stevewinn Posted May 26, 2019 #6876 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Watch the Lib Dem behind Ann Widdecombe standing on the foot of the lady next to him. She happens to be a Brexit MEP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted May 26, 2019 #6877 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Nigel farage elected again. Im off to bed its all far to embarrassing for the Remainers. I can't watch anymore it's a blood bath. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchwood Posted May 26, 2019 #6878 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, stevewinn said: Nigel farage elected again. Im off to bed its all far to embarrassing for the Remainers. I can't watch anymore it's a blood bath. its not- its a blood bath for lab/con, but not for remain. remain/leave is still evenly split, fence sitters can **** off. edit: if we see this election as referendum v2 then its 35% pro brexit, 35% pro remain, and the other 30% either don't care or hav'nt noticed the whole "brexit" thing... The promising thing from this election (apart from scum like TR being told where to get off) is that lab/con have both had the ****e kicked out of them by parties that had much clearer stances. hopefully this will lead to better policies from the centre left/right in the future. Edited May 27, 2019 by Torchwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted May 27, 2019 #6879 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Torchwood said: its not- its a blood bath for lab/con, but not for remain. remain/leave is still evenly split, fence sitters can **** off. edit: if we see this election as referendum v2 then its 35% pro brexit, 35% pro remain, and the other 30% either don't care or hav'nt noticed the whole "brexit" thing... The promising thing from this election (apart from scum like TR being told where to get off) is that lab/con have both had the ****e kicked out of them by parties that had much clearer stances. hopefully this will lead to better policies from the centre left/right in the future. Comedy gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted May 27, 2019 #6880 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 27, 2019 #6881 Share Posted May 27, 2019 If the conservatives have any backbone they’d call for snap National elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted May 27, 2019 #6882 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Good morning and what a morning it is. Brexit party win nationally. And also become the largest party in the EU. The message is clear to Labour and Tories you said we'd leave we didn't leave you paid the price. It's astonishing that still, that still remainers cannot see what's staring them in the face. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6883 Share Posted May 27, 2019 well done the Brexit Party and Nigel Farage... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6884 Share Posted May 27, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6885 Share Posted May 27, 2019 9 hours ago, stevewinn said: Ann Widdecombe elected. Give 'em hell. when Ann gets stuck into them at the EU Parliament they will be pushing us out of the door (deal or no deal)..... as fast as they can....... never mind the loss of revenue .... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted May 27, 2019 #6886 Share Posted May 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, bee said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131 34.9% for a no deal, 36% for remain. Where's your 'vast majority' @stevewinn? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6887 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Setton said: 34.9% for a no deal, 36% for remain. Where's your 'vast majority' @stevewinn? and so it begins.... The Remain Camp trying to claim victory.... but this is in line with the Topsy Turvy world of modern politics where everything is turned on it's head.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted May 27, 2019 #6888 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) If those figures are correct It is a good weekend - Brexit Party get nowhere near 40% some expected, though Farage's 2019 party did well to gain 4.1% points more than Farage's 2014 party. Ukip collapse SNP surge in Scotland Labour likely to tack to remain / referendum Some conservative MPs hint they'll bring down the government rather than allow no Deal Out and out WTO leavers only get 34.9% of the vote Remain / referendum out poll WTOers I heard on the TV last night but don't have the figures that Wales tilted remain. Tommy whatshisname comes bottom of the pile NI still to to be counted. all in all a good weekend. Edited May 27, 2019 by RAyMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted May 27, 2019 #6889 Share Posted May 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, bee said: The Remain Camp trying to claim victory... Lol the Brexit party won the seats for a parliament they hate - fair dues to them But they made this a referendum on Europe and on that basis other analysis is for more than fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6890 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, stevewinn said: Emily thornberry on BBC on auto pilot calling for a second referendum. — yes please, it will finish labour off for good. Labour are pledging to block a 'no deal' Brexit..... but will the Tories elect a 'No Deal' leader and try and push it through somehow..?.... not sure if they can with the MPs in the H of Commons at the mo.. There are still dangers - because Thornberry et al... want the proposed 2nd referendum to include a Remain option... which would split the Leave vote and polarize the Remain vote... Unless by that time the Leave supporters are so p***** off with the shenanigans that there will be a victory for a No Deal Brexit anyway... ? all that is for the coming weeks / months... and other factors is the populist direction that much of the EU countries are going in and we still have the court case that is going to the High Court to try and prove that we did actually leave on March 29th... they seem to think they have a good chance of winning and then if they do the Govt will have to appeal the decision at the Supreme Court.. edit to add info... the nitty gritty about the case starts around 14:30... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w0Z1yy9mOo IMPORTANT UPDATE Brexit Betrayal Case 26 05 19 Edited May 27, 2019 by bee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6891 Share Posted May 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, RAyMO said: Lol the Brexit party won the seats for a parliament they hate - fair dues to them But they made this a referendum on Europe and on that basis other analysis is for more than fair. I suppose so..... it's a political war of attrition and no one is backing down... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted May 27, 2019 #6892 Share Posted May 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, bee said: and so it begins.... The Remain Camp trying to claim victory.... but this is in line with the Topsy Turvy world of modern politics where everything is turned on it's head.. I was claiming more of a tie to be honest. Anyway, would you like to point out what is wrong with those figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted May 27, 2019 #6893 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Setton said: 34.9% for a no deal, 36% for remain. Where's your 'vast majority' @stevewinn? Labour, UKIP and Conservative were standing on a brexit policy using that logic leave got 57%. Edited May 27, 2019 by hetrodoxly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6894 Share Posted May 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Setton said: I was claiming more of a tie to be honest. Anyway, would you like to point out what is wrong with those figures? well if we are going to play around with the statistics... 23.2% of the vote is unknown as to their Leave (with or withour a deal) or Remain desires... the combined Labour and Conservative vote was the 23.2% share and this is the unknown factor.... as they probably voted out of loyalty to the party but may be Leave or Remain.... ? so your figures aren't wrong... so much as incomplete... something like that anyway... the whole thing is exhausting but that might be because I had a late night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted May 27, 2019 #6895 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, bee said: well if we are going to play around with the statistics... 23.2% of the vote is unknown as to their Leave (with or withour a deal) or Remain desires... the combined Labour and Conservative vote was the 23.2% share and this is the unknown factor.... as they probably voted out of loyalty to the party but may be Leave or Remain.... ? so your figures aren't wrong... so much as incomplete... something like that anyway... the whole thing is exhausting but that might be because I had a late night... The sad truth is that we are no clearer than we were before the vote, and any and all sides can take figures from the results to argue whatever case one wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted May 27, 2019 #6896 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) Brexit Party stood on. WTO. Green Party stood on. Our policies: Cancel Trident replacement, saving at least £110 billion over the next 30 years. A humane immigration and asylum system that recognises and takes responsibility for Britain’s ongoing role in causing the flow of migrants worldwide. Implement a UK-wide strategy to tackle gender based violence, including domestic violence, rape and sexual abuse, FGM and trafficking. An ethical foreign policy that builds capacity for conflict resolution, and end support to aggressive wars of intervention. No more arms sales to oppressive regimes. Trade rules that respect human rights, labour standards, environmental standards and climate commitments with mechanisms for individuals, groups and communities to bring grievances. Strengthen the global deal on climate change, including by delivering climate justice and promoting ecologically sustainable development so that poorer countries can cope with the impacts of climate change Increase the overseas aid budget from 0.7% of GDP to 1.0% of GDP. Edited May 27, 2019 by hetrodoxly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6897 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, RAyMO said: The sad truth is that we are no clearer than we were before the vote, and any and all sides can take figures from the results to argue whatever case one wants. true... but what is new is the arrival of the Brexit Party and the huge support they got and if this success goes on to be repeated in a General Election... we could end up with a very different House of Commons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted May 27, 2019 #6898 Share Posted May 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, bee said: Labour are pledging to block a 'no deal' Brexit..... but will the Tories elect a 'No Deal' leader and try and push it through somehow..?.... not sure if they can with the MPs in the H of Commons at the mo.. ..... As it stands, a "no-deal" Brexit (e.g. a true Brexit) is the default condition come October. If the Conservatives elect a 'true' Brexit PM, then I don't think that Parliament can do anything to prevent him/her taking us out of the EU ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted May 27, 2019 #6899 Share Posted May 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, RAyMO said: The sad truth is that we are no clearer than we were before the vote, and any and all sides can take figures from the results to argue whatever case one wants. It proves we knew what we were voting for, we haven't changed our minds and the vast majority of leavers are willing to do it on WTO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 27, 2019 #6900 Share Posted May 27, 2019 @hetrodoxly.... I'm glad you just made that edit in your previous post......(about the Green Party policies) it did my head in briefly... I was like..... what !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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