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Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;

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itsnotoutthere
20 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

if the Brexit referendum has shown the UK and the world anything its that the rabble by and large are morons. voting shouldn't be a right but a privilege. in fact having babies should be by invitation only. people just don't know whats good for them. but you're not alone in this crazy world. The Greeks moronically voted to make them selves rich and free of debt during the euro zone crises. the Americans with Trump and his MAGA campaign,  the Turks when they decided to democratically elect a dictator and the list goes on and on... 

Yes, and look how their EU masters are punishing them now.

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Captain Risky
6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

you've had two years, two years to learn facts and figures. if you read them in my post and think their made up more fool you. but proves a point your not keen on educating yourself over Brexit, more of a headline man aren't you. rather follow the editorial of a google search. opinion of a journalist.

you've flooded this thread with "facts and figures" and you've been proven wrong. would you like me to start reposting your "facts and figure" from the last two years?

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Captain Risky
1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes, and look how their EU masters are punishing them now.

they brought it on themselves. 

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itsnotoutthere
2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

they brought it on themselves. 

'course they did.

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stevewinn
20 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

you've flooded this thread with "facts and figures" and you've been proven wrong. would you like me to start reposting your "facts and figure" from the last two years?

 

Go on indulge me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RabidMongoose
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

you've flooded this thread with "facts and figures" and you've been proven wrong. would you like me to start reposting your "facts and figure" from the last two years?

Arm chair anti-Brexit warrior.

And a delusional one at that lmao.

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Captain Risky
On 4/1/2017 at 6:41 AM, stevewinn said:

The British Media is terrible in reporting events, who needs enemies eh, you'd think by their reporting the EU is in a position to call the shots. - On the point of the EU demanding €50 to €60 Billion up front is very telling, they'd rather talk money than secure guarantees of EU citizens legal status in the UK and vice-versa for UK citizens.

What i encourage everyone to do, is this, every single position that's put to the UK Government by the EU turn it on its head and ask it of the EU, for instance the EU says the UK will have to pay €50 to €60 Billion. - Well how much will the EU have to pay the UK, after all its a two way street, the EU as commitments to all members and as such we are still a member that includes commitments to the UK. if we take the UK's share of EU assets, in property, rebates and budget receipts. that figure stands at €8.1Billion. but if we re-evaluate that figure to todays market value that figure stands at around €17.7Billion, If we also factor in our 16% share in the European Investment Bank €10.2 Billion that figure quickly rises to €27.9Billion, that's €27.9Billion the EU owes us, people will say that's far short of the €50-€60 Billion the EU is demanding from us, and they'd be right, but what we have to remember the EU's demand as no basis in law  independent of the treaties.

- The House of Lords EU Financial affairs committee report is telling. - it states

"A demand of €60 billion is being currently attributed to the EU Commission, but we find that it is possible to arrive a wide range of figures for any possible EU claim. However, it should be noted that the strictly legal position of the UK on this issue appears to be strong. Article 50 also provides for a 'guillotine' after two years if a withdrawal agreement is not reached. Although there are competing interpretations, legal evidence suggests that if agreement is not reached, all EU law will cease to apply, and the UK would not have an obligation to make any financial contribution at all"

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/125/12502.htm

in essence, The EU is negotiating with the worlds Fifth largest economy, its single biggest trade market and a member which currently contributes 12% of the EU's budget. the UK in 2017 will be the second largest Net contributor in absolute terms.

of the 27 remaining members just 11 are net contributors and the remaining 16 net recipients, either the 11 contribute more money to fill the black hole or the 16 accept cuts. but its more serious when you consider only 4 are "big net contributors"

 

Im all for Brexit without a deal. We'll have had two years nine months to prepare. sure it will hurt us, but we'd be safe in the knowledge it will hurt the EU worse. the Euro cannot survive another financial crisis, faced with that prospect sensible heads on the continent will prevail, and a deal will be done - after all they have a History of capitulation. 

Lets start to indulge...

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stevewinn
1 minute ago, RabidMongoose said:

Arm chair anti-Brexit warrior.

And a delusional one at that lmao.

He's accused me of this before. Always after a post which delivers a hammer blow, and as good as Google is he can't search/ find it. He's interested in the topic/brexit but he's not exactly how do we say, erm, on the ball when it comes to the basics. Like when he thought both the UK and Ireland where in schengen. Or when I was quoting dr Liam fox's official Govt department twitter he's a brexiteer claimed old captain risky so the tweet was lies the information was wrong. That was until I pointed out Dr fox is the trade secretary,  old Risky said ah, but I got my information from the ONS. I then pointed out Dr fox's information was from the same ONS report. Silence followed. 

The trick is to watch evidence to select committees in Parliament. It takes time, but knowledge is gained. And in my past dealing with Captain Risky he doesn't want to invest time. No, turn computer on, Google brexit and go from there. 

 

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stevewinn
Just now, Captain Risky said:

Lets start to indulge...

What's exactly wrong. Nothing wrong with that statement. 

Where's the wrong facts and figures you alluded to? 

 

 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

What's exactly wrong. Nothing wrong with that statement. 

Where's the wrong facts and figures you alluded to? 

Haha... you're a comedian now. lets start from the beginning... is the EU calling the shots? 

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stevewinn
4 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Haha... you're a comedian now. lets start from the beginning... is the EU calling the shots? 

No

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Captain Risky
2 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

No

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stevewinn
7 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

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I thought you was going to prove me wrong, facts and figures you said? Your not living up to your own billing. 

Keep posting my quotes. Good reminder. I like the way you selected my post and highlighted, only for the same post to answer the questions and even a link. And not only that you've edited the original post. At least quote in full. 

You haven't thought this through have you. 

 

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Captain Risky
On 4/7/2017 at 6:02 AM, stevewinn said:

 

These negotiations haven't even started in earnest yet, I've heard some say the EU is dictating the policy, - i simply smile, as the EU is making all the mistakes early on. 722 Days to go and the EU have painted themselves into a corner. - expert negotiators they said, :lol:

 

 

 

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Captain Risky
On 4/27/2017 at 4:15 AM, stevewinn said:

The EU seems to think after Brexit they'll retain some form of authority over the UK; be it EU Laws or EU citizens living under EU rights while resident in the UK. I don't think they fully understand what Brexit actually means.

The EU true to form is entering talks unprepared hence the last minute demands and proposals being threw into the official meetings/talks, remember last time they where all sat around the table the next minute the door comes flying open and it was Spain with Gibraltar, and the same as happened again this time with France, lock the bloody door. amateurs.

 

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stevewinn

If your going to quote quote in full better still directly link. 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

If your going to quote quote in full better still directly link. 

Top right hand corner there is an arrow. click on it and it will take you there. 

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stevewinn
Just now, Captain Risky said:

Top right hand corner there is an arrow. click on it and it will take you there. 

I know that's why I know your editing the original post. Others may not. 

When are you going to post something that proves me wrong?

Facts and figures you said. 

 

 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

I know that's why I know your editing the original post. Others may not. 

When are you going to post something that proves me wrong?

Facts and figures you said. 

listen mate. bullchit i can accept but don't lie. you painted yourself in a corner with your bullchit. feel free to bring up the original and prove that i tampered with your quote its easier enough to do. accuse me again of tampering with your quote and i will re-post your quote and prove you a liar.

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Captain Risky
On 4/7/2017 at 6:02 AM, stevewinn said:

The Red lines by the EU as outlined by Guy Verhofstadt, but before i go on, - I seen the speech by Verhofstadt in the EU Parliament, its almost beyond belief, he stated Britain will one day, once again join the EU and blames our leaving on infighting within the Tory party. - He like many in the EU fail to understand the British people where given the opportunity to Vote and they Voted Leave.

But anyway; I've been reading the red lines put by the EU, as a precursor to the negotiations they've painted themselves into a corner and leaves the EU with limited room to manoeuvre, If the EU stick to their red lines then the Republic of Ireland will be the next country to leave the EU. firstly on the grounds of open borders between Northern Ireland and the Republic. everyone thinks a hard border will exist between the two, but this is not going to happen. its not in the interest of Rep Ireland, - If a hard border exists it will be enforced by the Republic not at the shared UK-Ireland border but at the borders of the EU.

If no EU-UK trade deal is forthcoming and the EU's external tariff is imposed on the UK then the Republic of Ireland's economy soon enters into recession, and will need bailing out yet again by the EU, crisis two for both the EU and Euro currency. The Republic of Ireland will be forced to seek treaty reform or leave the EU for self interest. - just like Rep of Ireland had to join the EEC because the UK did, they'll have to leave for the same reasons. for the EU to lose one country is one thing, to lose two is a disaster.

No EU-UK deal means the UK has no legal obligations to pay the EU any "divorce" bill, though it will be contested by the EU. - The EU cannot afford to have a free, low tax economy off its northern shore, its why one of the EU red lines demands the UK adheres to "the fight against tax evasion and avoidance, fair competition"  Another red line seeks to prevent the UK becoming a low cost energy economy, by having the UK continuing to adhere to the  "Union's legislation and policies, in, among others, the field of the environment, climate change" Its clear the EU fears the options available to the UK.

On trade the EU is hamstrung by WTO and most favoured nation status, - that means if the EU imposes a tariff rate on a good or service from a non-EU trading partner, it then has to offer the same equal trade advantages to other parties (read UK) that limits the EU's ability to artificially charge the UK higher tariff rates. - seeing how the EU's external tariff on 90% of British exports to the EU would be in the bracket of between 0% to 6%, the UK could simply drop its corporation rate by 6%. negating any costs incurred. (the current UK corporate tax rate 19% 2017) The "nuclear option" with no EU deal would be to drop that rate by either 6% or 9% down to 10%. a level unable to be matched by the EU on the scale required. 

These negotiations haven't even started in earnest yet, I've heard some say the EU is dictating the policy, - i simply smile, as the EU is making all the mistakes early on. 722 Days to go and the EU have painted themselves into a corner. - expert negotiators they said, :lol:

 

 

 

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stevewinn
4 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

listen mate. bullchit i can accept but don't lie. you painted yourself in a corner with your bullchit. feel free to bring up the original and prove that i tampered with your quote its easier enough to do. accuse me again of tampering with your quote and i will re-post your quote and prove you a liar.

You post THIS. And then contradict yourself proving my point by then posting one of my quotes in full. Which you previously posted edited in your previous post #5089 

Your making a fool of yourself. All by yourself. 

 

 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

You post THIS. And then contradict yourself proving my point by then posting one of my quotes in full. Which you previously posted edited in your previous post #5089 

Your making a fool of yourself. All by yourself. 

easily fixed, steve. why don't you repost your original post and lets see who is lying. 

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stevewinn
1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

easily fixed, steve. why don't you repost your original post and lets see who is lying. 

You've done it for me. First you edited my post. In your post #5089 Then posted it in full #5095. (which you've now bolded) 

Not doing a good job here. Indulged I am. Making a right fool of yourself. Carry on. 

 

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Ireland alarmed by UK’s food tariff plans in no-deal Brexit

Dublin has discussed with Brussels the assistance it would need

Ireland has responded with alarm to UK plans for tariffs and quotas on agri-food imports in a no-deal Brexit, as worries grow about the potentially grave impact on the country’s annual €4.5bn food and drink sales to Britain. 

 

Leo Varadkar’s government is facing demands to seek emergency aid from Brussels after Michael Gove, UK environment secretary, said reports that Britain would operate a zero-tariff regime in a no-deal were “not accurate”. 

“A no-deal Brexit, if that’s the outcome . . . is going to have grave consequences to the broader food market here in Ireland,” he said. 

 

 

 

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L.A.T.1961

The EU have done what they usually do when in a bind and ignore or change the rules. 

This time it is subsidies to farmers. 

"amid concerns about Brexit, new EU rules will increase the maximum amount that member states can use to support farmers in crisis without the need for prior approval from the European Commission.

In some cases, agriculture commissioner Phil Hogan will say, State aid provided to farmers can be increased by as much as 66%, rising from €15,000 to €20,000 and even up to €25,000."

Although they do not say how member states are to find the extra money.

Macron is also calling for more money to be provided for the C.A.P. 

I would think once French farmers join the yellow jackets we shall be able to see the fires burning in Paris from the Home counties. ;)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/europe-raises-cap-on-grants-as-government-prepares-for-brexit-906291.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-agriculture-needs-more-protectionism-says-macron-salon-de-lagriculture/

 

 

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