Is North Korea really a problem?

[bee]

Just now, Yamato said:

It would be, if you still buy the campaign hype.   I didn't buy it then and it's clearly false now.   It was Clintonesque how Trump just said "I'm a nationalist and a globalist." The everyman retort, the political yes man.

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haha --- the things politicians have to do and say to even get some of the job done that they promised their voters ---  ---  

compromise and diplomacy...?....

I wasn't really talking about the Campaign hype - more observing what's going on all over the world -

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[Emma_Acid]

19 hours ago, Lilly said:

meant to be humorous

That's going to be on my gravestone

[Lilly]

16 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said:

That's going to be on my gravestone

Well, thanks to the inherent absurdity of life we all mean to be humorous.

As for the discussion about how our society can better itself in the current world, we have to accept that the golden really does apply. Those who have the gold do indeed rule. However, it does matter which system they are using to rule us. In some instance we will all be serfs with little to no chance of betterment. In other systems we at least have a chance of obtaining a better life. For example, right now everyone is screeching about Trump's proposed tax cuts, especially for business. Just helping the rich, right? Think again, this will also help small business in a big way. The result will be a boom in the economy and helpful for the middle class. The current stock market reflects this hope. This worked when JFK did it and it worked when Reagan did it and IMO it will work again.

Socialism, Communism and the Oligarchy governments they tend to produce are not beneficial for a country. Look at the difference between North Korea and South Korea if you doubt this to be the case. Those who have the gold rule in both locations but the outcome for the people has been very different. Ask yourself which Korea you'd rather live in.

[Frank Merton]

We will make some progress toward bettering ourselves if we stop the form of judgmentalism involved in attaching labels to people.  At the moment I seem to be a "liberal" and a "socialist" while six months ago I was the opposite.  We attach a label like that and right away we think we know everything that person thinks, which is obviously stupid but that is what happens.

[Einsteinium]

15 minutes ago, Frank Merton said:

We will make some progress toward bettering ourselves if we stop the form of judgmentalism involved in attaching labels to people.  At the moment I seem to be a "liberal" and a "socialist" while six months ago I was the opposite.  We attach a label like that and right away we think we know everything that person thinks, which is obviously stupid but that is what happens.

Don't kid yourself Frank, we all know you are an anarchist!

[Farmer77]

Not an encouraging sign from the 'eastern front' 

China 'urgently' recruiting Korean-Chinese interpreters for town near North Korea 

[+Hammerclaw]

11 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

isn't that what his whole TV career has been based on?

No, he was just being himself. Yes, frightening as it may seem, The Donald is President.

[+Hammerclaw]

17 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Not an encouraging sign from the 'eastern front' 

China 'urgently' recruiting Korean-Chinese interpreters for town near North Korea 

Yes, The Donald is luring China into Korea to take responsibility for the monster they created and nurture. 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Yes, The Donald is luring China into Korea to take responsibility for the monster they created and nurture. 

Wow its amazing how peoples brains work differently. I see it as Donald being such a wreck that after meeting him face to face Xi is convinced that war is inevitable so he's preparing for the humanitarian fallout. 

Edited May 1, 2017 by Farmer77

[+Hammerclaw]

10 hours ago, Yamato said:

Well no I was horrified on 9/11 like everyone else.   But I wouldn't leave my keys in the ignition myself, I wouldn't insist on a federal ignition control program that automatically removes my key from my ignition for me depending on how scared of forgetting my keys I am on that day.    Either you're scared of NK or you're not, you can't have it both ways.  

You remind me of something too...the coy attitudes I saw from people about how much of a threat Iraq was before we invaded in 2003, and within a few days after we began rolling in the same people were making jokes at how poorly equipped the Iraqi military was.  So I can see you stirring up the fear then laughing after the killing starts.   I could be wrong too but that's my guess.

Any one who is unconcerned and not afraid of a nuclear detonation in an urban population center is a fool and I don't waste time arguing with fools. With people like you, nothing bad can happen until it happens. Then and only then will you berate the authorities for allowing it to happen. You are simply incapable of extrapolation or projection into the future. You can't see beyond the end of your nose. You live in an eternal now, all snug and cozy in your middle class cocoon and are bewildered by any suggestion it's not the natural way of life. Well. it's not. Brave men gave their lives to make it possible. An ounce of prevention, however unpalatable, is still worth a pound of cure.

Edited May 1, 2017 by Hammerclaw

[+Hammerclaw]

14 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Wow its amazing how peoples brains work differently. I see it as Donald being such a wreck that after meeting him face to face Xi is convinced that war is inevitable so he's preparing for the humanitarian fallout. 

I wonder how many lost a fortune underestimating the Donald like that? As soon as allied troops enter the North, so will the Chinese. It is in their national interest to keep the North as a buffer zone. They'll assume responsibility for the North's nukes and little fatty will be confined to Pyongyang were he can entertain himself slaughtering innocents at his leisure.

[Farmer77]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

I wonder how many lost a fortune underestimating the Donald like that? As soon as allied troops enter the North, so will the Chinese. It is in their national interest to keep the North as a buffer zone. They'll assume responsibility for the North's nukes and little fatty will be confined to Pyongyang were he can entertain himself slaughtering innocents at his leisure.

 You really should read the transcripts from the two interviews he gave today Donald Trump just gave two incredibly bizarre (and fact-free) interviews  Maybe the dude is like an idiot savant when it comes to real estate but it clearly doesnt translate into other areas. (like steaks or universities) 

Edited May 1, 2017 by Farmer77

[Space Commander Travis]

 

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 You really should read the transcripts from the two interviews he gave today Donald Trump just gave two incredibly bizarre (and fact-free) interviews  Maybe the dude is like an idiot savant when it comes to real estate but it clearly doesnt translate into other areas. 

Bear in mind that's CNN, who like all the media who used to believe they ran the place, are so incandescent with fury at him that they're out to mock him in any way they can, thereby hoping that they can provoke him into trying to initiate an order to control the press and outlaw mocking of him.

* Chris Cillita, Editor-At-large, seems to use exclamation points rather like a 14 year old on twitter!!!! 

 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 

Bear in mind that's CNN, who like all the media who used to believe they ran the place, are so incandescent with fury at him that they're out to mock him in any way they can, thereby hoping that they can provoke him into trying to initiate an order to control the press and outlaw mocking of him.

* Chris Cillita, Editor-At-large, seems to use exclamation points rather like a 14 year old on twitter!!!! 

 

Thats why I like transcripts.

[+Hammerclaw]

48 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 You really should read the transcripts from the two interviews he gave today Donald Trump just gave two incredibly bizarre (and fact-free) interviews  Maybe the dude is like an idiot savant when it comes to real estate but it clearly doesnt translate into other areas. (like steaks or universities) 

As the chairman of the board, his well aware of his own limitations and recruits people who do know what they're doing and delegates  responsibility. He merely signs off on the collective consensus. Give him bad advice and you're fired. It's bizarre how comforting it is to liberals to characterize conservatives as idiots, in the face of all evidence to the contrary. The Donald is merely eccentric. If you want an example of true idiocy, just examine Clinton's Presidential campaign.

[Space Commander Travis]

Back to the other interestingly-hairstyled tyrant, this from the Onion was from a few years ago, but it's as apposite now as it's ever been:

http://www.theonion.com/article/kim-jong-un-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for-30379 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

As the chairman of the board, his well aware of his own limitations and recruits people who do know what they're doing and delegates  responsibility. He merely signs off on the collective consensus. Give him bad advice and you're fired. It's bizarre how comforting it is to liberals to characterize conservatives as idiots, in the face of all evidence to the contrary. The Donald is merely eccentric. If you want an example of true idiocy, just examine Clinton's Presidential campaign.

Dude I was rooting for Trump to beat Hillary.I never believed the outsider scam but still thought it was better to have to look at him as he continued marching to the MIC's orders than her.  However I never imagined it could be THIS bad. 

IDK that ive ever characterized someone on the political stage as truly being an idiot (ok well maybe the usual suspects, Watters, Pelosi , Bush ) but man if Trump genuinely isnt an idiot he deserves an emmy for playing one on TV. 

 

 

 

 

[+Hammerclaw]

19 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Dude I was rooting for Trump to beat Hillary.I never believed the outsider scam but still thought it was better to have to look at him as he continued marching to the MIC's orders than her.  However I never imagined it could be THIS bad. 

IDK that ive ever characterized someone on the political stage as truly being an idiot (ok well maybe the usual suspects, Watters, Pelosi , Bush ) but man if Trump genuinely isnt an idiot he deserves an emmy for playing one on TV. 

 

 

 

 

No he's just the Donald, old and cantankerous and with a mouth that lives a life of it's own. 

Edited May 1, 2017 by Hammerclaw

[Yamato]

3 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Any one who is unconcerned and not afraid of a nuclear detonation in an urban population center is a fool and I don't waste time arguing with fools. With people like you, nothing bad can happen until it happens. Then and only then will you berate the authorities for allowing it to happen. You are simply incapable of extrapolation or projection into the future. You can't see beyond the end of your nose. You live in an eternal now, all snug and cozy in your middle class cocoon and are bewildered by any suggestion it's not the natural way of life. Well. it's not. Brave men gave their lives to make it possible. An ounce of prevention, however unpalatable, is still worth a pound of cure.

What a crock.   It's foolish to feign such fake fear and concern for the urban population center in Seoul to the exclusion of everywhere else.   I suggest you join the committee for nuclear disarmament if you're that passionate about preventing nuclear war.

I don't support escalating tensions and sabre rattling in case that wasn't clear.  Our war criminal President and his big mouth aren't setting up for preventing war he's pining for it.   Just like you don't run your mouth at other people in public like you do anonymously behind the safety of your keyboard.  If you did you'd get beaten up for it eventually.

[Yamato]

3 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I wonder how many lost a fortune underestimating the Donald like that? As soon as allied troops enter the North, so will the Chinese. It is in their national interest to keep the North as a buffer zone. They'll assume responsibility for the North's nukes and little fatty will be confined to Pyongyang were he can entertain himself slaughtering innocents at his leisure.

Huh?   That's overestimating Trump, and underestimating Xi.   A Korean War doesn't serve anyone's interests.  "The era of strategic patience is over." isn't going to include a US invasion or China will be in North Korea in a matter of minutes.  If there was no China, Trump is probably foolish enough to have invaded N Korea already.   The only check to his power is power.   Our people won't stop him, certainly not people who sarcastically cry "Hold me" one minute and seriously cry "Save me" the next.

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Yamato said:

Huh?   That's overestimating Trump, and underestimating Xi.   A Korean War doesn't serve anyone's interests.  "The era of strategic patience is over." isn't going to include a US invasion or China will be in North Korea in a matter of minutes.  If there was no China, Trump is probably foolish enough to have invaded N Korea already.   The only check to his power is power.   Our people won't stop him, certainly not people who sarcastically cry "Hold me" one minute and seriously cry "Save me" the next.

All you have to do is look at what he's said, publically. Korea is a Chinese problem, inflicted on the World and it's up to them to deal with it. All they need is the legitimate excuse to initiate draconian methods to do so. It's all about Face with the Chinese and "saving" North Korea from the Yankee aggressor is all the excuse they need. Trump has some pretty good heads orchestrating the whole thing. It should be little surprise that leaders of nations are smarter than YOU.

[The Silver Thong]

22 hours ago, F3SS said:

So then what would have happened had we not decided to help during WW2?

It would have taken a bit longer, but due to a German scientist the U.S. was able to bomb two cities in Japan with WMD`s

 

Your words not mine ``help``

Edited May 2, 2017 by The Silver Thong

[Yamato]

1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

All you have to do is look at what he's said, publically. Korea is a Chinese problem, inflicted on the World and it's up to them to deal with it. All they need is the legitimate excuse to initiate draconian methods to do so. It's all about Face with the Chinese and "saving" North Korea from the Yankee aggressor is all the excuse they need. Trump has some pretty good heads orchestrating the whole thing. It should be little surprise that leaders of nations are smarter than YOU.

Leaving it up to China sounds great to me.  But again you contradict yourself by adding that Trump has people orchestrating it.

You're not scared, you're scared.   Leave it to China, don't leave it to China.   You're all over the place on this one.   The only thing you do reliably is throw insults.

[Merc14]

17 minutes ago, The Silver Thong said:

It would have taken a bit longer, but due to a German scientist the U.S. was able to bomb two cities in Japan with WMD`s

 

Your words not mine ``help``

It is estimated that more  than 10 million Japanese civilians and one million allied soldiers would've died during an invasion of mainland Japan.  What would you choose to do?  No easy answers in the real world.

[Yamato]

15 hours ago, bee said:

haha --- the things politicians have to do and say to even get some of the job done that they promised their voters ---  ---  

compromise and diplomacy...?....

I wasn't really talking about the Campaign hype - more observing what's going on all over the world -

Trump's promises were horrible.  If he played golf 7 days a week and didn't fulfill even one of them we'd be much better off for saving the money.  Especially all the globalist spending....keep it here at home.