Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, skookum said:

I hate to say it but the last election was controversial as it is highly suspected that some students voted twice.  Once at their registered University town and again when they returned home.  Corbyn was playing the Pied Piper at the time offering them free everything and gained a massive youth vote, possibly twice.

Swinson probably thinks the Universities have indocranated the students enough to vote for her, twice lol

I believe students will have returned home on the 12th december. so no voting twice. no wonder Labour dont want a december vote. Labour brought in the highly corrupt postal voting and because they cant convince the adults they turn to influence younger minds.

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

• 29th March 2019.
• 12th April.
• 31st October.
• 31st January 2020.

Its clear we need to sack this Parliament. Tories included. is Boris in a ditch?

My my, you were quite the fan of him until recently. How fickle you leavers are. 

Do you know, it's almost like it's our democracy you hate, rather than any specific political parties. 

Shocking. 

[Setton]

Just now, stevewinn said:

I believe students will have returned home on the 12th december. so no voting twice. no wonder Labour dont want a december vote. Labour brought in the highly corrupt postal voting and because they cant convince the adults they turn to influence younger minds.

Except the voting twice didn't happen (OK, 1 vote. You think that swung the election?) and the Labour vote wasn't mainly from students. 

Any other conspiracy theories for our entertainment? 

[stevewinn]

Just now, Setton said:

My my, you were quite the fan of him until recently. How fickle you leavers are. 

Do you know, it's almost like it's our democracy you hate, rather than any specific political parties. 

Shocking. 

only one of us here wants to overturn the referendum result and it ain't me.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Aaron2016 said:

But we can't assume the public did not know what they were voting for.  We should just respect and accept their first vote.  There must be millions of reasons why each individual voted the way they did.  e.g.  They tossed a coin and it landed heads etc.  Having another referendum is no guarantee that the opposite result can be achieved.

Its like voting for lunch and no one agrees on the menu. Does it really matter? Why didn't the Tories just take brexit and do the sensible thing instead of stabbing each other in the back. Like arguing over the colour of chit. Look where brexit is today. Its exactly where the original leader tasked with implementing it is today. What a waste of resources, time and political capital. The same people that sabotaged it then re-promoted it. What a joke.

Agree on brexit and ask 2 questions only...

1/ No Deal

2/ Deal

Thats it !  

[Setton]

4 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

only one of us here wants to overturn the referendum result and it ain't me.

Under our democracy, of course, there is no obligation to follow the result of a referendum. On the other hand, there is plenty of scope for having multiple advisory referenda to gain clarity. 

So it is our democracy you hate. Thanks for clearing it up. 

[Setton]

10 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

But we can't assume the public did not know what they were voting for.  We should just respect and accept their first vote.  

Or, you know, ask them... 

[stevewinn]

Just now, Setton said:

Except the voting twice didn't happen (OK, 1 vote. You think that swung the election?) and the Labour vote wasn't mainly from students. 

Any other conspiracy theories for our entertainment? 

a mate of mine voted twice in the last election. on his way to pick his daughter up from school he had to pass the polling station. went in and voted. on his way back one of his mates was on the phone so asked him to vote for him. so went back in. true story. and he's a teacher, I have to be honest he voted for the Greens and voted Labour for his mate, so not two votes for the same party but still, just shows he could have voted for the same party. he's crazy like that gets his uni mates to mark all the kids work for free pizza. one cool cat is he. i didnt believe him until we had a poker night at his house and witnessed it first hand.

[stevewinn]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

Under our democracy, of course, there is no obligation to follow the result of a referendum. On the other hand, there is plenty of scope for having multiple advisory referenda to gain clarity. 

So it is our democracy you hate. Thanks for clearing it up. 

Should have told that to Parliament when they give legitimacy to the referendum by passing Article 50.

[RAyMO]

34 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Labour was never in control it was all the Tories. They called brexit they won brexit and they ballsed it up. In short they own it ! Its their mess. Labour could have put up a card board cut out of Corbyn in parliament and it wouldn't have made an difference to Brexit one bit.  

I am not talking about Brexit - Captain. I couldn't care less if Boris woke up tomorrow and threw Brexit under a bus to keep the DUP company.

I am saying that Corbyn is a liability to Labour come an election because quite frankly he is useless. Having been faced with the worst Tory Government  and worst PM (May/Boris take your pick) in living memory he has failed to make any sort of impact. In fact given the perfect opportunity he will manage, I predict, to snatch labour defeat from what should have been and could have been the Jaws of Victory, in the forth coming election.

[stevewinn]

3 hours ago, skookum said:

I hate to say it but the last election was controversial as it is highly suspected that some students voted twice.  Once at their registered University town and again when they returned home.  Corbyn was playing the Pied Piper at the time offering them free everything and gained a massive youth vote, possibly twice.

Swinson probably thinks the Universities have indocranated the students enough to vote for her, twice lol

Corbyn/Labour is terrified of an election. just seen him argue over day light.

On 9 December sunset in Birmingham is 15.53. On 12 December it is 15.52. Jeremy Corbyn is currently claiming he is blocking the most important election in a generation because of 60 seconds of sunlight.

[RAyMO]

1 hour ago, Aaron2016 said:

But we can't assume the public did not know what they were voting for.  We should just respect and accept their first vote.  There must be millions of reasons why each individual voted the way they did.  e.g.  They tossed a coin and it landed heads etc.  Having another referendum is no guarantee that the opposite result can be achieved.

 

The DUP might just might come out against Brexit in the forthcoming election - I wonder how well that will go down in their heartlands.  This from today's debate

The DUP MP Ian Paisley intervenes and asks . If Boris Johnson wins the election, will he implement the Brexit deal he negotiated? Or will he try and renegotiate the provisions for Northern Ireland. Johnson says he will be campaigning to implement the “excellent deal” he negotiated.

Just to add

The DUP’s Brexit spokesman, Sammy Wilson, is speaking now. He says what is on offer is not Brexit for the whole of the UK, because it leaves Northern Ireland in the single market. He describes the PM’s deal as a “death deal to the union”.

so nothing in a Boris Brexit victory for the DUP.  Signs are DUP could campaign against Boris Brexit.

Edited October 28, 2019 by RAyMO

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

I read a theory that suggested that the ruler of France, M. Macaroon, might actually be willing to help Sir Boris accomplish Brexit as he sees the UK as the only thing standing between he and his ambition to be Emperor of Europe. So the sooner that the UK no longer has the capacity to interfere in the Greater European Empire, therefore, the better it will be for him. Perhaps, however, a free and independent Britain might once again take up its time-honoured position of being the thorn in the side of the dictator who wants to control Europe.  

Hardly since when he arises he will already have the whole of Europe under him (except the UK).

[Space Commander Travis]

Just now, RabidMongoose said:

Hardly since when he arises he will already have the whole of Europe under him (except the UK).

Yes, that's how it may backfire on him see. He thinks it'll leave him free to be ruler of Europe, but the Uk, freed from having to be a loyal member of the European Empire, will be free to take up its traditional role of being the thorn in the side of the dictator that wants to rule Europe. And if, through tactical deviousness of his own, he helps it happen because he thinks it'll be beneficial to him, what a lovely irony that will be!  

[Duke Wellington]

36 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Yes, that's how it may backfire on him see. He thinks it'll leave him free to be ruler of Europe, but the Uk, freed from having to be a loyal member of the European Empire, will be free to take up its traditional role of being the thorn in the side of the dictator that wants to rule Europe. And if, through tactical deviousness of his own, he helps it happen because he thinks it'll be beneficial to him, what a lovely irony that will be!  

With all 5 of our destroyers lol.

[TigerBright19]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Or, you know, ask them... 

People are rarely eager to state on public record the reasons they vote.  Saw a reporter on BBC news today saying that a recent poll was carried out which said 50% of voters are 'floating voters' who are liable to swing either way.  I was one of them, and only made up my mind on the day of the referendum.

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Aaron2016

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, RAyMO said:

I am not talking about Brexit - Captain. I couldn't care less if Boris woke up tomorrow and threw Brexit under a bus to keep the DUP company.

I am saying that Corbyn is a liability to Labour come an election because quite frankly he is useless. Having been faced with the worst Tory Government  and worst PM (May/Boris take your pick) in living memory he has failed to make any sort of impact. In fact given the perfect opportunity he will manage, I predict, to snatch labour defeat from what should have been and could have been the Jaws of Victory, in the forth coming election.

No idea why you’re so interested in the Labour leadership. A new leader would not have saved the UK from the swamp of lies that it finds itself in today. In fact Corbyn is indicative of the deficit of good politicians at the moment. How a Marxist ends up a hair breath from one of the great capitalist democracies is anyone’s guess. Labour could have voted him out if someone had stepped up. No one decent did because this whole Brexit period destroys politicians not makes them. 
 

blame Labour.

[Setton]

45 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

People are rarely eager to state on public record the reasons they vote.  Saw a reporter on BBC news today saying that a recent poll was carried out which said 50% of voters are 'floating voters' who are liable to swing either way.  I was one of them, and only made up my mind on the day of the referendum.

 

If only there was some mechanism to judge public opinion. 

You could get them to make some kind of mark, a cross, say, next to their preferred option. 

You could call it a referendum.

[TigerBright19]

8 minutes ago, Setton said:

If only there was some mechanism to judge public opinion. 

You could get them to make some kind of mark, a cross, say, next to their preferred option. 

You could call it a referendum.

But we have parties like the Lib-Dems who still refuse to accept the results of the referendum.

 

 

 

I personally believe it does not really matter if the people were informed or not.  Parliament put their trust in the people, regardless of what decision was to be made.  A democratic result was reached, and yet almost 4 years later it still has not been implemented.

I think the 2019 General election will be a very poor turnout.

 

 

[RAyMO]

55 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

I think the 2019 General election will be a very poor turnout.

There was a surge in voter registrations after Boris became Prime Minister.

Mostly under 34s - I suspect this election will have a high turnout well high for a winter election.

[RAyMO]

58 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

I personally believe it does not really matter if the people were informed or not. 

does it matter if they were misinformed?

Like Brexit would protect the Union?

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Aaron2016 said:

I personally believe it does not really matter if the people were informed or not.

Well of course you don't. Because then your side probably wouldn't have won. 

[TigerBright19]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

Well of course you don't. Because then your side probably wouldn't have won. 

My side didn't win.  I voted remain.

 

 

[Setton]

8 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

My side didn't win.  I voted remain.

And you still support remain? 

[TigerBright19]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

And you still support remain? 

I can't, because Leave won.  A referendum was held and a democratic result was reached.  I believe the result should be respected, so there can't be any opposition to a choice that has already been decided.