Yamato Posted May 2, 2017 #626 Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Merc14 said: It is estimated that more than 10 million Japanese civilians and one million allied soldiers would've died during an invasion of mainland Japan. What would you choose to do? No easy answers in the real world. So long as you predicate the estimates with an invasion of the home islands. The rush to invade Japan (and nuke Japan) was war weariness. Japan would have approached us diplomatically after their peace envoy to the Soviet Union was replied to with a declaration of war and their lands in Manchukuo, Menguko, Korea, China began to crumble. Historians debate furiously over which mattered more, the atomic bombings or the Soviet entry into the war. By holding back the nuclear attacks we wouldn't have to speculate. But now, we have peace weariness. Endless war is like driving a Chevrolet to McDonalds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 2, 2017 #627 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Yamato said: Leaving it up to China sounds great to me. But again you contradict yourself by adding that Trump has people orchestrating it. You're not scared, you're scared. Leave it to China, don't leave it to China. You're all over the place on this one. The only thing you do reliably is throw insults. You know nothing but opinionated bigotry and pseudointellectual sophistry. You mouth your prejudices as though they were facts and eschew any real facts to the contrary. You're not at all as deep and sophisticated as you imagine yourself to be. Perhaps in time, when you have accrued the necessary years of experience you will gain some wisdom. In the meantime, enjoy your myopic view of current reality. Edited May 2, 2017 by Hammerclaw grammar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 2, 2017 #628 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, The Silver Thong said: It would have taken a bit longer, but due to a German scientist the U.S. was able to bomb two cities in Japan with WMD`s Your words not mine ``help`` We were more than vital in defeating the Axis. Far more than just a helping hand. You cannot downplay our significance. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418329/why-america-was-indispensable-allies-winning-world-war-ii-victor-davis-hanson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted May 2, 2017 #629 Share Posted May 2, 2017 8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: I wonder how many lost a fortune underestimating the Donald like that? Hard to say. Usually we only hear about all the people who lost a fortune over-estimating him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 2, 2017 #630 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, aquatus1 said: Hard to say. Usually we only hear about all the people who lost a fortune over-estimating him. Sounds like they took the bait, hook, line and sinker. That is the whole point of playing dumb. Edited May 2, 2017 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted May 2, 2017 #631 Share Posted May 2, 2017 34 minutes ago, aquatus1 said: Hard to say. Usually we only hear about all the people who lost a fortune over-estimating him. I am guessing the folks who spent millions bribing old Hillary are the ones lamenting now. Hoepfully they enjoy their subpoenas. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 2, 2017 #632 Share Posted May 2, 2017 57 minutes ago, F3SS said: We were more than vital in defeating the Axis. Far more than just a helping hand. You cannot downplay our significance. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418329/why-america-was-indispensable-allies-winning-world-war-ii-victor-davis-hanson You quote the National Review to "prove" how important the US was in defeating the Axis. No sane person denies that the US was important, but National Review? Really, is that all you read? No wonder your views are so distorted. One should remember that it took Pearl Harbor to get the US involved. The atrocities in China had no effect on American attitudes. The point being that at that time American was mainly isolationist and didn't give a damn about other people. There are a lot of Americans like that today -- who just don't realize that that sort of attitude is what leads to things like Pearl Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted May 2, 2017 #633 Share Posted May 2, 2017 19 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: You quote the National Review to "prove" how important the US was in defeating the Axis. No sane person denies that the US was important, but National Review? Really, is that all you read? No wonder your views are so distorted. One should remember that it took Pearl Harbor to get the US involved. The atrocities in China had no effect on American attitudes. The point being that at that time American was mainly isolationist and didn't give a damn about other people. There are a lot of Americans like that today -- who just don't realize that that sort of attitude is what leads to things like Pearl Harbor. Yet you continually complain about America getting into everyone's business, make up your mind merton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 2, 2017 #634 Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: You know nothing but opinionated bigotry and pseudointellectual sophistry. You mouth your prejudices as though they were facts and eschew any real facts to the contrary. You're not at all as deep and sophisticated as you imagine yourself to be. Perhaps in time, when you have accrued the necessary years of experience you will gain some wisdom. In the meantime, enjoy your myopic view of current reality. My wisdom is from liberty, freedom, minarchism, voluntarism, the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and international law. Since I easily trigger you, you've got some deep set issues with some or all of those. My view of reality is that when other countries don't have a nanny, you, the taxpayer, to protect them, keep them safe, keep them entitled, keep them under control, they'll stand up and take some responsibility and do it themselves. Real conservatism is probably an alien concept but it's really that simple. Defend these 50 states, keep interstate commerce regular, enforce contracts, prosecute fraud. Anything else is bigger government than we need to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 2, 2017 #635 Share Posted May 2, 2017 It's as if I've been working to become the subject of Merc's disdain. So far, I like my chances. But... just when the Nooz Watchers thought it was safe to go back to fearing North Korea again, Trump would be honored to meet with the Dear Leader Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 2, 2017 #636 Share Posted May 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Merc14 said: I am guessing the folks who spent millions bribing old Hillary are the ones lamenting now. Hoepfully they enjoy their subpoenas. I've been standing in line for that for years and gotten no service but lip service. Hillary Clinton came out a day before Donald Trump bombed an airfield and said he should bomb an airfield. So for the people supporting that? They're with Her. You too...you're with Her. I was never with either of these candidates, still ain't, and never will be. Do I think my country is stupid enough to have the same damn election between the same two candidates all over again in 2020? Yes, yes I do. someone shoot me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 2, 2017 #637 Share Posted May 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Merc14 said: It is estimated that more than 10 million Japanese civilians and one million allied soldiers would've died during an invasion of mainland Japan. What would you choose to do? No easy answers in the real world. Well if I wasn`t testing a WMD on people I would have set one off about 20 miles away and said look what we can do. It would have been hands up with out blowing up people that had nothing to do with the war. Oh wait the U.S. has killed 500 thousand civilians in the ME so it`s normal I guess. Stop being led by the nose by those that profit from war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 2, 2017 #638 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, F3SS said: We were more than vital in defeating the Axis. Far more than just a helping hand. You cannot downplay our significance. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418329/why-america-was-indispensable-allies-winning-world-war-ii-victor-davis-hanson Nor can you take all the credit. It`s an insult to all who fought, but thanks for showing up. Canada entered the 1939-1945 War on 10th September 1939. Within two months the first contingents of Canadian troops arrived in the United Kingdom to supplement the British Expeditionary Forces (BEF). Although the war began with Nazi Germany's attack on Poland in September 1939, the United States did not enter the war until after the Japanese bombed the American fleet in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941. Now deal with NK before I do lol Edited May 2, 2017 by The Silver Thong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 2, 2017 #639 Share Posted May 2, 2017 4 hours ago, aquatus1 said: Hard to say. Usually we only hear about all the people who lost a fortune over-estimating him. He is the Billionair not you or I. Doesn`t make him right lol pun intended. IMO he has done a good job so far but it`s a poker game right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 2, 2017 #640 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, Yamato said: It's as if I've been working to become the subject of Merc's disdain. So far, I like my chances. But... just when the Nooz Watchers thought it was safe to go back to fearing North Korea again, Trump would be honored to meet with the Dear Leader Kim. . Hoorah for the Pres jaw jaw has to be better than war war and he referred to Kim J-U as a 'smart cookie' the other day, which probably shocked a lot of people - but that could have been a prelude to Talks..? You don't get the best out of people by insulting and disrespecting them... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 2, 2017 #641 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Interesting quote I just came across from Donald T. Rump, on what seems to be his strategy: “We must, as a nation, be more unpredictable,” Trump declared during a major foreign policy address in April. “We are totally predictable. We tell everything. We’re sending troops: We tell them. We’re sending something else: We have a news conference. We have to be unpredictable. And we have to be unpredictable starting now.” (Los Angeles Times, Dec. 16, 2016) From an interesting article on how his strategy of no one knowing what he might do might yet turn out to be a genius strategy here. --> https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/bill-sardi/understanding-trump/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 2, 2017 #642 Share Posted May 2, 2017 . If he meets with Kim I hope he takes ''Beautiful Chocolate Cake" that could do the trick... and would be a genius strategy .. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 2, 2017 #643 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, Frank Merton said: We will make some progress toward bettering ourselves if we stop the form of judgmentalism involved in attaching labels to people. At the moment I seem to be a "liberal" and a "socialist" while six months ago I was the opposite. We attach a label like that and right away we think we know everything that person thinks, which is obviously stupid but that is what happens. . yeah it's really stupid isn't it....being judgemental and attaching labels - like how some people label others 'Russian Trolls' - and sometimes 'Paid Russian Trolls' when they disagree with them - . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 2, 2017 #644 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Push the button, who`s gonna win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 2, 2017 #645 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, bee said: . If he meets with Kim I hope he takes ''Beautiful Chocolate Cake" that could do the trick... and would be a genius strategy .. . 54 minutes ago, bee said: . yeah it's really stupid isn't it....being judgemental and attaching labels - like how some people label others 'Russian Trolls' - and sometimes 'Paid Russian Trolls' when they disagree with them - . No labels; just observations of probable fact. No that is not a label, that is an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 2, 2017 #646 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, The Silver Thong said: Push the button, who`s gonna win. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 2, 2017 #647 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm Vietnamese living in Cambodia, and as such I would much rather the US dominate world politics that Russia. When I see people who never fail to parrot the Russian line I get reading Russian newspapers, I cannot help but draw a logical conclusion, and it is one I don't like one bit. I don't see there is much I can do about it, though, beyond trying to see others see the reality and thereby disregard the misinformation and propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 2, 2017 #648 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, Frank Merton said: I'm Vietnamese living in Cambodia, and as such I would much rather the US dominate world politics that Russia. When I see people who never fail to parrot the Russian line I get reading Russian newspapers, I cannot help but draw a logical conclusion, and it is one I don't like one bit. I don't see there is much I can do about it, though, beyond trying to see others see the reality and thereby disregard the misinformation and propaganda. . Ahhhh HA !!! I think you slipped up there... ..... I've never even seen a Russian newspaper let alone read one - does this mean you speak Russian Mertonski..? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted May 2, 2017 #649 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Thread cleaned. General caution: Do not make this discussion personal, do not degenerate into sniping at one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 2, 2017 #650 Share Posted May 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Frank Merton said: Really, is that all you read? No wonder your views are so distorted. Weren't you just posting something about the world needing to be less judgmental? As for the link? I just pulled it from a search. I'm not familiar with it captain judgement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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