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There are other sites there than Gobekli that happen to pick up around the same time Gobekli died... 

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3 minutes ago, back to earth said:

the Chachapoyas culture is thought to have developed around 750-800 CE.

GT  - 7,300 BCE ... the Chachapoyas culture is thought to have developed around 750-800 CE.

Took them a looooooo oooooo  oooong  time to get to  Peru       :D 

developed or remains of this culture...  a  transported culture... what is interesting is the testable remains ..  hundreds of corpses... clothing.. we should be able to get some amazing DNA samples from these..    When we modernize a third world country.. create modern infrastructure.. it doesn't mean a thousand years from now that that country suddenly evolved.. developed the culture.. the infrastructure.   that it was new... it only means that that area was suddenly settled.. upgraded to the going modern technology..   using your example or understanding.. Australia would only be a new civilization.. that did not exist over 250 years ago... that the people of Australia there were nomads or cave dwellers before that.. ???      I would say it was a new settlement of advanced people.. maybe escaping  sieges.. the victims of political unrest.. or natural disasters...   

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Where is the mention of their hair being the color of ripe wheat, or their fair skin? Danish geneticist Eske Willerslev analyzed Clovis remains of Montana Boy's genetic origins and discovered that he descends from a Siberian tribe with roots tracing back to Europe. Some of the boy's ancestors are likely even to have lived in present-day Germany. Their findings go even further: More than 80 percent of all native peoples in the Americas -- from the Alaska's Aleuts to the Maya of Yucatan to the Aymaras along the Andes -- are descended from Montana boy's lineage. Why are we still relying on the "Clovis First" model, mentioning only Asian migration routes, and never Atlantic (Solutrean, f.ex.)? Why will no one mention Europe? Why will no one shed light on the Chachapoyas appearance as described by Pizzaro? 

 

Chachapoyas appearance as described by Pizzaro      :   https://www.amren.com/news/2013/09/how-did-blonde-whites-arrive-in-peru-before-columbus/

 

 

https://www.revolvy.com/topic/Chachapoya&item_type=topic

 

https://www.treehugger.com/conservation/hundreds-mysterious-ancient-earthworks-found-amazon.html

 

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1 hour ago, crystal sage said:

It depends if the ancient remains of the clothing  ( 20 minutes into the tape... )  were Channel .. Prada... or  tagged with some other fashion house we know.. ::   the material had Aztec and  native American designs... and they   were of patchwork design !!!     the Mummies were all buried in fetal position   with their hands covering their face !!! 

 

 

 

Definitely no possible or conceivable connection with Göbekli Tepe, of course, but they found labels on the textiles.

They all say "Made in China."

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57 minutes ago, crystal sage said:

developed or remains of this culture...  a  transported culture... what is interesting is the testable remains ..  hundreds of corpses... clothing.. we should be able to get some amazing DNA samples from these..    When we modernize a third world country.. create modern infrastructure.. it doesn't mean a thousand years from now that that country suddenly evolved.. developed the culture.. the infrastructure.   that it was new... it only means that that area was suddenly settled.. upgraded to the going modern technology..   using your example or understanding.. Australia would only be a new civilization.. that did not exist over 250 years ago... that the people of Australia there were nomads or cave dwellers before that.. ???      I would say it was a new settlement of advanced people.. maybe escaping  sieges.. the victims of political unrest.. or natural disasters...   

Like BTE said, a time difference between 7000 BCE and 800 CE. No, that's not how history works. There is no conceivable connection between prehistoric Anatolia and precolumbian South America.

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1 hour ago, crystal sage said:

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LOL Just had to return to this. Look at that right eye. Gross. And cool.

Our museum has a large collection of Peruvian and Chilean mummies, although sadly they're rarely displayed. Their history and connections with the history of South America are fairly well understood. There is no cause to invent a "mystery" where none exists.

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1 minute ago, kmt_sesh said:

Like BTE said, a time difference between 7000 BCE and 800 CE. No, that's not how history works. There is no conceivable connection between prehistoric Anatolia and precolumbian South America.

  Descendants... !!!  it seems that there has been a DNA link to European nations...  we... throughout history have rebuilt on old sites.. or built over them... dig deeper... and then too.. maybe they moved.. spread their civilizations... maybe the architecture methods  have  changed over the years.. thousands of years.., just like ours has..

 

 

The cloud people evolved in a different way... there is evidence that there was a population of over 500,000 people !!! 

 

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just like all nations over hundreds of years are shaping the America of today.. or the Australia of today... integration of nations from all over the world... creating a new architecture.. new culture..  maybe there may be some nostalgic influences..  https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2016/01/11/move-over-machu-picchu-the-discovery-of-paititi-the-secret-city-of-gold-may-change-peru-forever/#2f80f7c85e85

PAITITI1

 

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3 minutes ago, crystal sage said:

  Descendants... !!!  it seems that there has been a DNA link to European nations...  we... throughout history have rebuilt on old sites.. or built over them... dig deeper... and then too.. maybe they moved.. spread their civilizations... maybe the architecture methods  have  changed over the years.. thousands of years.., just like ours has..

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Yes, I get what you're saying, but "descendants" is too easy an answer without any identifiable evidence to support this idea. Speculation is not the basis for an historical theory. I am not aware of any genetic connection between South America and the Old World until after the arrival of Europeans. And there is no realistic scientific comparison between Göbekli Tepe and South American mummies because, to date, no human remains have even been found at Göbekli Tepe. We don't know who those semi-nomadic, prehistoric Anatolians were, but that should not give us a reason to try to force a connection with the New World. As far as that goes, there is no evidence whatsoever that prehistoric Anatolians would've had the means to or interest in traveling to the other side of the world (if they even understood there was another side, which is unlikely).

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They said that these cities housed over 1/2 a million people..  in the Cloud people villages...
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Published on Dec 8, 2014

Ever since the first Spanish explorers told tales of cities in the middle of the jungle-choked Amazon, explorers, archaeologists and treasure-hunters alike have been searching for them, and many have died trying...including the most famous Amazon explorer Col. Percy Fawcett. Now, this show is mounting its own expedition, and a striking new discovery will be revealed. The show goes deep into Brazil's Mato Grosso region. Following Fawcett's trail to the point of his last known location, they then take buses, planes, trucks and river boats five days deep into areas of massive deforestation until they finally reach the untouched jungle. There, among a people called the Kuikuru, they discover the archaeological evidence that points - not only to the existence of huge cities in the jungle - but also to the fact that their descendants are still very much alive today.

The Lost City of Z is the name given by Col. Percy Harrison Fawcett, a British surveyor, to a city that he thought existed in the jungle of the Mato Grosso region of Brazil. This mysterious city is referenced in a document known as Manuscript 512, housed at the National Library of Rio de Janeiro by Portuguese slave-hunter (bandeirante) João da Silva Guimarães who wrote that he'd visited the city in 1753. The city is described in great detail without providing a specific location. Fawcett allegedly heard about this city in the early 1900s and went to Rio de Janeiro to learn more, and came across the earlier report. He was about to go in search of the city when World War I intervened. In 1925, Fawcett, his son Jack, and Raleigh Rimell disappeared in the Mato Grosso while searching for Z.

Although the search for the lost city was made in the Mato Grosso, Manuscript 512 was written after explorations made in the sertão of the province of Bahia.

David Grann's New Yorker article "The Lost City of Z" (2005) was expanded into a book The Lost City of Z (2009) and a forthcoming movie. It was reported that an archaeologist, Michael Heckenberger, might have found the city at the site known as Kuhikugu. He had discovered clusters of settlements (20 settlements in all) with each cluster containing up to 5,000 people and said "All these settlements were laid out with a complicated plan, with a sense of engineering and mathematics that rivalled anything that was happening in much of Europe at the time." Using Google Earth, three scientists may have found the lost city in the upper Amazonian basin, near the

 

 

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;)   They could have cremated the  dead in those days.. ( Gobleki Tepe)   ...

 

 

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9731392/hancocks-smoking-gun-evidence-that-comet-destroyed-ancient-civilisation-hidden-at-gobekli-tepe-gunung-padang/

 

http://meeting.physanth.org/program/2015/session03/gresky-2015-decoration-and-cremation-of-neolithic-human-bones-from-gobekli-tepe-turkey.html

 

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Within the last three years excavation at Göbekli Tepe, the earliest known temple complex, located in East Turkey, revealed quite a lot human bone fragments from the filling of the buildings. Except one slightly better preserved skeleton, 594 single fragments have been investigated by macroscopic, radiological, scanning electron microscopical and histological methods. The most frequent type is skull fragments (349) followed by long bone fragments of the lower extremity (111) The amount of fragments is decreasing from the upper extremity (52) to foot, hand and fragments of spine, ribs and pelvis. This indicates that whole bodies were buried, and not only a selection of long bones and skulls were placed in the area. Several kinds of artificial treatment show specific burial customs: Signs of burning or impact of low heat were present in 109/594 of the fragments, 19/594 showed cut marks most probably due to dismembering. On skull fragments of three different individuals up to 3mm deep straight geometrically carved decorations are placed mostly in the frontal and anterior parietal parts of the skull. The carvings on the best preserved skull are extending in a sagittal line to the occipital and also to the mandible. In contrast to all other fragments, in this special case a drilling on the left parietal was done and remnants of ochre were visible. These different burial customs will be discussed in comparison to other sites in Neolithic Turkey and an overview about age and sex distribution as well as pathological processes will be given

there seem to be some discreet hints of skeletons of giants found in Gobleki Tepe..    but that could be 'Fake News' that has been going on for centuries ..   ;) 

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26 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Yes, I get what you're saying, but "descendants" is too easy an answer without any identifiable evidence to support this idea. Speculation is not the basis for an historical theory. I am not aware of any genetic connection between South America and the Old World until after the arrival of Europeans. And there is no realistic scientific comparison between Göbekli Tepe and South American mummies because, to date, no human remains have even been found at Göbekli Tepe. We don't know who those semi-nomadic, prehistoric Anatolians were, but that should not give us a reason to try to force a connection with the New World. As far as that goes, there is no evidence whatsoever that prehistoric Anatolians would've had the means to or interest in traveling to the other side of the world (if they even understood there was another side, which is unlikely).

And its unlikely they did or had to, as there are a number of sites around Gobekli am that post and predate it. 

 They didn't really go anywhere. They abandoned the site and started a new one nearby. 

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Some experts believe the network was a way of protecting man from predators while others believe that some of the linked tunnels were used like motorways are today, for people to travel safely regardless of wars or violence or even weather above ground.

The book notes that chapels were often built by the entrances perhaps because the Church were afraid of the heathen legacy the tunnels might have represented, and wanted to negate their influence.

In some cases writings have been discovered referring to the tunnels seen as a gateway to the underworld.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2022322/The-massive-European-network-Stone-Age-tunnels-weaves-Scotland-Turkey.html#ixzz4erEmqqJV
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And its unlikely they did or had to, as there are a number of sites around Gobekli am that post and predate it. 

 They didn't really go anywhere. They abandoned the site and started a new one nearby. 

Remember too the underground cities of http://sometimes-interesting.com/2014/05/09/derinkuyu-the-underground-cities-of-cappadocia/  nearby...   I bet once they progress with the Gobleki Tepe digs they will find a vast array of underground tunnels that may link to these cities... that these underground cities are much older than they appear.. the may have records of later additions.. extensions .. renovations but it seems that underground tunnel dwelling.. cave ..dwelling was common throughout the history of mankind.. ;)  like the recent discovery of the middle eastern  underground tunnel that goes  from Turkey... ( Gobleki Tepe people ???  ) all the way to Scotland!!!! that was said to be at least 5000 years old !!!   :D   they have upgraded that to 12,000 years since I last looked...  http://www.ancient-code.com/a-set-of-massive-12-000-year-old-underground-tunnels-stretch-scotland-turkey/

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5 hours ago, crystal sage said:

You sure thats not photoshopped? I find it very hard to believe that something that stands out and the location known, that no one has explored what possible might be a collection of pyramids and a lost city.

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10 hours ago, crystal sage said:

a..l... http://www.ancient-code.com/mica-and-its-use-in-the-construction-of-ancient-teotihuacan/   The reconstruction of the site is amazing... and the surprising questions of  the use of Mica from those times   in that particular way.. raises.. B) 

You mean the use of mica as a floor covering? The mica layer covers a former floor. Evidently, the realization was made that mica doesn't make for good floor tiles so it was covered over.

Mica was used extensively in the ancient past for decoration and jewelry. Mines in Mexico date back at least a couple of thousand years.

Harte

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12 hours ago, crystal sage said:

This is to me an obvious photoshop job. 

 

The article it comes from indicates it is a close up of a satellite photo that contains "dots".  However, there are 12 dots and only 9 pyramids.  The snake-like river that appears in the picture of the pyramids does not appear on the satellite photo.  Then there is the question of why the pyramids, especially the large one, would have the same color as the leaves?

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11 hours ago, crystal sage said:

Remember too the underground cities of http://sometimes-interesting.com/2014/05/09/derinkuyu-the-underground-cities-of-cappadocia/  nearby...   I bet once they progress with the Gobleki Tepe digs they will find a vast array of underground tunnels that may link to these cities... that these underground cities are much older than they appear.. the may have records of later additions.. extensions .. renovations but it seems that underground tunnel dwelling.. cave ..dwelling was common throughout the history of mankind.. ;)  like the recent discovery of the middle eastern  underground tunnel that goes  from Turkey... ( Gobleki Tepe people ???  ) all the way to Scotland!!!! that was said to be at least 5000 years old !!!   :D   they have upgraded that to 12,000 years since I last looked...  http://www.ancient-code.com/a-set-of-massive-12-000-year-old-underground-tunnels-stretch-scotland-turkey/

560 km's..........a bit of fantasy don't you think

 

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Dr. Kusch states that ‘Across Europe, there were thousands of these tunnels – from the north in Scotland down to the Mediterranean. They are interspersed with nooks, at some places, it’s larger, and there is seating, or storage chambers and rooms. They do not all link up but taken together it is a massive underground network.’

http://www.snopes.com/stone-age-tunnels/

Medieval Erdstall tunnels dating back centuries have been found in places such as Germany, Austria, France, Ireland and Scotland.

What is false: These tunnels comprise a continuous passageway all the way from Scotland to Turkey.

The story seems to have originated from a gross misinterpretation of a 2011 article in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that detailed mysterious tunnels found throughout parts of Europe known as “Erdstall.” The myth version also references the work of a German prehistorian, Heinrich Kusch, who along with his wife Ingrid authored a 2009 German-language book about the Erdstall tunnels. The Kusches believed the tunnels were built 5,000 (not 12,000) years ago, and scientific evidence places Erdstall at an even more recent timeframe than the Kusches suspected:

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11 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

You sure thats not photoshopped? I find it very hard to believe that something that stands out and the location known, that no one has explored what possible might be a collection of pyramids and a lost city.

yeah .... its  BS   ... Crystal Sage has a habit of continually flooding threads with anything fake  she can get her hands on   ;) 

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1 hour ago, back to earth said:

yeah .... its  BS   ... Crystal Sage has a habit of continually flooding threads with anything fake  she can get her hands on   ;) 

I beg to differ its not 'fake', it just has alternative methods of being viewed and understood by those having different perspectives and reflecting the temperament and acceptance of contra-indications of reality.

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19 hours ago, crystal sage said:

;)   They could have cremated the  dead in those days.. ( Gobleki Tepe)   ...

 

 

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9731392/hancocks-smoking-gun-evidence-that-comet-destroyed-ancient-civilisation-hidden-at-gobekli-tepe-gunung-padang/

 

http://meeting.physanth.org/program/2015/session03/gresky-2015-decoration-and-cremation-of-neolithic-human-bones-from-gobekli-tepe-turkey.html

 

there seem to be some discreet hints of skeletons of giants found in Gobleki Tepe..    but that could be 'Fake News' that has been going on for centuries ..   ;) 

 

20 hours ago, crystal sage said:

;)   They could have cremated the  dead in those days.. ( Gobleki Tepe)   ...

 

 

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9731392/hancocks-smoking-gun-evidence-that-comet-destroyed-ancient-civilisation-hidden-at-gobekli-tepe-gunung-padang/

 

http://meeting.physanth.org/program/2015/session03/gresky-2015-decoration-and-cremation-of-neolithic-human-bones-from-gobekli-tepe-turkey.html

 

there seem to be some discreet hints of skeletons of giants found in Gobleki Tepe..    but that could be 'Fake News' that has been going on for centuries ..   ;) 

Just because the Gobleki Tepes builders dug up these sites,  there were old prehistoric humans  bones that landed on top.  Does`nt mean these bones had anything to do with the people, or of that  time that they were built.  

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4 hours ago, Hanslune said:

I beg to differ its not 'fake', it just has alternative methods of being viewed and understood by those having different perspectives and reflecting the temperament and acceptance of contra-indications of reality.

So .....  not fake  .....   sorry   

 

Its  nuts .

 

Crystal Sage has a habit of continually flooding threads with anything nuts   she can get her hands on.  

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5 hours ago, Hanslune said:

I beg to differ its not 'fake', it just has alternative methods of being viewed and understood by those having different perspectives and reflecting the temperament and acceptance of contra-indications of reality.

That's about the most diplomatic thing I've ever heard.

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