warden Posted February 3, 2005 #26 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Watch out here comes Kilroy Silk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted February 4, 2005 #27 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Because under this regime you have everything and we have nothing. Why should you have your cake and eat it. regime? lol i think living under the khmer rouge was a regime, we do not live under a "regime" . What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid. Bet all those guys in the French, Norweigen etc Resistance during WW2 had football as the last thing on their mind. Liking a Sport does NOT define national alliagence I take it your a memeber of the SRA then lol??? You know your now comparing the comfortable , democratic life you have now to the life the resistance fighters of WW2 had , by doing that your comparing Labour to the nazis , it is you who is stupid for doing that not i. The simple fact is our lifes are so comfrotable the only things we need to worry about are trivial things. Likewise I want to live in a country which doesn't have such a low opinion of itself that it believes it needs hand-outs from England to survive no u want to live in a country that survives on handouts from the EU. Not likely, in your own words I can't because I don't like football. Anyway, its you whose insulting your fellow Scots left right and centre just because they want freedom. What the hell are u talking about? I never insulted you , i insulted alex salmond ...so what i hate the guy, dont take it so bloody personaly. Its not that when your insulting your fellow brits like tony blair and so on , see it works 2 ways . BTW your not in the majority pal. If you were the SNP would be in charge in the scottish parliament wouldt they? So why dont you give the majority a chance to speak their opinion as you do and stop accusing us of being anti-scottish and insulting. Big enough in every other country which is our size. We have freedom and we live in luxury (for the most) I dont want to simply survive , i love being scottish AND being british. BTW if the majority wanted indepence id disagreebut id get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 4, 2005 #28 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Come on people bring down my post ...the only thing is if you do you bring down labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 5, 2005 #29 Share Posted February 5, 2005 regime? lol i think living under the khmer rouge was a regime, we do not live under a "regime" . Actually regime is defined to as the highest authority in government. Its just your opinion that it is to be taken as a negative term. I take it your a memeber of the SRA then lol??? No. You know your now comparing the comfortable , democratic life you have now to the life the resistance fighters of WW2 had , by doing that your comparing Labour to the nazis , it is you who is stupid for doing that not i. The simple fact is our lifes are so comfrotable the only things we need to worry about are trivial things. Nonsense. What are you on about? I'm pointing out that your claim that someone's addiction to sport is what determines their patriotism is utter rubbish. And I never compared Labour to the Nazis, I'm pointing out that I'm pretty sure the French resistance were patriotic, but I bet sports were the last thing on my mind. And as for calling me 'stupid', well if its your wish to lower yourself to such an imature level of debating, then surely it would be you who is 'stupid' for making up such an ubsurd claim that one has to have a favour football team before they can support their country. n o u want to live in a country that survives on handouts from the EU. Which differs from your wish to live on handouts from Westminster how? At least with an independent country we'll have our own voice in the EU rather than someone else talking for us. Anyway, I have already listed numerous other countries in Europe which has decent economies and are the same or smaller size, and noth of them go on about not being about to survive without being a member of a larger neighbour. What the hell are u talking about? I never insulted you Actually you called me 'stupid' just a second ago. I flave my Msc in Political Research card to prove thats not the case, problem is normally when I do you start calling me arogant as well. i insulted alex salmond ...so what i hate the guy, dont take it so bloody personaly. Its not that when your insulting your fellow brits like tony blair and so on , see it works 2 ways . I'm not taking it personally, your the one calling people 'stupid', I'm just pointing out to really seem to have a negative bias against those who want independence and just wondering if that could affect your willingness to see any evidence that shows Britain is detrimental to Scotland. Also drop that 'wanting independence is insulting English' rubbish or whatever it was that your implying but claiming I insult 'fellow brits'. As I have stated a thousand times on this site, but always to deaf ears, having national pride and wishing self-determination for your people does not count as racism. Unless you want to claim your fear of Brussels is racist?... as far as I know it isn't. So its actually you should be aware that it works 2-ways. BTW your not in the majority pal. If you were the SNP would be in charge in the scottish parliament wouldt they? Again, your sounding very aggressive for what is supposed to be a freindly chat (although its getting increasingly hard to keep a civil tongue with you when your in this mood). But if we take into account that 18% of the electorate in Scotland arn't Scottish, then take into account that 20% of those who vote Labour want independence are just traditionally Labour votes (to keep the Tories out or something, who knows how these people's minds work). Also take into account that the last election was dne after our worst leader ever, then that total comes a lot closer together. Also a lot of those who don't want independence are the same ones who spout that 'Small countries can't make it on there own' Tory slogan from Thatcher's day. So why dont you give the majority a chance to speak their opinion as you do and stop accusing us of being anti-scottish and insulting. I have never accused you of being anti-Scottish, your the one who came up with that arguement, started talking about sports etc and has gotten on a high horse, getting paraniod and defensive and snapping. You are insulting though, as you tone is not only hostile but you have already called me names such as 'stupid'. I'm just trying to have a mature debate here, why can't you? We have freedom and we live in luxury (for the most) Well maybe you do, but I can't agree with you on that. Not while the average wage in Scotland (central belt) is 6% less than in England and climbs to 16% less in the Highlands. I dont want to simply survive , i love being scottish AND being british. Again your being defensive. As I recall I've not said anything contary. Again I'm trying to have an intellegence debate and am asking questions. Your getting all hostile and acting as if I'm trying to convert you, if you recall it was you who first commented on my politics and started this mess not the other way around. BTW if the majority wanted indepence id disagreebut id get on with it. Somehow I doubt that, humans have a tendancy to be vocal about their politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted February 6, 2005 #30 Share Posted February 6, 2005 What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid i think youll find you called me stupid in the above comment , i responded to that insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted February 6, 2005 #31 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Also drop that 'wanting independence is insulting English' rubbish or whatever it was that your implying but claiming I insult 'fellow brits'. As I have stated a thousand times on this site, but always to deaf ears, having national pride and wishing self-determination for your people does not count as racism. Unless you want to claim your fear of Brussels is racist?... as far as I know it isn't. So its actually you should be aware that it works 2-ways. If i thought that u claiming you were insulting the ENglish then i wouldve said it , your putting words into my mouth, i merley stated im proud to be british how is there amy hidden meaning in that?? I dont know where u got that one from really. To be honest ive probably been more insulting to english people on this site than you have before and you should know that.... Nonsense. What are you on about? I'm pointing out that your claim that someone's addiction to sport is what determines their patriotism is utter rubbish. And I never compared Labour to the Nazis, I'm pointing out that I'm pretty sure the French resistance were patriotic, but I bet sports were the last thing on my mind What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid. Bet all those guys in the French, Norweigen etc Resistance during WW2 had football as the last thing on their mind. Liking a Sport does NOT define national alliagence you were the one as you can see who started bringing WW2 into the equation and resitance fighters not me, you were making redundant comments regarding this , i was talking in context of today and modern life , how are you more patriotic than me ? how do you quantify it? Look my thoughts on independance are if I beleived it would work then great. I just dont think it would. I enjoy being british as well. The insults were pretty petty although you might not admit to insulting me i never directly insulted you if you read what i actually wrote youll see how it was in defence of what u said originally to me. I cant be bothered gettin into a debate or falling out over this. We have entirely different views but its not the end of the world lets agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lottie Posted February 6, 2005 #32 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I like Bugger Blair and through all the snivelling at least he makes a stand regardless of the media and half the country being against him. Its better than having 'whats his name again??' Howard. I will leave the country if he is voted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 6, 2005 #33 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Well then the quicker he is voted in the better He makes a stand ,give me a break,how firm is he standing over imagration,giveing us a ferarendum now on EUROPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo fighter Posted February 7, 2005 #34 Share Posted February 7, 2005 yo celtic boy, hope the Gers beat youz on sunday They didn't, hah hah... Which given that most Gers fans essentially appear to be little-England (ironically), sub-racist, UDA sympathising, quasi fascist ****, is no bad thing, IMO. But then again, we ARE only talking about football, aren't we... ?? (and I support Oxford Utd and live in Wales anyway, so why should I care... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo fighter Posted February 7, 2005 #35 Share Posted February 7, 2005 PS -- how is patriotism any better than (religious) fundamentalism? BOTH involve making automatic assumptions (my faith, my country/ race right or wrong, regardless of common sense/ basic HUMANITY or even history/ experience, etc). In my opinion, we (human beings) will never progress until we learn to dump BOTH these mindless, illogical & DESTRUCTIVE instincts -- patriotism AND fundamentalism (which are often interlinked anyway, aren't they .. the Nazis were "patriots" (and proud of it), the Russian Stalinists were also patriots .. ditto Saddams Republican Guard, Cromwells NMA, blah blah etc) .. both are based on similar instincts and both are potentially similalrly destructive. Dump patiotism AND (religious) fundamentalism and maybe we'll get somewhere .. otherwise, we'll simply have centuries of more Hallabja's, more Fallujah's, etc-- YIPPEE!!!! Can't wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekorig Posted February 7, 2005 #36 Share Posted February 7, 2005 i whish someone invent FTL engines, so i coul led some people whit comon sense out of this global circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star_child Posted February 7, 2005 #37 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Y'all probably won't like my opinion, but I absolutely hate Tony Blair. Look at 'the Troubles' in Ireland. He has promised to sort them out! As if! I think he is useless and so far up george bushes behind that it is unbelievable! Although I hate all the government and politics and the monarchy and presidents of the whole world, Tony Blair is one of the biggest twits. Yeah, I'm glad that our country isn't like the one in the Middle East, but come on Mr. Blair! You suck! Go to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 7, 2005 #38 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Y'all probably won't like my opinion, but I absolutely hate Tony Blair. Look at 'the Troubles' in Ireland. He has promised to sort them out! As if! I think he is useless and so far up george bushes behind that it is unbelievable! Although I hate all the government and politics and the monarchy and presidents of the whole world, Tony Blair is one of the biggest twits. Yeah, I'm glad that our country isn't like the one in the Middle East, but come on Mr. Blair! You suck! Go to hell! 478966[/snapback] Lets see how far he is up bushes **** when the Iran question is put to him...he will run a mile He cant wait to get out of Iraq so he can consetrate on the election and throwing all our powers away to an unalected ,greedy jumped up bunch f-cking wan-ers the way some people go on about the middle east you would think they were dieing to be there......theres not mutch stoping them when you think of it.go go go is there any body you do like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 10, 2005 #39 Share Posted February 10, 2005 (edited) I dont know where u got that one from really. I believe it was this statement here; “Its not that when your insulting your fellow brits like tony blair and so on” Maybe I miss read it and you meant about Tony and Alex. you were the one as you can see who started bringing WW2 into the equation and resitance fighters not me, you were making redundant comments regarding this , i was talking in context of today and modern life , how are you more patriotic than me ? how do you quantify it? I’m not trying to blow the situation out of proportion, I used the WW2 example to show the errors in claiming football was a defining aspect of patriotism. I believe that it is indeed likely that supporting Scotland in the world cup etc is a single of nationalism, however it does not define it. Look my thoughts on independance are if I beleived it would work then great. I just dont think it would. I enjoy being british as well. Yes, which I have been meaning to ask you about. I have some work due in a few months about Scottish devolution in which I need to interview pro- and against- independence individual to gain insight on the two views. As you’re the only person I know who doesn’t vote SNP/SSP could I ask you a few questions sometime on these reasons over. A friendly discussion to find out your points of view on the matter, no arguing, no attempts to covert, no attacking your posistion etc. I cant be bothered gettin into a debate or falling out over this. We have entirely different views but its not the end of the world lets agree to disagree. agreed I like Bugger Blair and through all the snivelling at least he makes a stand regardless of the media and half the country being against him. Its better than having 'whats his name again??' Howard. I will leave the country if he is voted in. Oh, I think anyone is better than Howard… unless they called Thatcher out of retirement BOTH involve making automatic assumptions (my faith, my country/ race right or wrong, regardless of common sense/ basic HUMANITY or even history/ experience, etc). In my opinion, we (human beings) will never progress until we learn to dump BOTH these mindless, illogical & DESTRUCTIVE instincts -- patriotism AND fundamentalism (which are often interlinked anyway, aren't they .. the Nazis were "patriots" (and proud of it), the Russian Stalinists were also patriots .. ditto Saddams Republican Guard, Cromwells NMA, blah blah etc) .. both are based on similar instincts and both are potentially similalrly destructive. Actually your making the assumption anyone who is patriotic is an ultra-nationalist, which isn’t the case. Anyone who supports there country in a World Cup can be explained as a nationalist, doesn’t mean they want to ethnically cleanse the opposition. Dump patiotism AND (religious) fundamentalism and maybe we'll get somewhere .. otherwise, we'll simply have centuries of more Hallabja's, more Fallujah's, etc-- YIPPEE!!!! Can't wait Not really, nether me or Win are out there killing each other over our disagreements. Those that tend to do so are usually insane or from uncivilized nations. Edited February 10, 2005 by Talon S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star_child Posted February 12, 2005 #40 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Y'all probably won't like my opinion, but I absolutely hate Tony Blair. Look at 'the Troubles' in Ireland. He has promised to sort them out! As if! I think he is useless and so far up george bushes behind that it is unbelievable! Although I hate all the government and politics and the monarchy and presidents of the whole world, Tony Blair is one of the biggest twits. Yeah, I'm glad that our country isn't like the one in the Middle East, but come on Mr. Blair! You suck! Go to hell! 478966[/snapback] Lets see how far he is up bushes **** when the Iran question is put to him...he will run a mile He cant wait to get out of Iraq so he can consetrate on the election and throwing all our powers away to an unalected ,greedy jumped up bunch f-cking wan-ers the way some people go on about the middle east you would think they were dieing to be there......theres not mutch stoping them when you think of it.go go go is there any body you do like ? 479164[/snapback] no way, not politicians. They are all idiots. The grass in my garden could run the world better than all the politicians in the world could put together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 12, 2005 #41 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Y'all probably won't like my opinion, but I absolutely hate Tony Blair. Look at 'the Troubles' in Ireland. He has promised to sort them out! As if! I think he is useless and so far up george bushes behind that it is unbelievable! Although I hate all the government and politics and the monarchy and presidents of the whole world, Tony Blair is one of the biggest twits. Yeah, I'm glad that our country isn't like the one in the Middle East, but come on Mr. Blair! You suck! Go to hell! 478966[/snapback] Lets see how far he is up bushes **** when the Iran question is put to him...he will run a mile He cant wait to get out of Iraq so he can consetrate on the election and throwing all our powers away to an unalected ,greedy jumped up bunch f-cking wan-ers the way some people go on about the middle east you would think they were dieing to be there......theres not mutch stoping them when you think of it.go go go is there any body you do like ? 479164[/snapback] no way, not politicians. They are all idiots. The grass in my garden could run the world better than all the politicians in the world could put together! 484948[/snapback] Quick send me some of your GRASS right away if it is that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star_child Posted February 12, 2005 #42 Share Posted February 12, 2005 lol, thats just it. Its not. But it is better than **** face tony blair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 12, 2005 #43 Share Posted February 12, 2005 We must have similar minds on tony blair .what about that excuse he calls his wife,she is a lawyer on human rights,what about our human rights having to watch them sliming all over each other on tv.makes me want to puke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star_child Posted February 12, 2005 #44 Share Posted February 12, 2005 human rights? dude i never knew that...well at least now I know who to blame when life is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted February 12, 2005 #45 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Yes, which I have been meaning to ask you about. I have some work due in a few months about Scottish devolution in which I need to interview pro- and against- independence individual to gain insight on the two views. As you’re the only person I know who doesn’t vote SNP/SSP could I ask you a few questions sometime on these reasons over. A friendly discussion to find out your points of view on the matter, no arguing, no attempts to covert, no attacking your posistion etc yeah cool just let me know when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 13, 2005 #46 Share Posted February 13, 2005 yeah cool just let me know when. Thanks Its a few months off still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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