Theresa May calls General Election for June 8

[kartikg]

317 short of 9,how hard is it in UK to get (buy) support of another 10 MPs? 

[ExpandMyMind]

4 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Let's face it... she is and soon to be was a poor candidate for PM. Corbyn is a poor choice too. But I'd rather May. Replace the lot.

Corbyn is by miles the best candidate labour have had in my lifetime. He's an actual left wing politician (unlike Blair), not bought by corporations and banks (unlike Brown and Blair). He wears his heart on his sleeve and has almost levels of Bernie Sanders honesty oozing from him. He's the perfect labour leader in a time when most people know that almost all politicians are bought and paid for.

[hetrodoxly]

6 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

* Shadow Chancellor Mr. Macdonald outside Parliament (or at any rate in front of a screen with a feed from outside Parliament on it):

Note truck in background bringing skip to collect Ms. May's hopes of a comfortable majority and her remaining in No. 10 for very much longer. 

No the trucks full of all the promises Labour made.

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, kartikg said:

317 short of 9,how hard is it in UK to get (buy) support of another 10 MPs? 

Not hard, the DUP usually align with the Tories anyway.

Labour cannot mathematically form a coalition even with both Lib and SNP.

[Duke Wellington]

5 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Corbyn is by miles the best candidate labour have had in my lifetime. He's an actual left wing politician (unlike Blair), not bought by corporations and banks (unlike Brown and Blair). He wears his heart on his sleeve and has almost levels of Bernie Sanders honesty oozing from him. He's the perfect labour leader in a time when most people know that almost all politicians are bought and paid for.

Blair who won 418 seats. You mistake the centre of caring for far-left politics when they dont. They (over recent decades) vote on finances and immigration. They liked Blair, and I have to admit as a Tory fanboy I liked Blair so much even I voted for him (the first two times).

Edited June 9, 2017 by RabidMongoose

[hetrodoxly]

7 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

You said

I';d say that was rather bad grace and refusing to face facts. 

I'm just stating a fact? he did say he'd won the election?

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Corbyn is by miles the best candidate labour have had in my lifetime. He's an actual left wing politician (unlike Blair), not bought by corporations and banks (unlike Brown and Blair). He wears his heart on his sleeve and has almost levels of Bernie Sanders honesty oozing from him. He's the perfect labour leader in a time when most people know that almost all politicians are bought and paid for.

30 years ago maybe Corbyn might have left an impact. Now? Well I don't think he is relevant. I share the same views as you on politicians yet when it comes to red Corbyn I just can't seem to bring myself around to liking the chap. There just is no money in the kity for social works and benefits. Socialism has died. The world has changed and now I vote according to the character of the politician. I wish globalisation disappeared but it won't. I'm a realist. 

[hetrodoxly]

5 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Corbyn is by miles the best candidate labour have had in my lifetime. He's an actual left wing politician (unlike Blair), not bought by corporations and banks (unlike Brown and Blair). He wears his heart on his sleeve and has almost levels of Bernie Sanders honesty oozing from him. He's the perfect labour leader in a time when most people know that almost all politicians are bought and paid for.

He'd have bankrupt the country and when all the goodies he'd promised never materialised his voters would have turned on him a Conservative government would have been voted in to pick up the pieces and the cycle would start all over again.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

He'd have bankrupt the country and when all the goodies he'd promised never materialised his voters would have turned on him a Conservative government would have been voted in to pick up the pieces and the cycle would start all over again.

Look at Greece. Politicians tried socialism and look where that got them...

[hetrodoxly]

1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

Look at Greece. Politicians tried socialism and look where that got them...

We've tried it here a couple of times, i remember inflation at 27% rubbish piled high in the street, no electricity, bodies not being buried, the rich being taxed out of the country, promise the masses baubles and they'll vote for anything.

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

Look at Greece. Politicians tried socialism and look where that got them...

I agree with your general observation of socialism.

Its based on an 'Us and Them' mentality (poor versus the rest) where those with money pay for those without. What socialists dont get is that we are one country and one people so we all either fail or succeed together. And because they cannot comprehend that they dont see that what they do to the professional, middle and upper classes, and business owners ultimately comes back full circle to bite them on the ****.

Its why the history books have so many examples of failed socialism in them.

[bee]

 

The people have spoken - now we have to respect and accept the results - and the compromises
that might come from that -

one good thing at least the spectre of another Scottish Independence referendum and a break up
of the United Kingdom has faded away (for now)

 

[Gingitsune]

3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

We won't be kicked out we're leaving?

That's why I ended my sentence with the phrase "at worst".

"Won't Britain get kicked out on March 2019 at worst?"

Meaning, if British politicians can't get the **** together (a big if), won't EU kick the country out anyway on March 2019?

[Duke Wellington]

Just confirmed on Sky - Tory and DUP coalition and May off too Queen at lunchtime.

[eugenonegin]

Theresa May wanted a landslide, got no confidence, so should leave.

Brexit is seriously in doubt now- why would the UK vote out a hard Brexiter unless they were having second thoughts, now that we have more info on what Brexit actually means?

The original referendum was based on lies (£350m per week for the NHS), now we now the truth is Brexit means austerity and hardship for the poorest inn UK society.

We will see a huge change in UK politics.

[Essan]

At least May has crushed those rebellious Scots    No more Indyref2 or whining that they have no representation in Westminster and it's not faaaaaaair!!!

[Essan]

1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

We've tried it here a couple of times, i remember inflation at 27% rubbish piled high in the street, no electricity, bodies not being buried, the rich being taxed out of the country, promise the masses baubles and they'll vote for anything.

Rumours are that Labour's better than expected showing was down to a big increase in the number of 17-22 year old voting.   The demographic that is both the most gullible and has no experience of what living under a socialist govt is like. 

[Susanc241]

3 minutes ago, Essan said:

Rumours are that Labour's better than expected showing was down to a big increase in the number of 17-22 year old voting.   The demographic that is both the most gullible and has no experience of what living under a socialist govt is like. 

I was going to post a comment along these lines.  I have lived through several Labour governments (I'm nearly 70) and I know what damage they can do.  The young who voted this time have no concept of how bad it would get if Labour had a free run.  All spend and huge debts is the least of it.  They have gone for the short term promises of no university fees and the like.

To me Socialism favours the lowest common denominator population wise.  Everyone has to be on the same level and that is inevitably disastrous in the long term.  Humans are not built for mediocrity.  There are always those who are natural entrepreneurs and go getters and Socialism frowns on and discourages that.  It suffocates and deflates people's ambitions to improve themselves.  It is the go getters and those with ambition who finance a country.  They provide the taxes.  I want people to have choices, even if they don't take them.  I am from working class stock but I still can't relate to the socialist ethos.   I know how flat it feels to be under a Labour/Socilaist government.  I am disappointed by the news this morning.

 

[eugenonegin]

The people have spoken.

Brexit needs to be held on hold. The Tories need reigning in.

May should resign.Corbyn should be PM.

Great! The UK is going to put their own population first, for once.

Forget multi-culturalism and the global market, lets look after our own first!

[ExpandMyMind]

https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/865855578454806529

She said it multiple times. 

[LV-426]

16 minutes ago, Essan said:

Rumours are that Labour's better than expected showing was down to a big increase in the number of 17-22 year old voting.   The demographic that is both the most gullible and has no experience of what living under a socialist govt is like. 

It's a number of factors, I'd suggest.

Firstly, as you say, young voters.

When you actually read around how many Millenials make decisions based solely on posts from Facebook and Twitter, along with googling "how should I vote?", it paints a pretty bleak picture for the future. In recent interviews I've seen Millenials who didn't even know what a General Election was, didn't know what the EU was, and hadn't heard of Angela Merkel

When I saw the fresh-faced youths chanting Corbyn's name like he was chugging a yard of ale during fresher's week, I thought yep... simply mentioning tuition fees on social media bought these votes.

Then there's the traditional Labour voters who have bought into Corbyn's promises. I have to give it to him, he's done a sterling job of rallying the troops on this one. I have no clue where he's planning on getting the funding from for his policies, and I'm fairly sure he doesn't either - Diane Abbott certainly doesn't... but, people are buying into the rhetoric.

Then there's the Tory manifesto. At the announcement of the snap election, the Tories had such a majority that they barely gave thought to some of the controversial policies they put to paper, forgetting that they still needed to participate in a public popularity contest. It's looking to be a costly mistake. If it doesn't cost May her job in the short-term, the knives will be out for the future. There's a lot of anger behind her that she called the election in the first place.

People should be careful what they wish for though. Corbyn will not be PM. Mathematically he simply can't form an alliance with a large enough majority, whereas with DUP support, the Tories can. If people inside or outside the Tory party put enough pressure on May, and she resigns, expect someone such as Boris Johnson to take over. Does anyone on either side of the political spectrum actually want that?

[LV-426]

May to form government to 'provide certainty'

Well, there you have it. We have a government.

I'd say "certaintly" is probably the last word on everyone's lips right now though. Time to wait for the next twist I guess.

[Duke Wellington]

31 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

It's a number of factors, I'd suggest.

Firstly, as you say, young voters.

When you actually read around how many Millenials make decisions based solely on posts from Facebook and Twitter, along with googling "how should I vote?", it paints a pretty bleak picture for the future. In recent interviews I've seen Millenials who didn't even know what a General Election was, didn't know what the EU was, and hadn't heard of Angela Merkel

When I saw the fresh-faced youths chanting Corbyn's name like he was chugging a yard of ale during fresher's week, I thought yep... simply mentioning tuition fees on social media bought these votes.

Then there's the traditional Labour voters who have bought into Corbyn's promises. I have to give it to him, he's done a sterling job of rallying the troops on this one. I have no clue where he's planning on getting the funding from for his policies, and I'm fairly sure he doesn't either - Diane Abbott certainly doesn't... but, people are buying into the rhetoric.

Then there's the Tory manifesto. At the announcement of the snap election, the Tories had such a majority that they barely gave thought to some of the controversial policies they put to paper, forgetting that they still needed to participate in a public popularity contest. It's looking to be a costly mistake. If it doesn't cost May her job in the short-term, the knives will be out for the future. There's a lot of anger behind her that she called the election in the first place.

People should be careful what they wish for though. Corbyn will not be PM. Mathematically he simply can't form an alliance with a large enough majority, whereas with DUP support, the Tories can. If people inside or outside the Tory party put enough pressure on May, and she resigns, expect someone such as Boris Johnson to take over. Does anyone on either side of the political spectrum actually want that?

I suspect May will be sacking her team for the poor tactical play in this election. She was so confident of victory that quite literally nothing was proposed to target young voters or families enduring financial difficulties.

[Susanc241]

39 minutes ago, eugeneonegin said:

Great! The UK is going to put their own population first, for once.

Forget multi-culturalism and the global market, lets look after our own first!

From where I stand, the socialists are the ones who promoted multi-culturalism and are the bleeding hearts who let all and sundry in to lose themselves in the black market, paying no taxes etc.  They relaxed the border controls to the point we hardly have any left.  We DO need immigrants but people with qualifications for the jobs we need filling, and for those jobs we won't do (shame on us), but we have far too many ecomonic migrants who have no interest in integrating or respecting British values (though I wonder what those are, these days).  The Labour Party will not 'look after its own', they will pander to all and sundry no matter what the cost.

And I forgot to say in my previous post, Tony Blair was never a socialist, but a closet capitalist - look no further than his portfolio of property and the millions in his bank accounts.  

That's me of my soapbox for today.........

[LV-426]

Here is my biggest concern...

UK election result welcomed in many German boardrooms

"It's a strange day when German business leaders - hardly known for their Bolshevism - are tentatively raising their glasses to toast a favourable election result for a left-wing, pro-borrowing, high-spending candidate.

And yet that is what many boardrooms from Berlin to Baden Wurttemberg will be doing this morning, however discreetly, after Jeremy Corbyn outperformed expectations and ate into the Conservative Party's majority.

The reason for this embrace, simply, is the single market."

Anyway, time to switch off from politics for a while. On the upside, at least MvD might be a bit more chipper on the forums today