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Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;

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RAyMO
2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

All roads head to Hard-Brexit because no majority will agree to anything.

Still can't see a hard brexit - its the one thing the majority in Parliament doesn't want. Ways and means will be found to avoid it.

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stevewinn
37 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

it took two years to agree the WA - now the UK having agreed it at HoS level are going back - not surprising the EU don't know what we want, as clearly what we negotiated for 2.5 years wasn't what we wanted. Problem is as you know there is no consensus as to what the UK wants within cabinet, never mind parliament or the country. So how to hell is the EU meant to know?

You've already mentioned red lines. I'm sure if you know what they are the EU does too. its not a secret. 

As you say two years for WA, that's stacked against us. Imagine what the trade negotiations will be like, another two years like we've just had to end up at the same outcome. That's why the EU don't want a unilateral exit clause for the UK. Because they aim to do with the trade talks what they have with the WA. 

Thats why we should be leaving on March 29. 2019. The question to MPs should be do you want to govern your country without the deadhand of the EU. If the answer is no, then in God's name go. 

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RabidMongoose
1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

Still can't see a hard brexit - its the one thing the majority in Parliament doesn't want. Ways and means will be found to avoid it.

Thats a distortion, there is no majority for anything in Parliament.

Hence the predicament we find ourselves in.

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stevewinn

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

Brexiteers ; Get this petition signed. 

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Its increasing by the minute. 86,000 when I signed. 

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stevewinn
1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said:

Done, 92,000.

Be interesting see what the final tally will be. As I was looking it increased by 300. Must be going viral on twitter or something. 

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hetrodoxly
7 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Be interesting see what the final tally will be. As I was looking it increased by 300. Must be going viral on twitter or something. 

93.000 it's nearly 3 votes a second.

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stevewinn
8 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

93.000 it's nearly 3 votes a second.

It must be doing the rounds on social media or people who normally wouldn't sign these things are signing it. Be good if people keep spreading the word and it got to a million. 

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hetrodoxly
Just now, stevewinn said:

It must be doing the rounds on social media or people who normally wouldn't sign these things are signing it. Be good if people keep spreading the word and it got to a million. 

Yep i'm doing my bit at the mo.

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RabidMongoose
1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

Brexiteers ; Get this petition signed. 

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Its increasing by the minute. 86,000 when I signed. 

Done, when was it started?

Thats increasing at a fast rate, it will end in the millions.

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stevewinn
25 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Done, when was it started?

Thats increasing at a fast rate, it will end in the millions.

I'm not sure when it started, but the Govt as already responded with:(by the way 96,000+)

Government responded

This response was given on 14 December 2018

The deal that we have reached with the EU is the right one for the United Kingdom. Leaving without a deal would risk uncertainty for the economy, for business and for citizens.

Read the response in full

EU leaders have endorsed the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration on the future relationship between the UK and EU. This agreement secures the rights of more than three million EU citizens living in the UK and around one million UK nationals living in the EU; and sets out the terms of the time-limited implementation period which will provide our businesses and citizens with certainty.

The financial settlement represents a fair settlement of our obligations as a departing member state and was agreed in the context of the implementation period and our future relationship. This agreement confirms that the days of sending vast payments to the EU are coming to an end.

It also means we will be able to spend more of taxpayers’ money on our priorities, such as the extra investment we are putting into our NHS.

On Northern Ireland, the agreed Protocol guarantees that even in the unlikely event that the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not in place by the end of the implementation period, there will be no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland and no customs border down the Irish Sea.

The agreement preserves the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom, upholds the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement, and ensures people and businesses that rely on an open border between the Northern Ireland and Ireland can continue living their lives and operating as they do now.

As set out in the Political Declaration, once we have left the EU and for the first time in more than four decades, the UK will have an independent trade policy. The UK will be free to negotiate, sign, and ratify trade deals during the implementation period and bring them into force after the period has finished.

The deal we have reached is the right deal for the UK. It takes back control of our borders, our laws and our money while protecting jobs, security and the integrity of the UK. Anything other than straightforward approval of the deal will bring with it uncertainty for the economy, for business, and for citizens.

Neither Parliament nor the Government want a ‘no deal’ scenario. However, as a responsible Government, we will continue to prepare for all eventualities.

Department for Exiting the European Union

At 100,000 signatures...

At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

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@RabidMongoose from your video.

 

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stevewinn

Petition is nearing the 100,000 barrier. 99,000 already. 

13,000 in two hours. 

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RabidMongoose
1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Petition is nearing the 100,000 barrier. 99,000 already. 

13,000 in two hours. 

Just passed 106,000.

Its gaining momentum.

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L.A.T.1961
6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

Brexiteers ; Get this petition signed. 

&

Share the link. 

Its increasing by the minute. 86,000 when I signed. 

I have signed it, up to 120,000+ now. 

I am waiting to see a change of language by government from the crashing out/ cliff edge type description to something less dramatic.

Once leaving without signing an EU deal becomes unavoidable there will be a need to steady the markets, prior to the big day, after trying to scare the yellow liquid out of them and everybody else for the last two years. 

I would think some extra clarity around some of the financial predictions might also be forthcoming. 

I am guessing this could start next February ? 

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RabidMongoose
5 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I have signed it, up to 120,000+ now. 

I am waiting to see a change of language by government from the crashing out/ cliff edge type description to something less dramatic.

Once leaving without signing an EU deal becomes unavoidable there will be a need to steady the markets, prior to the big day, after trying to scare the yellow liquid out of them and everybody else for the last two years. 

I would think some extra clarity around some of the financial predictions might also be forthcoming. 

I am guessing this could start next February ? 

Everyone is lying about it feeding the public distortions which match their own personal preference.

All outcomes will be prosperous for us (although they will need different strategies. But only one gives us certain freedom!! Hard-Brexit.

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Captain Risky
12 hours ago, RAyMO said:

Still can't see a hard brexit - its the one thing the majority in Parliament doesn't want. Ways and means will be found to avoid it.

it certainly looks that way. the majority of parliamentarians don't want a hard brexit and if May's plan is defeated i can't see a minority in parliament dictating to the majority a hard brexit. an election and second referendum is on the cards.  

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Captain Risky
6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

@RabidMongoose from your video.

 

so outstanding... after lying during the last referendum (remember the 350 million pounds a week saving? lol), and then disappearing so he wouldn't have to answer the hard questions, he's back to sprout more sh_t. outstanding!

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