Is North Korea really a problem?

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Yamato said:

You're the one disparaging M.A.D. not me.  I find it perfectly plausible that nations you don't happen to like for political reasons will enjoy M.A.D. as much as you, or we do.   It follows from my reply above that concepts such as those (as well as destroy and be destroyed) apply to both actors we like and actors we don't.   "What's good for the goose...."

 

Yeeah okay.   What Kim knows.  Sure.

Probably more than you do. You don't even make sense anymore, you just verbally spasm. get a grip.

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Merc14 said:

It's would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.   The fun problem is to figure out exactly what mental disorder we are dealing with!   Don't worry, I have already warned him of the dangers of not seeking professional help etc. etc.

 

19 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Seriously??? WTF history books have you read?  Go back to sleep silly, you are embarrassing yourself.  

He can't hear us. Radio Vladivostok is playing too loud in the background.

[Likely Guy]

26 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

 

He can't hear us. Radio Vladivostok is playing too loud in the background.

I'd grab a page out of the 'ole playbook about now.

[+Hammerclaw]

7 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

I'd grab a page out of the 'ole playbook about now.

Nah, just some more tea and Kerrygold cheddar.

[Likely Guy]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Nah, just some more tea and Kerrygold cheddar.

The latter I'm not familiar with.

[+susieice]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-north-korea-nuclear-weapons-test-point-no-return-state-media-newspaper-us-south-korea-military-a7701161.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/china-warned-n-korea-of-sanctions-after-any-nuclear-test-tillerson.html

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/04/27/n-koreas-chilling-video-of-mock-attacks-on-u-s-will-ripley-the-lead.cnn

Edited April 28, 2017 by susieice

[Yamato]

2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Probably more than you do. You don't even make sense anymore, you just verbally spasm. get a grip.

Well I'm sorry if admitting that you and I know don't know beans about what Kim knows sounds like a verbal spasm but frankly we don't, Hammerclaw.

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

The latter I'm not familiar with.

A brand of Irish Cheese.                             

[+Hammerclaw]

47 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Well I'm sorry if admitting that you and I know don't know beans about what Kim knows sounds like a verbal spasm but frankly we don't, Hammerclaw.

More life half your posts, lately. 

[Space Commander Travis]

8 hours ago, aquatus1 said:

Godwin is telling you to knock it off, Yamato.

So is bin Laden the new Hitler now? Surely he's old hat now. he's the old new Hitler. The new Hitler is Putin or Kim Jong thingy, surely. 

[Space Commander Travis]

5 hours ago, Yamato said:

Either we think we can monopolize these concepts or they apply both ways aquatus.   And (unfortunately) they do apply both ways, and the game we're playing is "Push me Shove you" and violence and conflict are the results we get.

Can we defend ourselves in the US without going around the world picking fights?  Obviously we can, but we don't want to.   So my advice for my country is to be more like Japan.  Imagine that, huh?

Japan (or its current leader, Abe) seems to want to be the new, er, Emperor Hirohito again .. http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/25/abe-is-taking-japan-back-to-the-bad-old-fascism/ 

[Space Commander Travis]

5 hours ago, The Silver Thong said:

The meat and potatoes of the U.S. economy is war. The U.S. lost every war since the Mexico U.S. war but they need tax payers dollars to police the world..

Including 1918 and 1945? 

 

[Yamato]

Anyway we're now getting this from the President:

"There is a chance that we could end up having a major, major conflict with North Korea. Absolutely,”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a9ab7ba6-118d-3095-b86a-3707d4fec229/ss_in-interview-trump-says.html

But do we have any precedent at all for these double adjectives.  It turns out that yes in fact we do in Commandant Lassard.

 

[Yamato]

10 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Japan (or its current leader, Abe) seems to want to be the new, er, Emperor Hirohito again .. http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/25/abe-is-taking-japan-back-to-the-bad-old-fascism/ 

Well so long as Trump thinks it's a very very good idea I'm sure Abe will.

[Frank Merton]

It looks to me the world may shortly have a third use of a nuclear bomb -- on Pyong Yang.  I don't know if the American people will ever forgive Trump for it, as it will be an eternal stain on them.

[+and-then]

On 4/26/2017 at 9:21 AM, Ellapennella said:

What do you mean by that? I don't see it that way.

Maybe I should have used a different phrase.  "The ball is in China's court"  IOW, China has the power to let the air out of this situation and stop the Norks before hundreds of thousands die.  If they don't act, then the president might feel he has no choice and that is going to end really badly for a LOT of people.  We could lose thousands of soldiers in a brief, vicious fight.  Seoul would be devastated by artillery fire, even if it were ONLY high explosives.  If Kim ordered the use of Sarin, the casualties would be horrific.  The longer this thing goes on unresolved, I worry that the little despot might decide to go out in a blaze of glory.  If he really doesn't trust the Chinese to keep their word, he may feel he has nothing left to lose.  If that is how this is shaping up, I hope the generals he's surrounded by have a plan B.  THEY may not feel the need to die with him.

[Yamato]

Well the vampire ghoul Ds and Rs couldn't care less about people dying from only high explosives, in fact they're quite, quite fond of it.

[Space Commander Travis]

18 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Well the vampire ghoul Ds and Rs couldn't care less about people dying from only high explosives, in fact they're quite, quite fond of it.

just as long as ours is always bigger than theirs.

[bee]

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Just now, The Silver Thong said:

The meat and potatoes of the U.S. economy is war. The U.S. lost every war since the Mexico U.S. war but they need tax payers dollars to police the world.

Im no fan of NK and now the UK says they will deliver a first strick with nukes. Not good.

 

Just now, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Including 1918 and 1945? 

 

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Not sure what went on in WW1 but re. WW2 ---- weren't there some major shenanigans about the US and even Britain
at some early point batting for both sides -- ? --- so maybe Silver Thong is half right about those wars..?... dunno ....

It could be speculated that the Hitler lead National Socialist movement was an early example of a proxy army -
 to support  invading and conquering Russia - but when Russia started to win the US entered the war militarily
on the Allies side to keep it's influence in Europe -- ..... ???

 

https://www.sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-II

Seventy years ago the greatest massacre in history began - with the financing from the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System of the United States. 

[snip]

The key structures of the West's post-war strategy were the central financial institutions of the United States and Great Britain - the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System - coupled with financial-industrial organizations, who set out to establish absolute control over the financial system in Germany to manage the politics of Central Europe. The implementation of this strategy included the following steps: 

1st: 1919-1924 - Preparing the grounds for massive American financial investments in the German economy. 
2nd: 1924-1929 - Establishing control over the financial system and funding the National-Socialist movement. 
3rd: 1929-1933 - Inciting and unleashing a deep economic crisis ensuring the Nazis would rise to power. 
4th: 1933-1939 - Financial cooperation with the Nazi government and support for its expansionist foreign policy, aimed at preparing and unleashing the new world war.

 

 

[Space Commander Travis]

I think you're heading into the realm of conspiracy there, bee. 

[bee]

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Staying with the 'economic theme' for a minute -- even though economics is not my forte -

I came across this article on another forum and I wonder if something like this might calm the US down when
it comes to North Korea -- ie not actually bombing it and continuing to work with the Chinese to find a mutually
agreeable non violent solution --

http://tass.com/politics/942643

YALTA, April 21. /TASS/. The only way to stop US aggression is to get rid of dollar addiction, a Kremlin advisor said on Friday.

"The more aggressive the Americans are, the sooner they will see the final collapse of the dollar and by getting rid of the dollar this would be the only way for victims of American aggression to stop this onslaught. As soon as we and China dump the dollar, it will be the end of the US’ military might," Sergey Glazyev said in an interview with TASS.

 

Commenting on the policy of the new US president, Glazyev noted that Donald Trump is doing what the ruling elite expects him to do.

"I had no illusions about him, regarding any change in policy. First, America’s aggression around the world is rooted in its aspiration to preserve US hegemony when they have already yielded economic leadership to China," he said.

 

"The United States has no tools to make all others use the dollar other than a truncheon. That is why they are indulging in a hybrid war with the entire world to shift their debt burden on to other countries, to confine everyone to the dollar and weaken territories they cannot control."

"In this context, the anti-Russian hysteria and growing Russophobia can be seen as a long-term factor linked with the specific interests of the United States’ ruling elite," the Kremlin advisor said.

 

[bee]

Just now, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

I think you're heading into the realm of conspiracy there, bee. 

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"they don't like it up em, they do not like it up em"

 

 

Edited April 28, 2017 by bee

[ellapenella]

4 hours ago, and then said:

Maybe I should have used a different phrase.  "The ball is in China's court"  IOW, China has the power to let the air out of this situation and stop the Norks before hundreds of thousands die.  If they don't act, then the president might feel he has no choice and that is going to end really badly for a LOT of people.  We could lose thousands of soldiers in a brief, vicious fight.  Seoul would be devastated by artillery fire, even if it were ONLY high explosives.  If Kim ordered the use of Sarin, the casualties would be horrific.  The longer this thing goes on unresolved, I worry that the little despot might decide to go out in a blaze of glory.  If he really doesn't trust the Chinese to keep their word, he may feel he has nothing left to lose.  If that is how this is shaping up, I hope the generals he's surrounded by have a plan B.  THEY may not feel the need to die with him.

I remember what they said back in the late nineties, they were expressing how impatient they were in waiting on a nwo and that they wanted it to happen now back then. I know you seen this but they're p***ed off at us for having to take charge about this situation . They demanded that SK remove the THAAD system that  our nation set up.

eta

 does anyone feel somewhat safer with that system set up over there? I'm thankful that it's there, it's needed there.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Ellapennella

[Lilly]

4 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

It looks to me the world may shortly have a third use of a nuclear bomb -- on Pyong Yang.  I don't know if the American people will ever forgive Trump for it, as it will be an eternal stain on them.

If anyone is going to be tossing around nuclear weapons in a fit of pique it will be Kim Jong Un.

This particular family regime is repressive likes of which haven't been seen since Stalin. KJU is a horrific dictator with a great deal of blood on his hands, yet you conclude that President Trump is the one most likely to 'lose it' and start lobbing nukes here and there.

No wonder the world is so damn messed up.

[Lilly]

Oh, and to clarify a few points, the United States has won wars. The most memorable being one that took place back in the 1940s, you might have heard of it, WWII?

Second, most Americans do not revel in the death of others. However, when it comes down to a choice of us dying vs those who are trying to destroy us dying then yeah, we will use force.

If Lil' Kim lobs a nuke at any of his neighbors then the USA is obviously next in line, and we will act to stop him BAMN (by any means necessary).