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Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;


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2 hours ago, keithisco said:

And that comment just goes to show your ignorance...No, Turkey is NOT in the EU. I wonder where you are from

hey Keith... are you p***ed? you read like you are. 

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9 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

I personally believe someone needing a prison sentence of 2 or more years should be tagged for life. The tag should have both a GPS tracker on it and a microphone.

i would support that if they were convicted of murder, terrorism, rape etc etc but a sentence of 2 years? too harsh. 

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11 hours ago, danydandan said:

I was just watching Grand Tour, even Jeremy Clarkson thinks Brexit is a stupid idea.

"In a few years, when Brexit has caught up with us, we will need pick-up trucks because there will be civil war." 

I assumed Clarkson was a Brexiteer.

Strangely, Jeremy Clarkson and James May where ardent remainers ? 

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8 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Strangely, Jeremy Clarkson and James May where ardent remainers ? 

Odd ain't it?

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3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Strangely, Jeremy Clarkson and James May where ardent remainers ? 

Especially seeing as Jeremy Clarkson openly admits to having been a member of the BNP too.

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19 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Especially seeing as Jeremy Clarkson openly admits to having been a member of the BNP too.

That's what I thought. Maybe he is gone senile?

Too much CO2 and NO can do that. But maybe it's Amazon's money that changed his mind? 

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15 minutes ago, danydandan said:

That's what I thought. Maybe he is gone senile?

Too much CO2 and NO can do that. But maybe it's Amazon's money that changed his mind? 

Money speaks lol.

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2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Money speaks lol.

I see some British MPs are at it again.

One has claimed, if Ireland do not negotiate on the backstop. There will be a no deal brexit and a hard boarder. Talk about starting the obvious.

But the best one was a Brexiteer stating the UK got no money from the Marshall Aid after WW2 and that that's one reason why Brexit happened. Who elects these retards?

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13 minutes ago, danydandan said:

I see some British MPs are at it again.

One has claimed, if Ireland do not negotiate on the backstop. There will be a no deal brexit and a hard boarder. Talk about starting the obvious.

But the best one was a Brexiteer stating the UK got no money from the Marshall Aid after WW2 and that that's one reason why Brexit happened. Who elects these retards?

I'll give you one guess!

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Just now, Ozymandias said:

I'll give you one guess!

Like minded persons. Lol.

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Just now, danydandan said:

I see some British MPs are at it again.

One has claimed, if Ireland do not negotiate on the backstop. There will be a no deal brexit and a hard boarder. Talk about starting the obvious.

But the best one was a Brexiteer stating the UK got no money from the Marshall Aid after WW2 and that that's one reason why Brexit happened. Who elects these retards?

When compared to their European counterparts I suspect Britons are more into patriotism, nationalism, and jingoism. Its our history that has done that to us. You have to remember that its 70-80 years since we were the greatest country on the planet. We arent ready to give up and become part of the EU herd. Mass immigration and the free movement of people are also other major issues.

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9 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

When compared to their European counterparts I suspect Britons are more into patriotism, nationalism, and jingoism. Its our history that has done that to us. You have to remember that its 70-80 years since we were the greatest country on the planet. We arent ready to give up and become part of the EU herd. Mass immigration and the free movement of people are also other major issues.

Why resort to lies and disinformation then?

Like really, the UK got no Marshall Aid. It got bloody 1/3  more than any other European Country from Marshall Aid. Nearly 3 billion. It's that type of jingosm and nationalism that led to World War One and Two in the first place. 

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27 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Why resort to lies and disinformation then?

Like really, the UK got no Marshall Aid. It got bloody 1/3  more than any other European Country from Marshall Aid. Nearly 3 billion. It's that type of jingosm and nationalism that led to World War One and Two in the first place. 

Sadly thats the state of UK politics. Our political culture is machiavellian with most of them playing one eye (saying one thing while doing another). Or feeding the general population lies, distortions, and misinformation, on topics they know most people no nothing about such as economics. Sadly, if politics actually worked we would probably have the worlds 2nd largest economy.

Hitler is seen as a total monster but was actually one of the greatest performing chancellors of all time. In fact, in the modern era he is the greatest. Why? He didnt do anything special with his economic policies he simply applied the correct ones to match where Germany was in its economic cycle. In the last 100 years not one government of any other western country has done that. Here in the UK the Labour party puts socialist ideology before correct economic policy, and the Tories put conservative ideology first too. Its a disgrace, the running of the economy needs taking off politicians and given to economic experts. They have even put their ideologies first during the last 10 years with the banking crisis which is why we still arent back to where we should be.

The politicians lie and distort when it comes to economic policy and the general public cannot see through it due to their lack of economics knowledge. Those who wish to remain in the EU are lying to people, many of those who wish to leave are too. Jacob Rees-Mogg is the only one telling the truth. I know that, I covered economics on my business degree and yes moving the UK to a Singapore model of capitalism is the correct thing to do. If we get a Hard-Brexit and do that then we will not simply maintain our current level of wealth we will move up the economic ranking of countries over time. The general public are too easily manipulated and too uneducated to know any different.

Free trade agreements damage an economy. They create an artificial bubble containing organisations which are protected to some degree from outside competition. That means they no longer have to be cheap, or have the highest quality, or the best features, when compared to outside competitors. Without being exposed to full competitive pressure then overtime it leads to sloppy, incompetent, inefficient organisations. It is the consumer who gets punished for the most because they end up paying more for less reducing their wealth in real terms. A Hard-Brexit would be best for us and following it we want no free trade agreements and also no import tariffs. 

We would initially lose incompetent organisations. That would drive down wages and inflation making Britain more attractive for investment. As a result new organisations will replace them and the sweet spot will be those with a comparative advantage. So overtime we will accumulate more and more organisations with a comparative advantage and will float up the economic ranking of countries as a result.

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2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Sadly thats the state of UK politics. Our political culture is machiavellian with most of them playing one eye (saying one thing while doing another). Or feeding the general population lies, distortions, and misinformation, on topics they know most people no nothing about such as economics. Sadly, if politics actually worked we would probably have the worlds 2nd largest economy.

Hitler is seen as a total monster but was actually one of the greatest performing chancellors of all time. In fact, in the modern era he is the greatest. Why? He didnt do anything special with his economic policies he simply applied the correct ones to match where Germany was in its economic cycle. In the last 100 years not one government of any other western country has done that. Here in the UK the Labour party puts socialist ideology before correct economic policy, and the Tories put conservative ideology first too. Its a disgrace, the running of the economy needs taking off politicians and given to economic experts. They have even put their ideologies first during the last 10 years with the banking crisis which is why we still arent back to where we should be.

The politicians lie and distort when it comes to economic policy and the general public cannot see through it due to their lack of economics knowledge. Those who wish to remain in the EU are lying to people, many of those who wish to leave are too. Jacob Rees-Mogg is the only one telling the truth. I know that, I covered economics on my business degree and yes moving the UK to a Singapore model of capitalism is the correct thing to do. If we get a Hard-Brexit and do that then we will not simply maintain our current level of wealth we will move up the economic ranking of countries over time. The general public are too easily manipulated and too uneducated to know any different.

Free trade agreements damage an economy. They create an artificial bubble containing organisations which are protected to some degree from outside competition. That means they no longer have to be cheap, or have the highest quality, or the best features, when compared to outside competitors. Without being exposed to full competitive pressure then overtime it leads to sloppy, incompetent, inefficient organisations. It is the consumer who gets punished for the most because they end up paying more for less reducing their wealth in real terms. A Hard-Brexit would be best for us and following it we want no free trade agreements and also no import tariffs. 

We would initially lose incompetent organisations. That would drive down wages and inflation making Britain more attractive for investment. As a result new organisations will replace them and the sweet spot will be those with a comparative advantage. So overtime we will accumulate more and more organisations with a comparative advantage and will float up the economic ranking of countries as a result.

Simples!

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6 hours ago, danydandan said:

I see some British MPs are at it again.

One has claimed, if Ireland do not negotiate on the backstop. There will be a no deal brexit and a hard boarder. Talk about starting the obvious.

But the best one was a Brexiteer stating the UK got no money from the Marshall Aid after WW2 and that that's one reason why Brexit happened. Who elects these retards?

Who are they?

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17 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Who are they?

The retards or the electorate of these retards?

The retards are Kawczynki, I think it's spelled, he is the guy ignorant of history or just plain lying to his supporters and some dude called Liam Fox. 

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No wonder ireland want the back stop. 15% of gdp is from smuggling across the border. / black economy. Officially they'd take 4% hit. But in reality closer to 20%. 

 

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1 hour ago, danydandan said:

The retards or the electorate of these retards?

The retards are Kawczynki, I think it's spelled, he is the guy ignorant of history or just plain lying to his supporters and some dude called Liam Fox. 

Being born in Poland might be the cause of his ignorance but how does this has any revelance to brexit? even stranger you think people are retards for voting for him because they should have known that one day in the future he'd make this insignificant mistake, if a politician couldn't serve in office if they 'stated the obvious' there wouldn't be any.

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Let's wait and see. Tick Tock. 

 

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Former deputy Brexit minister. 

Highlighting May's deceit. 

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/81a76aba-1e5f-4a02-92c7-248f2a072f42

Full evidence on link. 

 

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3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Being born in Poland might be the cause of his ignorance but how does this has any revelance to brexit? even stranger you think people are retards for voting for him because they should have known that one day in the future he'd make this insignificant mistake, if a politician couldn't serve in office if they 'stated the obvious' there wouldn't be any.

He was speaking at a Brexit questions and answers event or talk or something. 

So you have no issues with a sitting MP peddling lies, or being completely ignorant of your Countries history?

I said he was a retard, and maybe the people who voted for him are too?

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14 minutes ago, danydandan said:

He was speaking at a Brexit questions and answers event or talk or something. 

So you have no issues with a sitting MP peddling lies, or being completely ignorant of your Countries history?

Why would him claiming we never received assistance from America after WW2 have anything to do with Brexit? it wasn't a lie because he's easly found out by stating it in public, are you suggesting all candidates should do an history test before becoming an mp, do they do this in Ireland? i can see it now his constituents "i don't care if he's getting a new hospital built, if i'd known he didn't know what the 'Marshall plan' was i wouldn't have voted for him, we chucked out the last one he thought the great fire of London was in 1667"

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1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said:

Why would him claiming we never received assistance from America after WW2 have anything to do with Brexit? it wasn't a lie because he's easly found out by stating it in public, are you suggesting all candidates should do an history test before becoming an mp, do they do this in Ireland? i can see it now his constituents "i don't care if he's getting a new hospital built, if i'd known he didn't know what the 'Marshall plan' was i wouldn't have voted for him, we chucked out the last one he thought the great fire of London was in 1667"

We are thought basic history in School here. 

But no it shouldn't matter, his actions should. In this case he still hasn't given a reply to those showing him he is wrong, that speaks volumes. A number of his own party members and we'll know British historians have lambasted him over the comment. 

 

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1 minute ago, danydandan said:

We are thought basic history in School here. 

But no it shouldn't matter, his actions should. In this case he still hasn't given a reply to those showing him he is wrong, that speaks volumes. A number of his own party members and we'll know British historians have lambasted him over the comment. 

 

Ok what's the significance about him not being good at history? i'll show you a video of Diane Abbott her maths are 5hit, you're claiming i could ask any Irish MP an historical question and they'd know the answer.

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