Farmer77 Posted April 28, 2017 #526 Share Posted April 28, 2017 North Korea fires ballistic missile, US official says Update on the story, RT is reporting the missile failed, CNN is reporting it launched and landed in the sea of Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 28, 2017 #527 Share Posted April 28, 2017 They managed to hit the Sea of Japan? Hold me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted April 28, 2017 #528 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I'm wondering now if the middles are failing on purpose. Not sabatoge but by Kim's order. That way he gets to talk tough yet back down from the fight without looking like a chicken. Edit: missiles not middles Edited April 29, 2017 by F3SS 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 29, 2017 #529 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I wonder if someone else is helping his missiles fail. Sounds like he was attempting to scare Japan. The boy is a fool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #530 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Some good conspiracy theories coming out here, I'm glad to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 29, 2017 #531 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: They managed to hit the Sea of Japan? Hold me. Exactly and that's what they hit every single time so don't buy into Donald Trump's kool aid fear mongering about Kim's "ICBMs". Every time he fires a missile it goes *ploop* right into the drink a few hundred miles away, if it even launches at all. Really, who is actually scared of North Korea? At least Japan is right across the pond and the Emperor is dead already. A prudent response to China's buildup and North Korea's antagonism would be to take the limiters off Japan's "self defense" military and let them rebuild their decimated forces. But I know...foreigners live in a safety bubble of entitlement complex where the US "takes care of" them while they assure their loyalty in rhetoric only. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted April 29, 2017 #532 Share Posted April 29, 2017 In the face of serious threats from China and the US, he launches again. I'm beginning to really wonder about his sanity. I heard someone today who said Seoul was the most densely populated city on the planet. About 25 million people. The fact that we've seen no panic or even war drills from the ROK government tells me they know something we don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted April 29, 2017 #533 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I think the North Koreans are going to quietly go away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 29, 2017 #534 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, and then said: In the face of serious threats from China and the US, he launches again. I'm beginning to really wonder about his sanity. I heard someone today who said Seoul was the most densely populated city on the planet. About 25 million people. The fact that we've seen no panic or even war drills from the ROK government tells me they know something we don't. Well check what someone sezz next time because it's not even close. Extrapolating from 2012 numbers at 22M and 10k, it's a bit over 11,000/km2 That doesn't account for a breakdown of smaller parts of the city where people may be really packed in. But even if you were right, it's all the more reason not to rattle sabres. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #535 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Yamato said: Exactly and that's what they hit every single time so don't buy into Donald Trump's kool aid fear mongering about Kim's "ICBMs". Every time he fires a missile it goes *ploop* right into the drink a few hundred miles away, if it even launches at all. That might, however, have unfortunate consequences if it was to land on a ship that happened to be passing by. i doubt NK would be too scrupulous about maintaining exclusion zones and warning shipping to keep clear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #536 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Yamato said: Really, who is actually scared of North Korea? At least Japan is right across the pond and the Emperor is dead already. A prudent response to China's buildup and North Korea's antagonism would be to take the limiters off Japan's "self defense" military and let them rebuild their decimated forces. That seems to be what Honest Abe, their current leader, seems to be wanting to do. He's recently brought back the recitation of the pledge of allegiance to the Emperor in schools and has begun building up what is, in effect, with the addition of VSTOL aircraft, a carrier strike force, and has also, interestingly, said that Mein Kampf would be a useful teaching aid in schools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted April 29, 2017 #537 Share Posted April 29, 2017 3 hours ago, and then said: In the face of serious threats from China and the US, he launches again. I'm beginning to really wonder about his sanity. I heard someone today who said Seoul was the most densely populated city on the planet. About 25 million people. The fact that we've seen no panic or even war drills from the ROK government tells me they know something we don't. S. Korea and US did several evacuation drills throughout January and February. US and South Korea hold joint military exercise lots of war drills going on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted April 29, 2017 #538 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, F3SS said: I'm wondering now if the middles are failing on purpose. Not sabatoge but by Kim's order. That way he gets to talk tough yet back down from the fight without looking like a chicken. Edit: missiles not middles I'd say that's crediting him with too much intelligence. It's more likely that the failures are due to pushing too fast for results, on limited resources. I'd imagine he's like a spoiled child, angrily demanding that those around him bring him his toys, NOW! For anyone questioning whether Kim Jong-un is actually mad, consider this; if he stopped ranting and raving about destroying non-existent Western enemies, and abandoned his nuclear ambitions, North Korea, with its location between South Korea and China, could easily be one of the biggest economic growth areas on the planet. His conventional military would probably even have a massive boost economically and technologically if he abandoned the nuclear aspect. He's living proof that raising a child to believe that they are some kind of deity is not a good idea. Edited April 29, 2017 by LV-426 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 29, 2017 #539 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: That might, however, have unfortunate consequences if it was to land on a ship that happened to be passing by. i doubt NK would be too scrupulous about maintaining exclusion zones and warning shipping to keep clear. I feel compelled to warn everyone to take special precautions for being struck by lightning because that also might happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 29, 2017 #540 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: That seems to be what Honest Abe, their current leader, seems to be wanting to do. He's recently brought back the recitation of the pledge of allegiance to the Emperor in schools and has begun building up what is, in effect, with the addition of VSTOL aircraft, a carrier strike force, and has also, interestingly, said that Mein Kampf would be a useful teaching aid in schools. You make it sound like free brownie points for the Trumpster. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/04/15/national/social-issues/japan-tolerates-use-hitlers-autobiography-schools/#.WQR4NNy1uUk I don't see the big deal. Don't be morbidly afraid of reading what Hitler wrote or anything related to the Holocaust for that matter. That's what all that Godwin's crap is. People are mortified to make comparisons so they have little whistles to obstruct discussion. Because God forbid one does some homework about the Nazis and realizes that we talk and act just like them. Of course Japanese can learn from it. If we don't learn from history we're doomed to repeat it. And this OP is the kind of topic where there is no if -- we are doomed to repeat it. Most likely in Syria, the proxy of Iran and Russia. Although a better question for the Foreign Policy thread, what is US foreign policy in N. Korea? Is Donald Trump going to launch another one of his beautiful missile strikes if North Korea detonates another nuke? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted April 29, 2017 #541 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Just now, Yamato said: Is Donald Trump going to launch another one of his beautiful missile strikes if North Korea detonates another nuke? Nahh itll be because the N. Koreans commit a "terrorist attack" using a chemical or bio weapon once enough negative trump stories stack up in the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted April 29, 2017 #542 Share Posted April 29, 2017 34 minutes ago, LV-426 said: I'd say that's crediting him with too much intelligence. I agree. That was just a fleeting thought. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #543 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) Kim Jong-Un Pretends to Fly a Plane The (actual) commentary is priceless. Edited April 29, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 29, 2017 #544 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Yamato said: Exactly and that's what they hit every single time so don't buy into Donald Trump's kool aid fear mongering about Kim's "ICBMs". Every time he fires a missile it goes *ploop* right into the drink a few hundred miles away, if it even launches at all. Really, who is actually scared of North Korea? At least Japan is right across the pond and the Emperor is dead already. A prudent response to China's buildup and North Korea's antagonism would be to take the limiters off Japan's "self defense" military and let them rebuild their decimated forces. But I know...foreigners live in a safety bubble of entitlement complex where the US "takes care of" them while they assure their loyalty in rhetoric only. The Japanese themselves are loathe to rebuild their military, no one is holding them back. As for Korea, their capabilities down the road is what concerns me. Better to put an end to this frozen conflict now, than later, when their ballistic missile subs may be lurking off our coasts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #545 Share Posted April 29, 2017 58 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: The Japanese themselves are loathe to rebuild their military, no one is holding them back. They're not at all loathe to rebuild their military, they've already got one of the strongest in Asia and they're expanding still further. Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Japan Air Self-Defense Force Japan Ground Self-Defense Force 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted April 29, 2017 #546 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) Here's your Firepower League Table http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp Japan are 7th with North Korea coming in at 23rd. South Korea are 11th. Edited April 29, 2017 by Eldorado 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einsteinium Posted April 29, 2017 #547 Share Posted April 29, 2017 11 hours ago, Yamato said: Exactly and that's what they hit every single time so don't buy into Donald Trump's kool aid fear mongering about Kim's "ICBMs". Every time he fires a missile it goes *ploop* right into the drink a few hundred miles away, if it even launches at all. Really, who is actually scared of North Korea? At least Japan is right across the pond and the Emperor is dead already. A prudent response to China's buildup and North Korea's antagonism would be to take the limiters off Japan's "self defense" military and let them rebuild their decimated forces. But I know...foreigners live in a safety bubble of entitlement complex where the US "takes care of" them while they assure their loyalty in rhetoric only. It really makes me wonder, the smartest people in NK who have to be able to think objectively and use science are the engineers and scientists who are the ones actually doing the work of building his nukes and missiles. They are smart enough to know that they need to follow orders, but there are many ways they themselves could sabotage his efforts to prevent a madman from obtaining these terrifying capabilities. I have heard similar stories of NAZI scientists doing similar things to slow down the German nuclear program behind the scenes. Perhaps the NK people are the key here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted April 29, 2017 #548 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Farmer77 said: S. Korea and US did several evacuation drills throughout January and February. US and South Korea hold joint military exercise lots of war drills going on too. That link was about combat air power coordination. Do you have a link for the evacuation drills, please? I haven't seen any mention of it. If they are indeed working on such plans, actively, then this is potentially more troubling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted April 29, 2017 #549 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 hours ago, LV-426 said: I'd say that's crediting him with too much intelligence. It's more likely that the failures are due to pushing too fast for results, on limited resources. I'd imagine he's like a spoiled child, angrily demanding that those around him bring him his toys, NOW! For anyone questioning whether Kim Jong-un is actually mad, consider this; if he stopped ranting and raving about destroying non-existent Western enemies, and abandoned his nuclear ambitions, North Korea, with its location between South Korea and China, could easily be one of the biggest economic growth areas on the planet. His conventional military would probably even have a massive boost economically and technologically if he abandoned the nuclear aspect. He's living proof that raising a child to believe that they are some kind of deity is not a good idea. So true. And if he had the ability to break out of that mindset he'd be showered with tech and investment that would make him go down in their history as the greatest of "Great Leaders". Instead, it looks like he's just going to die and take a million or so with him. Same old, tired story with all too much human suffering attached. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 29, 2017 #550 Share Posted April 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, and then said: That link was about combat air power coordination. Do you have a link for the evacuation drills, please? I haven't seen any mention of it. If they are indeed working on such plans, actively, then this is potentially more troubling. More troubling? Sensible contingency planning, surely, and probably something that they'd had as a contingency plan for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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