Theresa May calls General Election for June 8

[Duke Wellington]

I will vote for the Conservatives in this weeks election. Why:

1. No reason to vote for UKIP as they haven't adapted to give us something different to the Conservatives. BNP still too extreme for the situation although I suspect areas of London and Manchester might be about to get some of their councillors.

2. May seems determined to go through with leaving the EU and to get immigration below 100,000 per year. I notice the media distortions saying immigration was down but that May failed to reach her target (despite the fact she was only in power for 6 months). Projecting her performance out to 12 months she would indeed meet her target.

3. I have no respect for Corbyn over his IRA sympathies, how he is living in a fantasy world over Trident, or his inability to respect the leave EU vote.

4. The Liberal Democrats are a joke with their fringe policies.

5. And finally back to Corbyn who has missed the totally obvious left-wing election winner. One where instead of being quiet he had the backbone to stand up during the Brexit Referendum and say we should leave. One where instead of going on about nationalising railways he presented a bold economic vision for Britain`s future. A future where they rebuild as nationalised industries all those we lost due to the EU - ships, cars, computers, electronics, planes, consumer goods, mining, heavy industry, etc. Yes, I think if he had done that we should also privatise them once they are up and running but as it is with the Conservatives we have to leave it to the market to see if it will now fill these gaps over a couple of decades.

So go May, she is heading for a decent sized majority. Corbyn, failed to hit the sweet spot and too much like the Liberal Democrats with his wacky views.

Edited June 5, 2017 by RabidMongoose

[Torchwood]

I have to say I'm still expecting a Tory win, but losing their majority.  A hung Parliament has an outside chance. 

Lose enough of that majority and I reckon May will resign, her Stong and Stable shown to be the sham it is. 

On the bright side I reckon Corbyn will get enough of a backing from the public to finally kill off New Labour, and silence Blair for good. Heres hoping anyway...

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

The only conspiracy I can see in the way this election has gone is that the Tories are convinced Brexit can't be a success and are actively trying to throw the election so Labour are left to take the blame.

I have come to rather suspect that actually, they know that they have no policies beyond Brexit, and that everything will just carry on as it has been (going slowly downhill), and that particularly they have no idea what to do about extremism, so there are some elements of them that would be quite happy to see Mr. Corbyn be landed with it all and made to be the scapegoat. (Much like the "Democratic" Party was with mr. Trump, perhaps.) 

[Space Commander Travis]

59 minutes ago, Torchwood said:

A hung Parliament has an outside chance. 

I've hoped for that for so long, but none of them seem to even consider reintroducing capital punishment, let alone public hangings. Think what a great spectacle that would be! What a bonus for the sausage-in-a-bun vendors! Think of the trade in souvenirs!  

Edited June 5, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

A future where they rebuild as nationalised industries all those we lost due to the EU - ships, cars, computers, electronics, planes, consumer goods, mining, heavy industry, etc.

 Were lost due to the EU? The car industry self-destructed thanks to the unions, and executives of, above all, German and Japanese car manufacturers having a better idea of what the public wanted (cars that went, at the most basic level, and which were comfortable and enjoyable to drive moving up the scale), the demise of the shipbuilding industry had very little to do with competition from Europe and competition came, again, largely from Japan, Korea and now particularly China; mining? The decline of that was thanks to the EU? I think someone called Scargill (and someone called Thatcher) had rather more to do with that; computers? Well, perhaps Mr. Sinclair's products could have been a world beater if... if they could be relied on to work as advertised (see Cars), but again it was surely Japan that became the world leader there and was nothing to do with the EU; planes? Again, look at British management and the MOD for the way they kept changing requirements (all aircraft designs up until the 70s were largely in response to official requirements), so that manufacturers again and again ended up producing designs that were often excellent (TSR2, VC10, BAC 1-11) but couldn't possibly compete with the volumes that American manufacturers were able to produce, it's a sad, sad story, but again, hardly anything to do with the EU. And so on. 

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

how he is living in a fantasy world over Trident,

have you (or anyone else) explained yet how the scenario that you've constructed where Mr. Corbyn could put the survival of Britain at risk through his refusal to use nuclear weapons (in effect, when NATO has apparently been disbanded, and the US has either abandoned Europe or has thrown in the towel, and every European power has presumably already been defeated so that once again Britain Stands Alone) is anything other than a fantasy in the very outer reaches of unlikelihood? 

[aztek]

[LV-426]

10 hours ago, Setton said:

As for Labour on Brexit, you do realise they're not going for another referendum or reversing the result?

They won't need to.

By the time they've finished with policies such as unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals in Britain, without a reciprocal deal for Brits abroad, destroying potential foreign investment by hiking corporation tax at the worst possible time, alienating us from the US with Corbyn's outspoken views on Trump, potentially removing our nuclear deterrent, along with all the other politically correct crap that Labour espouses these days, they'll have screwed the country over so thoroughly that even Nigel Farage will be campaigning for Remain...

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, LV-426 said:

They won't need to.

By the time they've finished with policies such as unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals in Britain, without a reciprocal deal for Brits abroad, destroying potential foreign investment by hiking corporation tax at the worst possible time, alienating us from the US with Corbyn's outspoken views on Trump, potentially removing our nuclear deterrent, along with all the other politically correct crap that Labour espouses these days, they'll have screwed the country over so thoroughly that even Nigel Farage will be campaigning for Remain...

You can, however, find some Labour policies to attack. On the other hand, Ms. May's policies seem to be;

• Brexit (possibly)
• After that... Well, Brexit! Everyone'll be happy after that! We won't need any actual policies! 

Do you know what the post-Brexit policies of the forthcoming Conservative administration will be? 

But look! you'll say. Jezzer Corbyn will leave the country defenceless by refusing to use nuclear weapons even as the Russian hordes are massing on the French channel coast!  (How did they get to the channel coast in the first place? Has America gone back to the pre-1941 position and looked the other way while Putin's armoured hordes sweep across Europe? That would seem likely considering how there's not been a single word of criticism of Russia's Tyrant Putin that's been voiced on the other side of the Atlantic for years, it really is disgraceful  ) So.. well, that's have a look on the news to see how successful Ms. May and the current Conservative administration has been in defending the country against rather more realistic and plausible threats .... Well, I find on looking at the news that there seem to have been several terrorist incidents recently in which numerous people have been killed, and in every case the perpetrators were known to the Security services - look! here's one of them who was in a TV documentary about ISIS! But Ms. May has protected the nation by putting Armed Police and SAS Ultimate Warriors on the streets! That makes everyone feel reassured and safe, because Armed Police and SAS Ultimate Warriors aren't at all intimidating in any way, no,.   And at the same time they're not at all completely useless in preventing someone driving a van into a crowd, are they, no.  And the public will also feel so much safer when members of Ms. May's regime recite meaningless platitudes like 'We must never let the terrorists believe that they can disrupt the democratic processes which lie at the heart of our society', won't we. Blustering meaningless words of defiance are always a handy fallback when you have no actual idea what to do.  

So when Ms. May is returned to power I'm not going to be joining in the Minute's Silence and the Candlelit Vigil next time, I'm going to be blaming who should be blamed. Ms. May and her failed, some might say non-existent, policies in combating extremism. 

[bee]

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re the Teresa May image - in the previous post ...

that's just wrong to do that and not helpful in the slightest, but I'm getting a '''globalist agenda vibe''' with it -

like the way they tried to sway American voters away from Trump -
Teresa May is trying to reflect and work on the result of the EU referendum - so who ever had this
scaffolded image put up is, in actual fact putting up two fingers to everyone who voted to Leave -

something like that costs a lot of money - perhaps Blair had a whip round his EU Remain buddies -

I think that Corbyn would stay in the single market and keep the free movement of people which wouldn't reflect
the spirit of the referendum result - I remember him saying something like he would deliver a 'Brexit for All' ...
which I think hints at this - 

He can't be trusted to deliver the Brexit that was voted for - and if, God help us, he formed a coalition with Sturgeon
and the SNP every effort would be made to weaken or reverse the EU referendum result - IMO -

 

[Space Commander Travis]

4 minutes ago, bee said:

re the Teresa May image - in the previous post ...

Which image? I didn't see one. is this a new amusing Meme? (There does seem rather a shortage of Theresa May memes, perhaps because there's not much really that's very amusing about her.) 

[Space Commander Travis]

While you're here bee, do you have any knowledge what her actual plans are after Brexit? There just seems to be an assumption that once she's told Herr Junkers and Frau Merkel where to shove it, then any sort of detail after that isn't really important because we'll all be free. 

[bee]

17 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 

So when Ms. May is returned to power I'm not going to be joining in the Minute's Silence and the Candlelit Vigil next time, I'm going to be blaming who should be blamed. Ms. May and her failed, some might say non-existent, policies in combating extremism. 

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being at the mercy of Merkel's open door policy doesn't help to combat extemism and the free movement of terrorists -

and I wonder how Corbyn would try to combat Islamic extremism - ? - probably lashings of (unsuccessful) appeasement..?

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[bee]

9 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Which image? I didn't see one. is this a new amusing Meme? (There does seem rather a shortage of Theresa May memes, perhaps because there's not much really that's very amusing about her.) 

eh what...?

In Aztek's post -

 

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by bee

[Space Commander Travis]

1 minute ago, bee said:

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being at the mercy of Merkel's open door policy doesn't help to combat extemism and the free movement of terrorists -

and I wonder how Corbyn would try to combat Islamic extremism - ? - probably lashings of (unsuccessful) appeasement..?

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But what is Ms. May's policy? All it seems to consist of is putting more armed police on the streets - which can only be reactive and can't get the root of why it happens in the first place - and making excuses for why the Security Services yet again decided that someone they were watching wasn't a threat. Mr. C. seems at least to be aware that there are reasons for why extremism bubbles up and that the circumstances that have allowed certain countries to become breeding grounds for it are very largely because of the policies of Western goverments - and yes, that does include Blair's, of course, but also that Cameron/Sarkozy and Obama/Clinton must bear the responsibility for allowing Libya, and, if they had their way, Syria to go the same way,  

[Space Commander Travis]

1 minute ago, bee said:

eh what...?

In Aztek's post -

 

 

Oh, that was Ms. May was it? I thought it was Princess Diana.  

[bee]

15 hours ago, Setton said:

What planet are you on? The MSM has been as consistently anti-corbyn as they could. The reason Labour is going up in the polls and Tories are not is because they've actually been out campaigning while May and her party just expect people to be good and not upset the status quo. I expect the Tories will still win but hopefully not with the kind of majority that was originally predicted.

As for Labour on Brexit, you do realise they're not going for another referendum or reversing the result? Lib dems are the ones promising another referendum. Do at least try to keep them straight. Otherwise you end up looking ignorant at best and deceitful at worst.

The only conspiracy I can see in the way this election has gone is that the Tories are convinced Brexit can't be a success and are actively trying to throw the election so Labour are left to take the blame.

 

re the bolded --- and you ask ME what planet I'm on .... 

 

 

 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Which image? I didn't see one. is this a new amusing Meme? (There does seem rather a shortage of Theresa May memes, perhaps because there's not much really that's very amusing about her.) 

Plus you actually have to go out in public for people to take photos to turn into memes...

[Torchwood]

54 minutes ago, bee said:

 

re the bolded --- and you ask ME what planet I'm on .... 

 

 

 

er...hes not the only one asking that.  Its obvious to a lot of people that the Tories are fighting this one really badly.

Their entire campaign is built on slurs and soundbites. No policies, nothing costed- just "vote for me for brexit" and I'm sorry but we need more than that.  

I watched both leaders Brexit Speaches- there was nothing in Mays at all! 

The right went into this convinced that Corbyn was unelectable and he's proved 'em wrong time and time again, but it made them think they could do or say any stupid thing they wanted and they'd still have the public on their side. 

Theres a tory candidate in Cornwall who has just gone viral for standing up and literally saying "foodbanks are great and I'm proud we have them"- silly woman nearly got lynched!  She for one wont have a seat come Friday...but thats just how low the Tories have gone. I'm hoping that enough of the country has seen the light that we can finish the smug b******* in the shiny £1000 trousers....

[bee]

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I get it ----  

Corbyn is the only realistic hope of the Remain Camp to scupper Brexit - 

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[Space Commander Travis]

The question though is what happens after that? Ms. May seems to have no idea beyond some vague idea that having told Frau Merkel to stick her EU up her Bundestag  , everything else will fall into place because everyone will be happy and Free.  

Edited June 6, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[bee]

10 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

The question though is what happens after that? Ms. May seems to have no idea beyond some vague idea that having told Frau Merkel to stick her EU up her Bundestag  , everything else will fall into place because everyone will be happy and Free.  

 

same as last time ---- 

[bee]

 

Diane Abbott - Shadow Home Secretary being interviewed on Sky News after the latest London Terror attacks -

 

 

Published on 5 Jun 2017

Surely not ANOTHER car crash interview...? The Shadow Home Secretary has emerged from her absence -- reportedly kept off the air by Labour officials -- to give an interview in which she seems utterly clueless on Lord Harris' report on improving the response to terror in London, despite claiming she has read it...

[bee]

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THERESA May has warned voters that putting Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street will lead to a coalition of chaos with "Diane Abbott as Home Secretary and Nicola Sturgeon pulling the strings”.

[Duke Wellington]

13 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 Were lost due to the EU? The car industry self-destructed thanks to the unions, and executives of, above all, German and Japanese car manufacturers having a better idea of what the public wanted (cars that went, at the most basic level, and which were comfortable and enjoyable to drive moving up the scale), the demise of the shipbuilding industry had very little to do with competition from Europe and competition came, again, largely from Japan, Korea and now particularly China; mining? The decline of that was thanks to the EU? I think someone called Scargill (and someone called Thatcher) had rather more to do with that; computers? Well, perhaps Mr. Sinclair's products could have been a world beater if... if they could be relied on to work as advertised (see Cars), but again it was surely Japan that became the world leader there and was nothing to do with the EU; planes? Again, look at British management and the MOD for the way they kept changing requirements (all aircraft designs up until the 70s were largely in response to official requirements), so that manufacturers again and again ended up producing designs that were often excellent (TSR2, VC10, BAC 1-11) but couldn't possibly compete with the volumes that American manufacturers were able to produce, it's a sad, sad story, but again, hardly anything to do with the EU. And so on. 

That is completely at odds with what I got taught on my business degree.

The thing is that EU regulations state we are not allowed to invest ourselves into our own economy (think Tata Steel as the most recent example) meaning we are reliant on overseas investors to save struggling industries. Industries which we should keep or have kept because despite unfortunate scenarios they retain(ed) a comparative advantage either on cost or quality. That was the first sting. The second sting is how we are not allowed to raise barriers to protect our vital industries from competition inside the EU and how the EU sets the barriers for trading with nations outside the trading block. Coal is a good example here. If all we actually need to do is import food (because we can do everything else ourselves) then why open up our domestic markets causing industries like coal to go bust?

You might not remember the 80s when most items had manufactured in Britain written on them and it is being in the EU which cost us the lot. Labour did a lot of damage with its ludicrous and unsustainable level of socialism combined with overly powerful unions. Thatcher had no choice but to privatise various industries to balance the books. And once privatised and getting deeper into Europe the removal of trade barriers sent a lot of those industries bust. Delusional Labour supporters can live in a fantasy all they want. Those people sat in the middle with no bias towards any party can see how the Labour Party enjoys spending everyone else`s money which it thinks exists in a limitless supply.