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Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;

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danydandan
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The UK, like other European countries should have done, including Ireland, is refused to take immigrants without a vetting program, the whole EU should be protecting it's people. Without a vetting program criminals and would be wrong doers have access to all Countries and it's a big oversight. Crime has risen here in Ireland dramatically since we basically opened our door to EU immigration policies.

We as a European community should take a page from Australian immigration policy.

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stevewinn
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Let's not lose sight of the real prize. Independence, Democracy. Everything else is just a by product of EU membership. 

Closer integration ever closer union is the mantra to all the EU's problems, where does that end? EU federation. 

God help those in the euro if they reach a point where they want to leave the political project. I fear there is no option left for them. 

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itsnotoutthere
54 minutes ago, danydandan said:

The UK, like other European countries should have done, including Ireland, is refused to take immigrants without a vetting program, the whole EU should be protecting it's people. Without a vetting program criminals and would be wrong doers have access to all Countries and it's a big oversight. Crime has risen here in Ireland dramatically since we basically opened our door to EU immigration policies.

We as a European community should take a page from Australian immigration policy.

This.

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itsnotoutthere
3 hours ago, danydandan said:

The UK, like other European countries should have done, including Ireland, is refused to take immigrants without a vetting program, the whole EU should be protecting it's people. Without a vetting program criminals and would be wrong doers have access to all Countries and it's a big oversight. Crime has risen here in Ireland dramatically since we basically opened our door to EU immigration policies.

We as a European community should take a page from Australian immigration policy.

But highlight the problem (Tommy Robinson) and the authorities will plunge you into a world of hurt.

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itsnotoutthere
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4 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

i totally agree with you that Britain became a victim of its own EU success.  every man and his dog wanted to come to Britain. but the same can be said for Germany, the Netherlands and France. if the issue had been put to an EU wide referendum then things would be different. Merkel has alot to answer for.  

If you look at the figures I think you'll find that even though we're a bunch of racists and voted for Brexit they're still flocking to come here.....strange that.

 

"i totally agree with you that Britain became a victim of its own EU success"   .....erm...

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keithisco

We cant be that bad in European eyes, compared to how Capt Risky and Ozy view us...

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The number of German, Italian and French nationals applying for British citizenship has more than trebled in three years as the impact of the referendum is felt, government data has revealed.

Almost 30,000 EU nationals applied to become British citizens between June 2016 and June 2017, double the previous year.

By volume, Poles topped the list of those seeking British citizenship in the past three years with just under 6,200 applying in the year to June 2017, up 44% on the previous year.

The sharpest rise in applications was among Germans, whose applications jumped from 797 in the year to June 2016 to 2,338 in the year to June 2017. The number of Italians opting for citizenship rose from 1,109 to 2,950 for the same period, while the number of Spanish almost tripled from about 500 to approximately 1,400

 

Source: YES it really IS The Guardian!

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itsnotoutthere
1 hour ago, keithisco said:

We cant be that bad in European eyes, compared to how Capt Risky and Ozy view us...

Source: YES it really IS The Guardian!

No wonder the people in the rest of Europe aren't being give a referendum, I think the powers that be know what the outcome would be.

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hetrodoxly
15 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

chlorine

I've been swiming in it since i was a kid, good to know i'm not fit for human consumption.

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Ozymandias
On 09/08/2018 at 11:13 AM, stevewinn said:

Their stance is firmly behind big Govt, big multinational organisations, goldman sachs Etal, your George soros's of this world. You can't help but notice the two main contributors for the remain side are not even citizens from the UK but @Captain Risky from Oz and the mouth from the south@Ozymandias

Both have a anti-british trait, and that's why their here. The mask slipped on more than one occasion.

Rumbled by an *******. I'm gutted!

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stevewinn
17 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Rumbled by an *******. I'm gutted!

What's up mouth from the south. Potato.

Moving on.

What's happening to Turkey's currency, lira as fell 12%. ECB panic as Spain (€83Bn) France (€35Bn) & Italian (€18Bn) banking exposure. Let's hope it doesn't spread. :D Spain owns 50% of Garanti Bank, UniCredit 40% of Yapi Kredi.

Let's finish on some good news, UK economy growth 0.4% Eurozone 0.3%. Direction of travel UK 0.2% 0.3% 0.4%. Eurozone. 0.2% 0.4% 0.3% 0.2% eurozone trend going into reverse, seeing the effects of the ECBs decision to stop QE by years end. ECB been buying Eurozone debt at £80Bn a month after September it'll be £15Bn a month. The programe started 2015 was to end 2016, but reality 2018. Total exposure ECB debt £2.5Trillion. Let's hope nothing goes wrong to make matters worse. Greeks get their final bailout payment this month £12Bn. Greek debt 180% of GDP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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keithisco

I have been wondering just why the "younger" electorate are so incensed at having lost (massively) the referendum, and been heaping scorn, threats, and vile abuse on the (mostly) older voters who dared to burst their little bubble of self-possessed entitlement. You would think that they would be gagging to have another referendum so they could turn out in their masses to "correct" the vote... It would appear not:

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This difference of outlook is reflected in attitudes towards holding a second referendum.

Younger people are much keener on the idea of revisiting the Brexit vote.

Asked whether there should be a referendum on whether to accept the terms of Britain's exit from the EU once they have been agreed, about half of 18 to 24 year-olds say they are in favour of another poll.

Only three in 10 of those aged 65 and over hold that view.

However, only half of 18 to 24-year-olds said that they would be certain to vote in a second EU referendum, according to recent polls by Survation. This compares with 84% of those aged 65 and over.

So if there were another ballot, it is far from certain that young people would necessarily take the opportunity to register their distinctive views.

 

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So...whilst we are led to believe that the younger voters felt they were not suitably represented and are busy stomping their precious feet to get a re-run, the reality is that they just cant be bothered to vote anyway but like to scream and shout for no good reason. Just IMO by the way:whistle:

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stevewinn

Turkish Lira fallen 20%. Alarm bells ringing at the ECB, incase of contagion.

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keithisco
10 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Turkish Lira fallen 20%. Alarm bells ringing at the ECB, incase of contagion.

BBVA (Spain) is particularly exposed if this continues ($84Bn dollars of potential non-performing debt)... as you would say, interesting times ahead

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Captain Risky
3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Turkish Lira fallen 20%. Alarm bells ringing at the ECB, incase of contagion.

...I think the EU and ECB is more concerned with Turkey not opening the refugee flood gates and Turkey slowing down its purchase of EU exports then any banking contagion. But like you said steve, Spanish banks do have 90 billion exposure that might require the ECB entering into the equation at some point. 

Being outside the EU, Turkey poses little threat...it’s Italy that must be playing on the ECB’s mind. another Greece in the making only this time times 10. Interesting times ahead.

 

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Captain Risky
On 09/08/2018 at 10:36 PM, danydandan said:

The UK, like other European countries should have done, including Ireland, is refused to take immigrants without a vetting program, the whole EU should be protecting it's people. Without a vetting program criminals and would be wrong doers have access to all Countries and it's a big oversight. Crime has risen here in Ireland dramatically since we basically opened our door to EU immigration policies.

We as a European community should take a page from Australian immigration policy.

Illegal immigrants entering Europe is all the making of Erdogan. Take away Turkey’s trade privileges and watch how quickly they stop entering Europe. Same with North Africa. 

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stevewinn
10 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Illegal immigrants entering Europe is all the making of Erdogan. Take away Turkey’s trade privileges and watch how quickly they stop entering Europe. Same with North Africa. 

The EU already paying Turkey €4Bn a year to reduce the migrant flow to a trickle, Also paying Libya €2.5Bn.

10 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

...I think the EU and ECB is more concerned with Turkey not opening the refugee flood gates and Turkey slowing down its purchase of EU exports then any banking contagion. But like you said steve, Spanish banks do have 90 billion exposure that might require the ECB entering into the equation at some point. 

Being outside the EU, Turkey poses little threat...it’s Italy that must be playing on the ECB’s mind. another Greece in the making only this time times 10. Interesting times ahead.

 

The key is Dept to GDP, once it reaches 140% of GDP all bets are off. (its currently at 130% of GDP) for Italy that is. The debt in the euro zone is insurmountable. Greece starts paying their bailout money back in 2032. The ECB as been buying upto 70% of members debts. Amounting to $2.65Trillion. Basically they own a debt the size of the UK economy. And that's reliant on it being plain sailing for the next 50years. A bit of a tall ask if you ask me.

Was looking for the news in the guardian, independent, FT, were figures show the Euro area growth grew at an average of 0.39% 1995 to 2018.

there are problems alright.

 

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stevewinn

Turkish Lira down 45% against the dollar.

 

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keithisco

Not much happening in EU / Brexit Politics so thought I would just post this from the Department for International Trade:

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Global exporters New Balance UK, Playdale, Tech Buyer and Hitachi join the Northern Powerhouse Partners Programme

Northern Powerhouse exports now account for nearly 20% of the UK’s total goods and services output

Exports have helped propel the value of the Northern Powerhouse economy to £330 billion – greater than the economies of Austria, Belgium or Norway

 

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...and that is just one region of the UK

 

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