 110

ALBIOL GUZMÁN Marina (Spain, GUE/NGL) ....................................... 98

ALBRECHT Jan Philipp (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................. 38

ALI Nedzhmi (Bulgaria, ALDE) ..................................................................... 11

ALLIOT-MARIE Michèle (France, EPP) .................................................... 29

ANDERSON Martina (United Kingdom, GUE/NGL) ........................ 117

ARENA Maria (Belgium, S&D) ......................................................................... 5

AUKEN Margrete (Denmark, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 22

AUŠTREVIČIUS Petras (Lithuania, ALDE) .............................................. 69

BALAS Guillaume (France, S&D) ................................................................. 30

BAYET Hugues (Belgium, S&D) ...................................................................... 6

BEARDER Catherine (United Kingdom, ALDE) ................................. 118

BENIFEI Brando Maria (Italy, S&D) ........................................................... 62

BILBAO BARANDICA Izaskun (Spain, ALDE) ....................................... 98

BJÖRK Malin (Sweden, GUE/NGL) ......................................................... 111

BORZAN Biljana (Croatia, S&D) ................................................................. 15

BOYLAN Lynn (Ireland, GUE/NGL) ........................................................... 59

BRANNEN Paul (United Kingdom, S&D) .............................................. 118

BROK Elmar (Germany, EPP) ....................................................................... 38

BUCHNER Klaus (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 39

BUDA Daniel (Romania, EPP) ...................................................................... 88

CADEC Alain (France, EPP) .......................................................................... 30

CAVADA Jean-Marie (France, EPP) .......................................................... 31

CEBALLOS Bodil (Sweden, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 111

CHRYSOGONOS Kostas (Greece, GUE/NGL) ...................................... 54

COFFERATI Sergio Gaetano (Italy, S&D) ................................................ 62

COMODINI CACHIA Therese (Malta, EPP) ........................................... 72

CORAZZA BILDT Anna Maria (Sweden, EPP) ................................... 112

COUSO PERMUY Javier (Spain, GUE/NGL) .......................................... 99

COZZOLINO Andrea (Italy, S&D) .............................................................. 63

CRAMER Michael (Germany, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 39

CREŢU Corina (Romania, S&D) ................................................................... 88

CRISTEA Andi-Lucian (Romania, S&D) ..................................................... 89

DALLI Miriam (Malta, S&D) .......................................................................... 73

DANCE Seb (United Kingdom, S&D) ...................................................... 119

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de JONG Dennis (Netherlands, GUE/NGL) ............................................ 74

DE MASI Fabio (Germany, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 40

DE MONTE Isabella (Italy, S&D) ................................................................. 63

DE SARNEZ Marielle (France, ALDE) ....................................................... 31

DELLI Karima (France, Greens/EFA) ......................................................... 32

DELVAUX-STEHRES Mady (Luxembourg, S&D) .................................. 70

DEMESMAEKER Mark (Belgium, ECR) ....................................................... 6

DEPREZ Gérard (Belgium, ALDE) ................................................................. 7

DÍAZ DE MERA GARCÍA CONSUEGRA Agustín (Spain, EPP) ....... 99

DLABAJOVÁ Martina (Czech Republic, ALDE) .................................... 20

DODDS Anneliese (United Kingdom, S&D) ......................................... 119

DRĂGHICI Damian (Romania, S&D) .......................................................... 89

ENGEL Frank (Luxembourg, EPP) .............................................................. 71

ERIKSSON Peter (Sweden, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 112

ERNST Cornelia (Germany, GUE/NGL) .................................................... 40

ERTUG Ismail (Germany, S&D) .................................................................... 41

ESTARÀS FERRAGUT Rosa (Spain, EPP) .............................................. 100

FAJON Tanja (Slovenia, S&D) ...................................................................... 96

FEDERLEY Fredrick (Sweden, ALDE) .................................................... 113

FERREIRA Elisa (Poland, S&D) ..................................................................... 84

FERREIRA João (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 83

FISAS AYXELA Santiago (Spain, EPP) .................................................... 100

FJELLNER Christofer (Sweden, EPP) ..................................................... 113

FLAŠÍKOVÁ BEŇOVÁ Monika (Slovakia, S&D) .................................... 94

FLECKENSTEIN Knut (Germany, S&D) .................................................... 41

FREUND Eugen (Austria, S&D) ...................................................................... 1

GABRIEL Mariya (Bulgaria, EPP) ................................................................ 12

GARCÍA-PÉREZ Iratxe (Spain, S&D) ...................................................... 101

GARDIAZÁBAL RUBIAL Eider (Spain, S&D) ....................................... 101

GEBHARDT Evelyne (Germany, S&D) ...................................................... 42

GENTILE Elena (Italy, S&D) ........................................................................... 64

GERINGER de OEDENBERG Lidia Joanna (Poland, S&D) ................ 80

GIEGOLD Sven (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................................. 42

GLEZOS Emmanouil (Greece, GUE/NGL) ............................................... 54

GOERENS Charles (Luxembourg, ALDE) ................................................ 71

GOMES Ana (Portugal, S&D) ........................................................................ 84

GOULARD Sylvie (France, ALDE) .............................................................. 32

GROOTE Matthias (Germany, S&D) ......................................................... 43

GRZYB Andrzej (Poland, EPP) ..................................................................... 80

GUALTIERI Roberto (Italy, S&D) ................................................................ 64

GUERRERO SALOM Enrique (Spain, S&D) ......................................... 102

GUILLAUME Sylvie (France, S&D) ............................................................. 33

GUTIÉRREZ PRIETO Sergio (Spain, S&D) ............................................ 102

HADJIGEORGIOU Takis (Cyprus, GUE/NGL) ...................................... 18

HÄNDEL Thomas (Germany, GUE/NGL) ................................................ 43

HARKIN Marian (Ireland, ALDE) ................................................................ 59

HARMS Rebecca (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 44

HAUTALA Heidi (Finland, Greens/EFA) .................................................. 25

HAYES Brian (Ireland, EPP) .......................................................................... 60

HEUBUCH Maria (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................ 44

HOFFMANN Iris (Germany, S&D) ............................................................. 45

HÖKMARK Gunnar (Sweden, EPP) ........................................................ 114

HOWITT Richard (United Kingdom, S&D) ........................................... 120

HYUSMENOVA Filiz (Bulgaria, ALDE) ..................................................... 12

IGLESIAS Pablo (Spain, GUE/NGL) ......................................................... 103

in 't VELD Sophie (Netherlands, ALDE) .................................................... 75

IOTOVA Iliana (Bulgaria, S&D) .................................................................... 13

JADOT Yannick (France, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 33

JAKOVČIĆ Ivan (Croatia, ALDE) ................................................................ 16

JAZŁOWIECKA Danuta (Poland, EPP) .................................................... 81

JOLY Eva (France, Greens/EFA) ................................................................. 34

JONGERIUS Agnes (Netherlands, S&D) .................................................. 75

KALLAS Kaja (Estonia, ALDE) ...................................................................... 24

KAMALL Syed (United Kingdom, ECR) ................................................. 120

KARI Rina Ronja (Denmark, GUE/NGL) ................................................... 22

KARIM Sajjad (United Kingdom, ECR) ................................................... 121

KATROUGKALOS Georgios (Greece, GUE/NGL) ............................... 55

KELLER Franziska (Germany, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 45

KELLY Séan (Ireland, EPP) ............................................................................. 60

KHAN Afzal (United Kingdom, S&D) ...................................................... 121

KIRKHOPE Timothy (United Kingdom, ECR) ..................................... 122

KIRTON-DARLING Jude (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................ 122

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KOVATCHEV Andrey (Bulgaria, EPP) ...................................................... 13

KOZŁOWSKA-RAJEWICZ Agnieszka (Poland, EPP) ......................... 81

KREHL Constanze (Germany, S&D) .......................................................... 46

KUMPULA-NATRI Miapetra (Finland, S&D) ......................................... 26

KYENGE Kashetu (Italy, S&D) ..................................................................... 65

KYRKOS Miltiadis (Greece, S&D) ............................................................... 55

KYUCHYUK Ilhan (Bulgaria, ALDE) .......................................................... 14

LAMASSOURE Alain (France, EPP) ........................................................... 34

LAMBERT Jean (United Kingdom, Greens/EFA) ............................... 123

LAMBERTS Philippe (Belgium, Greens/EFA) ............................................ 7

LAMBSDORFF Alexander Graf (Germany, ALDE) .............................. 46

LANGE Bernd (Germany, S&D) ................................................................... 47

LEINEN Jo (Germany, S&D) .......................................................................... 47

LIBERADZKI Bogusław (Poland, S&D) ..................................................... 82

LOCHBIHLER Barbara (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................. 48

LÓPEZ Paloma (Spain, GUE/NGL) ........................................................... 103

LÓPEZ AGUILAR Juan Fernando (Spain, S&D) .................................. 104

LÖSING Sabine (Germany, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 48

LUDVIGSSON Olle (Sweden, S&D) ......................................................... 114

LUNACEK Ulrike (Austria, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 2

MACOVEI Monica (Romania, EPP) ............................................................ 90

MARTIN David (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................... 123

MARTIN Édouard (France, S&D) ................................................................ 35

MAŠTÁLKA Jiří (Czech Republic, GUE/NGL) ......................................... 21

MATIAS Marisa (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 85

MAURA BARANDIARÁN Fernando (Spain, ALDE) ......................... 104

McAVAN Linda (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................... 124

McGUINNESS Mairead (Ireland, EPP) ...................................................... 61

McINTYRE Anthea (United Kingdom, ECR) ........................................ 124

MESZERICS Tamás (Hungary, Greens/EFA) .......................................... 57

METSOLA Roberta (Malta, EPP) ................................................................. 73

MICHEL Louis (Belgium, ALDE) ..................................................................... 8

MIHAYLOVA Iskra (Bulgaria, ALDE) ........................................................ 14

MINEUR Anne-Marie (Netherlands, GUE/NGL) .................................. 76

MLINAR Angelika (Austria, ALDE) ................................................................ 2

MOISĂ Ionel-Sorin (Romania, S&D) .......................................................... 90

MOODY Clare (United Kingdom, S&D) ................................................ 125

MORAES Claude (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................ 125

MORGANO Luigi (Italy, S&D) ...................................................................... 65

MORIN-CHARTIER Elisabeth (France, EPP) ......................................... 35

MOSCA Alessia Maria (Italy, S&D) ............................................................ 66

NART Javier (Spain, ALDE) ........................................................................ 105

NEUSER Norbert (Germany, S&D) ............................................................ 49

NEYTS-UYTTEBROECK Annemie (Belgium, ALDE) .............................. 8

NICOLAI Norica (Romania, ALDE) ............................................................. 91

NIEDERMÜLLER Péter (Hungary, S&D) .................................................. 58

NILSSON Jens (Sweden, S&D) .................................................................. 115

OMARJEE Younous (France, GUE/NGL) ................................................. 36

PAGAZAURTUNDÚA RUIZ Maite (Spain, ALDE) ............................ 105

PANZERI Pier Antonio (Italy, S&D) ........................................................... 66

PAPADIMOULIS Dimitrios (Greece, GUE/NGL) ................................. 56

PAŞCU Ioan Mircea (Romania, S&D) ........................................................ 91

PICULA Tonino (Croatia, S&D) .................................................................... 16

PIETIKÄINEN Sirpa (Finland, EPP) ............................................................ 26

PIRI Kati (Netherlands, S&D) ....................................................................... 76

PITTELLA Gianni (Italy, S&D) ....................................................................... 67

POST Soraya (Sweden, S&D) ..................................................................... 115

PREDA Cristian Dan (Romania, EPP) ........................................................ 92

RADOŠ Jozo (Croatia, ALDE) ....................................................................... 17

REDA Julia (Germany, Greens/EFA) ......................................................... 49

REGNER Evelyn (Austria, S&D) ...................................................................... 3

REHN Olli (Finland, ALDE) ............................................................................ 27

REIMON Michel (Austria, Greens/EFA) ..................................................... 3

REINTKE Terry (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................................ 50

REVAULT D'ALLONNES BONNEFOY Christine (France, S&D) .... 36

RODRIGUES Liliana (Portugal, S&D) ........................................................ 85

RODRIGUES Maria João (Portugal, S&D) ............................................... 86

RODRIGUEZ-RUBIO VÁZQUEZ Tere (Spain, GUE/NGL) ............ 106

ROLIN Claude (Belgium, EPP) ......................................................................... 9

SAKORAFA Sofia (Greece, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 56

SÁNCHEZ CALDENTEY Lola (Spain, GUE/NGL) .............................. 106

SARGENTINI Judith (Netherlands, Greens/EFA) ................................ 77

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SARVAMAA Petri (Finland, EPP) ................................................................ 27

SCHAAKE Marietje (Netherlands, ALDE) ............................................... 77

SCHLEIN Elena Ethel (Italy, S&D) ............................................................... 67

SCHOLZ Helmut (Germany, GUE/NGL) .................................................. 50

SCHULZ Martin (Germany, S&D) ............................................................... 51

SCOTT CATO Molly (United Kingdom, Greens/EFA) ..................... 126

SEBASTIÀ Jordi (Spain, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 107

SIMON Peter (Germany, S&D) .................................................................... 51

SIPPEL Birgit (Germany, S&D) ..................................................................... 52

ŠKRLEC Davor (Croatia, Greens/EFA) ..................................................... 17

SMOLKOVÁ Monika (Slovakia, S&D) ....................................................... 95

SPINELLI Barbara (Italy, GUE/NGL) .......................................................... 68

STEINRUCK Jutta (Germany, S&D) ........................................................... 52

SWINBURNE Kay (United Kingdom, ECR) .......................................... 126

SYLIKIOTIS Neoklis (Cyprus, GUE/NGL) ................................................ 19

TANNOCK Charles (United Kingdom, ECR) ....................................... 127

TARABELLA Marc (Belgium, S&D) ................................................................ 9

TERRICABRAS Josep-Maria (Spain, Greens/EFA) ........................... 107

THEOCHAROUS Eleni (Cyprus, EPP) ....................................................... 19

THUN UND HOHENSTEIN Róża Gräfin von (Poland, EPP) ............ 82

TOOM Yana (Estonia, ALDE) ........................................................................ 24

TØRNÆS Ulla (Denmark, ALDE) ................................................................ 23

TREMOSA i BALCELLS Ramon (Spain, ALDE) .................................... 108

ULVSKOG Marita (Sweden, S&D) ........................................................... 116

URTASUN Ernest (Spain, Greens/EFA) ................................................. 108

VAJGL Ivo (Slovenia, ALDE) .......................................................................... 97

VĂLEAN Adina-Ioana (Romania, EPP) ...................................................... 92

VALENCIANO MARTÍNEZ-OROZCO Elena (Spain, S&D) ........... 109

VALLINA Ángela (Spain, GUE/NGL) ....................................................... 109

van BAALEN Johannes (Netherlands, ALDE) ........................................ 78

VAN BREMPT Kathleen (Belgium, S&D) ................................................. 10

van NIEUWENHUIZEN Cora (Netherlands, ALDE) ............................ 78

van NISTELROOIJ Lambert (Netherlands, EPP) .................................. 79

VANA Monika (Austria, Greens/EFA) .......................................................... 4

VÄYRYNEN Paavo (Finland, ALDE) ........................................................... 28

VERGIAT Marie-Christine (France, GUE/NGL) .................................... 37

VERHOFSTADT Guy (Belgium, ALDE) ..................................................... 10

VIEGAS Miguel (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 86

VIOTTI Daniele (Italy, S&D) .......................................................................... 68

VIRKKUNEN Henna (Finland, EPP) ........................................................... 28

WEBER Renate (Romania, EPP) .................................................................. 93

WEIDENHOLZER Josef (Austria, S&D) ...................................................... 4

WIKSTRÖM Cecilia (Sweden, ALDE) ..................................................... 116

WINKLER Iuliu (Romania, EPP) ................................................................... 93

ZALA Boris (Slovakia, S&D) ........................................................................... 95

ZIMMER Gabriele (Germany, GUE/NGL) ............................................... 53

ZUBER Inês Cristina (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ............................................ 87

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These are all the people he's got in his pay? And how come we've never heard of any of these people from the Uk, such as Jude Kirton-Darling? 

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10 minutes ago, keithisco said:

VERHOFSTADT Guy (Belgium)

is one I recognise; he's a leading Brexit-blocker isn't he? 

(Did you know his middle names are Marie Louise? :huh: Do you think his parents were hoping for a girl? )

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4 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

These are all the people he's got in his pay? And how come we've never heard of any of these people from the Uk, such as Jude Kirton-Darling? 

Judith Kirton-Darling is a British Member of the European Parliament for the North East England region for the Labour Party. She was elected in 2014-Wikipedia

I never knew who she was either!

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And she's one of Soros' paid minions? :hmm: Does Jezzer Corbyn now? 

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16 hours ago, keithisco said:

...following on with the Soros influence over the EU; below is the complete list of affiliates of Soros in the EU Parliament (alphabetic, with Nationality and EU Group to which they belong) as published by his own organisation and foundation. 

Remember: this is JUST ONE MAN exerting power over 500Million people!!!!

 

ADAKTUSSON Lars (Sweden, EPP) ....................................................... 110

ALBIOL GUZMÁN Marina (Spain, GUE/NGL) ....................................... 98

ALBRECHT Jan Philipp (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................. 38

ALI Nedzhmi (Bulgaria, ALDE) ..................................................................... 11

ALLIOT-MARIE Michèle (France, EPP) .................................................... 29

ANDERSON Martina (United Kingdom, GUE/NGL) ........................ 117

ARENA Maria (Belgium, S&D) ......................................................................... 5

AUKEN Margrete (Denmark, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 22

AUŠTREVIČIUS Petras (Lithuania, ALDE) .............................................. 69

BALAS Guillaume (France, S&D) ................................................................. 30

BAYET Hugues (Belgium, S&D) ...................................................................... 6

BEARDER Catherine (United Kingdom, ALDE) ................................. 118

BENIFEI Brando Maria (Italy, S&D) ........................................................... 62

BILBAO BARANDICA Izaskun (Spain, ALDE) ....................................... 98

BJÖRK Malin (Sweden, GUE/NGL) ......................................................... 111

BORZAN Biljana (Croatia, S&D) ................................................................. 15

BOYLAN Lynn (Ireland, GUE/NGL) ........................................................... 59

BRANNEN Paul (United Kingdom, S&D) .............................................. 118

BROK Elmar (Germany, EPP) ....................................................................... 38

BUCHNER Klaus (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 39

BUDA Daniel (Romania, EPP) ...................................................................... 88

CADEC Alain (France, EPP) .......................................................................... 30

CAVADA Jean-Marie (France, EPP) .......................................................... 31

CEBALLOS Bodil (Sweden, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 111

CHRYSOGONOS Kostas (Greece, GUE/NGL) ...................................... 54

COFFERATI Sergio Gaetano (Italy, S&D) ................................................ 62

COMODINI CACHIA Therese (Malta, EPP) ........................................... 72

CORAZZA BILDT Anna Maria (Sweden, EPP) ................................... 112

COUSO PERMUY Javier (Spain, GUE/NGL) .......................................... 99

COZZOLINO Andrea (Italy, S&D) .............................................................. 63

CRAMER Michael (Germany, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 39

CREŢU Corina (Romania, S&D) ................................................................... 88

CRISTEA Andi-Lucian (Romania, S&D) ..................................................... 89

DALLI Miriam (Malta, S&D) .......................................................................... 73

DANCE Seb (United Kingdom, S&D) ...................................................... 119

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de JONG Dennis (Netherlands, GUE/NGL) ............................................ 74

DE MASI Fabio (Germany, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 40

DE MONTE Isabella (Italy, S&D) ................................................................. 63

DE SARNEZ Marielle (France, ALDE) ....................................................... 31

DELLI Karima (France, Greens/EFA) ......................................................... 32

DELVAUX-STEHRES Mady (Luxembourg, S&D) .................................. 70

DEMESMAEKER Mark (Belgium, ECR) ....................................................... 6

DEPREZ Gérard (Belgium, ALDE) ................................................................. 7

DÍAZ DE MERA GARCÍA CONSUEGRA Agustín (Spain, EPP) ....... 99

DLABAJOVÁ Martina (Czech Republic, ALDE) .................................... 20

DODDS Anneliese (United Kingdom, S&D) ......................................... 119

DRĂGHICI Damian (Romania, S&D) .......................................................... 89

ENGEL Frank (Luxembourg, EPP) .............................................................. 71

ERIKSSON Peter (Sweden, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 112

ERNST Cornelia (Germany, GUE/NGL) .................................................... 40

ERTUG Ismail (Germany, S&D) .................................................................... 41

ESTARÀS FERRAGUT Rosa (Spain, EPP) .............................................. 100

FAJON Tanja (Slovenia, S&D) ...................................................................... 96

FEDERLEY Fredrick (Sweden, ALDE) .................................................... 113

FERREIRA Elisa (Poland, S&D) ..................................................................... 84

FERREIRA João (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 83

FISAS AYXELA Santiago (Spain, EPP) .................................................... 100

FJELLNER Christofer (Sweden, EPP) ..................................................... 113

FLAŠÍKOVÁ BEŇOVÁ Monika (Slovakia, S&D) .................................... 94

FLECKENSTEIN Knut (Germany, S&D) .................................................... 41

FREUND Eugen (Austria, S&D) ...................................................................... 1

GABRIEL Mariya (Bulgaria, EPP) ................................................................ 12

GARCÍA-PÉREZ Iratxe (Spain, S&D) ...................................................... 101

GARDIAZÁBAL RUBIAL Eider (Spain, S&D) ....................................... 101

GEBHARDT Evelyne (Germany, S&D) ...................................................... 42

GENTILE Elena (Italy, S&D) ........................................................................... 64

GERINGER de OEDENBERG Lidia Joanna (Poland, S&D) ................ 80

GIEGOLD Sven (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................................. 42

GLEZOS Emmanouil (Greece, GUE/NGL) ............................................... 54

GOERENS Charles (Luxembourg, ALDE) ................................................ 71

GOMES Ana (Portugal, S&D) ........................................................................ 84

GOULARD Sylvie (France, ALDE) .............................................................. 32

GROOTE Matthias (Germany, S&D) ......................................................... 43

GRZYB Andrzej (Poland, EPP) ..................................................................... 80

GUALTIERI Roberto (Italy, S&D) ................................................................ 64

GUERRERO SALOM Enrique (Spain, S&D) ......................................... 102

GUILLAUME Sylvie (France, S&D) ............................................................. 33

GUTIÉRREZ PRIETO Sergio (Spain, S&D) ............................................ 102

HADJIGEORGIOU Takis (Cyprus, GUE/NGL) ...................................... 18

HÄNDEL Thomas (Germany, GUE/NGL) ................................................ 43

HARKIN Marian (Ireland, ALDE) ................................................................ 59

HARMS Rebecca (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................. 44

HAUTALA Heidi (Finland, Greens/EFA) .................................................. 25

HAYES Brian (Ireland, EPP) .......................................................................... 60

HEUBUCH Maria (Germany, Greens/EFA) ............................................ 44

HOFFMANN Iris (Germany, S&D) ............................................................. 45

HÖKMARK Gunnar (Sweden, EPP) ........................................................ 114

HOWITT Richard (United Kingdom, S&D) ........................................... 120

HYUSMENOVA Filiz (Bulgaria, ALDE) ..................................................... 12

IGLESIAS Pablo (Spain, GUE/NGL) ......................................................... 103

in 't VELD Sophie (Netherlands, ALDE) .................................................... 75

IOTOVA Iliana (Bulgaria, S&D) .................................................................... 13

JADOT Yannick (France, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 33

JAKOVČIĆ Ivan (Croatia, ALDE) ................................................................ 16

JAZŁOWIECKA Danuta (Poland, EPP) .................................................... 81

JOLY Eva (France, Greens/EFA) ................................................................. 34

JONGERIUS Agnes (Netherlands, S&D) .................................................. 75

KALLAS Kaja (Estonia, ALDE) ...................................................................... 24

KAMALL Syed (United Kingdom, ECR) ................................................. 120

KARI Rina Ronja (Denmark, GUE/NGL) ................................................... 22

KARIM Sajjad (United Kingdom, ECR) ................................................... 121

KATROUGKALOS Georgios (Greece, GUE/NGL) ............................... 55

KELLER Franziska (Germany, Greens/EFA) ........................................... 45

KELLY Séan (Ireland, EPP) ............................................................................. 60

KHAN Afzal (United Kingdom, S&D) ...................................................... 121

KIRKHOPE Timothy (United Kingdom, ECR) ..................................... 122

KIRTON-DARLING Jude (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................ 122

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KOVATCHEV Andrey (Bulgaria, EPP) ...................................................... 13

KOZŁOWSKA-RAJEWICZ Agnieszka (Poland, EPP) ......................... 81

KREHL Constanze (Germany, S&D) .......................................................... 46

KUMPULA-NATRI Miapetra (Finland, S&D) ......................................... 26

KYENGE Kashetu (Italy, S&D) ..................................................................... 65

KYRKOS Miltiadis (Greece, S&D) ............................................................... 55

KYUCHYUK Ilhan (Bulgaria, ALDE) .......................................................... 14

LAMASSOURE Alain (France, EPP) ........................................................... 34

LAMBERT Jean (United Kingdom, Greens/EFA) ............................... 123

LAMBERTS Philippe (Belgium, Greens/EFA) ............................................ 7

LAMBSDORFF Alexander Graf (Germany, ALDE) .............................. 46

LANGE Bernd (Germany, S&D) ................................................................... 47

LEINEN Jo (Germany, S&D) .......................................................................... 47

LIBERADZKI Bogusław (Poland, S&D) ..................................................... 82

LOCHBIHLER Barbara (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................. 48

LÓPEZ Paloma (Spain, GUE/NGL) ........................................................... 103

LÓPEZ AGUILAR Juan Fernando (Spain, S&D) .................................. 104

LÖSING Sabine (Germany, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 48

LUDVIGSSON Olle (Sweden, S&D) ......................................................... 114

LUNACEK Ulrike (Austria, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 2

MACOVEI Monica (Romania, EPP) ............................................................ 90

MARTIN David (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................... 123

MARTIN Édouard (France, S&D) ................................................................ 35

MAŠTÁLKA Jiří (Czech Republic, GUE/NGL) ......................................... 21

MATIAS Marisa (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 85

MAURA BARANDIARÁN Fernando (Spain, ALDE) ......................... 104

McAVAN Linda (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................... 124

McGUINNESS Mairead (Ireland, EPP) ...................................................... 61

McINTYRE Anthea (United Kingdom, ECR) ........................................ 124

MESZERICS Tamás (Hungary, Greens/EFA) .......................................... 57

METSOLA Roberta (Malta, EPP) ................................................................. 73

MICHEL Louis (Belgium, ALDE) ..................................................................... 8

MIHAYLOVA Iskra (Bulgaria, ALDE) ........................................................ 14

MINEUR Anne-Marie (Netherlands, GUE/NGL) .................................. 76

MLINAR Angelika (Austria, ALDE) ................................................................ 2

MOISĂ Ionel-Sorin (Romania, S&D) .......................................................... 90

MOODY Clare (United Kingdom, S&D) ................................................ 125

MORAES Claude (United Kingdom, S&D) ............................................ 125

MORGANO Luigi (Italy, S&D) ...................................................................... 65

MORIN-CHARTIER Elisabeth (France, EPP) ......................................... 35

MOSCA Alessia Maria (Italy, S&D) ............................................................ 66

NART Javier (Spain, ALDE) ........................................................................ 105

NEUSER Norbert (Germany, S&D) ............................................................ 49

NEYTS-UYTTEBROECK Annemie (Belgium, ALDE) .............................. 8

NICOLAI Norica (Romania, ALDE) ............................................................. 91

NIEDERMÜLLER Péter (Hungary, S&D) .................................................. 58

NILSSON Jens (Sweden, S&D) .................................................................. 115

OMARJEE Younous (France, GUE/NGL) ................................................. 36

PAGAZAURTUNDÚA RUIZ Maite (Spain, ALDE) ............................ 105

PANZERI Pier Antonio (Italy, S&D) ........................................................... 66

PAPADIMOULIS Dimitrios (Greece, GUE/NGL) ................................. 56

PAŞCU Ioan Mircea (Romania, S&D) ........................................................ 91

PICULA Tonino (Croatia, S&D) .................................................................... 16

PIETIKÄINEN Sirpa (Finland, EPP) ............................................................ 26

PIRI Kati (Netherlands, S&D) ....................................................................... 76

PITTELLA Gianni (Italy, S&D) ....................................................................... 67

POST Soraya (Sweden, S&D) ..................................................................... 115

PREDA Cristian Dan (Romania, EPP) ........................................................ 92

RADOŠ Jozo (Croatia, ALDE) ....................................................................... 17

REDA Julia (Germany, Greens/EFA) ......................................................... 49

REGNER Evelyn (Austria, S&D) ...................................................................... 3

REHN Olli (Finland, ALDE) ............................................................................ 27

REIMON Michel (Austria, Greens/EFA) ..................................................... 3

REINTKE Terry (Germany, Greens/EFA) ................................................ 50

REVAULT D'ALLONNES BONNEFOY Christine (France, S&D) .... 36

RODRIGUES Liliana (Portugal, S&D) ........................................................ 85

RODRIGUES Maria João (Portugal, S&D) ............................................... 86

RODRIGUEZ-RUBIO VÁZQUEZ Tere (Spain, GUE/NGL) ............ 106

ROLIN Claude (Belgium, EPP) ......................................................................... 9

SAKORAFA Sofia (Greece, GUE/NGL) ..................................................... 56

SÁNCHEZ CALDENTEY Lola (Spain, GUE/NGL) .............................. 106

SARGENTINI Judith (Netherlands, Greens/EFA) ................................ 77

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SARVAMAA Petri (Finland, EPP) ................................................................ 27

SCHAAKE Marietje (Netherlands, ALDE) ............................................... 77

SCHLEIN Elena Ethel (Italy, S&D) ............................................................... 67

SCHOLZ Helmut (Germany, GUE/NGL) .................................................. 50

SCHULZ Martin (Germany, S&D) ............................................................... 51

SCOTT CATO Molly (United Kingdom, Greens/EFA) ..................... 126

SEBASTIÀ Jordi (Spain, Greens/EFA) .................................................... 107

SIMON Peter (Germany, S&D) .................................................................... 51

SIPPEL Birgit (Germany, S&D) ..................................................................... 52

ŠKRLEC Davor (Croatia, Greens/EFA) ..................................................... 17

SMOLKOVÁ Monika (Slovakia, S&D) ....................................................... 95

SPINELLI Barbara (Italy, GUE/NGL) .......................................................... 68

STEINRUCK Jutta (Germany, S&D) ........................................................... 52

SWINBURNE Kay (United Kingdom, ECR) .......................................... 126

SYLIKIOTIS Neoklis (Cyprus, GUE/NGL) ................................................ 19

TANNOCK Charles (United Kingdom, ECR) ....................................... 127

TARABELLA Marc (Belgium, S&D) ................................................................ 9

TERRICABRAS Josep-Maria (Spain, Greens/EFA) ........................... 107

THEOCHAROUS Eleni (Cyprus, EPP) ....................................................... 19

THUN UND HOHENSTEIN Róża Gräfin von (Poland, EPP) ............ 82

TOOM Yana (Estonia, ALDE) ........................................................................ 24

TØRNÆS Ulla (Denmark, ALDE) ................................................................ 23

TREMOSA i BALCELLS Ramon (Spain, ALDE) .................................... 108

ULVSKOG Marita (Sweden, S&D) ........................................................... 116

URTASUN Ernest (Spain, Greens/EFA) ................................................. 108

VAJGL Ivo (Slovenia, ALDE) .......................................................................... 97

VĂLEAN Adina-Ioana (Romania, EPP) ...................................................... 92

VALENCIANO MARTÍNEZ-OROZCO Elena (Spain, S&D) ........... 109

VALLINA Ángela (Spain, GUE/NGL) ....................................................... 109

van BAALEN Johannes (Netherlands, ALDE) ........................................ 78

VAN BREMPT Kathleen (Belgium, S&D) ................................................. 10

van NIEUWENHUIZEN Cora (Netherlands, ALDE) ............................ 78

van NISTELROOIJ Lambert (Netherlands, EPP) .................................. 79

VANA Monika (Austria, Greens/EFA) .......................................................... 4

VÄYRYNEN Paavo (Finland, ALDE) ........................................................... 28

VERGIAT Marie-Christine (France, GUE/NGL) .................................... 37

VERHOFSTADT Guy (Belgium, ALDE) ..................................................... 10

VIEGAS Miguel (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ...................................................... 86

VIOTTI Daniele (Italy, S&D) .......................................................................... 68

VIRKKUNEN Henna (Finland, EPP) ........................................................... 28

WEBER Renate (Romania, EPP) .................................................................. 93

WEIDENHOLZER Josef (Austria, S&D) ...................................................... 4

WIKSTRÖM Cecilia (Sweden, ALDE) ..................................................... 116

WINKLER Iuliu (Romania, EPP) ................................................................... 93

ZALA Boris (Slovakia, S&D) ........................................................................... 95

ZIMMER Gabriele (Germany, GUE/NGL) ............................................... 53

ZUBER Inês Cristina (Portugal, GUE/NGL) ............................................ 87

Some conspiracy theory!! I note that this list includes the following Conservatives:

Timothy Kirkhope - Conservative MEP and Chairman of the  EU Parliaments Conservative & Reformists group and of the Conservatives Friends of Israel.  

Syed Kamall - Conservative MEP and Co-Chairman of the EU Parliaments Conservative & Reformists group and plays a prominent role on the EU's Economic, Monetary, Legal and International Trade committees!!

Anthea McIntyre - Deputy Chaiman of the Conservative Party.

Kay Swinburne - Conservative MEP and Vice-Chair of the EU Committee on Economic & Monetary Affairs!!!

Sajjid Karim - Conservative MEP Spokesperson in the EU Parliament on Legal Affairs, WTO, South Asian Trade and EU-India Trade.

The topic of trade agreements came up here recently. There are over 190 countries in the world. Over the past 45 years the UK has developed and made trade agreements with virtually every country in the world through the EU (except for those in the EU). What now is proposed is that it should renegotiate its trade arrangements with the EU and, following that, with the non-EU or 'third countries' of the world. That is a gargantuan task. The most expedient way to do this is just to take the existing agreements it has through the EU with over 150 countries and replace the the term 'EU' with 'UK'. But that is to carry on as before and defeats the purpose of Brexit. Therefore ALL  existing trade agreements, 150 plus, must be renegotiated from scratch and every single country will want better terms than they already have with the UK through the EU. As I said before, good luck with that! I can't see any of them accepting worse terms. 

I know I am opposed to Brexit but, on a personal level, I am not a UK citizen and I could care less as it won't effect me or my family at all. I realize that it will adversely effect Ireland but it will be the making of us also. It will force us to dramatically readjust our economic relationship with the UK. We will have to develop our southern ports to facilitate exports directly to the continent which is infinitely cheaper than road-freighting them across the UK (who will now likely be taxing Irish goods in transit after Brexit anyway). I think we will also benefit from spin-offs as international companies start to look to Ireland as an alternative base to the UK for doing business inside the EU. 

And yesterday in the EU Parliamentary chamber Nigel Farage, loudly supported by his UKIP backing chorus, tried to belittle Ireland and our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar by claiming we are just pawns in the EU's anti-Breixit campaign and that the EU uses and abuses little countries like Ireland as it likes. Varadkar replied that around the EU table a country like Ireland of only four million people, less of a population than many European cities, had the same rights and respect as any other EU country, many of them much bigger. Of course, that didn't stop Nigel and his UKIP colleagues scoffing his Irish beef filet de bourgogne Irlandais à la Guinness later in the evening and toasting Varadkar's birthday with champagne! Nor will their professed principled detestation of the EU prevent them picking up their EU salaries and pensions. After all, when it comes to money and self-interest they are past masters and the EU will be well rid of them even if it costs them the paying of those very pensions.  

 

 

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