Theresa May calls General Election for June 8

[Space Commander Travis]

44 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

some people cannot except defeat and when it comes to political ideals  they are in the minority and once again on the wrong side of History.

Yes, I'm afraid we are seeing that yet again, but it's from those who somehow keep trying to persuade us that having their majority completely wiped out and being dependent on a bunch of bigoted dinosaurs who are going to take advantage of them as much as they can is somehow a victory. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[stevewinn]

9 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Has the department of Putting a Brave Face on Things tried yet to explain to us how the Coalition of - oh no sorry, not a Coalition of anything, coalitions are bad things, the Alliance of Parties that share Common Values with the forward looking and progressive DUP is yet another triumph for Ms. May's unprecedentedly successful campaign?

Seeing how you've been talking about coalitions of chaos, If Labour wanted to Govern they'd have to cobble together a true coalition of chaos, Labour leading the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems, Sinn Fein. This alone highlights just how far from power Labour are. Those Labour supporters are putting a brave face on it, not because Labour done well but all because Corbyn didn't do as bad as expected, put it this way if this was anyone else as Labour leader they'd have resigned early this morning on the back of a 261 result. Corbyn had his chance and its gone.

 

[Space Commander Travis]

I mean come, even the most fervent supporters must consider this

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Speaking outside 10 Downing St., May scarcely acknowledged the election's disastrous outcome, promising to form "a government that can provide certainty."

  as being nothing short of delusion, pure and simple. 

[Space Commander Travis]

A summary of Ms. May's new friends from Political Hipster on twitter.

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The DUP are anti-abortion, anti-ireland, anti-catholic, anti-gay rights, 100% sectarian, nationalist, populist, anti-immigrant (…)

Surely even her most loyal fan must see what a disaster this is for the Conservatives to have to rely on such a bunch to have any chance of getting anything done. 

[Setton]

28 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I did not forget Plaid, SF, they are an irrelevance. 

So... they don't get a vote? Of course they're relevant. With a working majority of 5, every vote counts.

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You forget to mention Labour have many of their own rebels, which includes the entire Labour Parliamentary Party still bristling with Anti-Corbyn members, that's why their is a strong possibility labour will split or oust Corbyn between now and 2022.  

But labour aren't the ones trying to get legislation through. Some might oppose the leadership but most of those will oppose the tories even more. I think the anti-Corbyn lot will have the sense to shut up for a time now. He's proved them wrong at every turn. The only one left was saying he'd lead the party into oblivion in a general election. Clearly not the case.

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261 seats is a poor performance, he didn't win the election. Therefore Corbyn didn't do enough to convince the voters that he should be PM. I thought Labour existed to be elected to Government not mere opposition. How many elections have they now lost?  3 on the bounce. I've lost count. by my reckoning it could possibly be 12 years as opposition.

261* would be a poor performance for Labour 15 years ago. Following on from 2015 it shows the party is on the right track again. To be honest, I think it'll be another election cycle before they can get a majority again. If 2022 shows more gains for labour, then we'll know whether Corbyn's approach has peaked or not.

*ETA: 262 seats. Labour just won Kensington.

Of course labour exists to be in government but anyone with any integrity must realise that to turn around the catastrophe Milliband led the party to in just a few weeks is unrealistic.

The only people I see in denial are those trying to claim the conservatives and May are in a strong position. After building their entire election platform on stability and the danger of a coalition, along with Corbyn's 'terrorist friends', they are now in the minority, relying on the support of religious extremist former terrorists and criminals. You couldn't write this stuff

Edited June 9, 2017 by Setton

[Space Commander Travis]

Really you can't help comparing Ms.May's head-in-the-sand refusal to admit failure, which almost approaches the extent of self-delusion of H. Clinton, with mr. Cameron's decision to do the honourable thing after the Brexit vote. Though if she did, it would mean without any doubt whatsoever that Britain's Donald Trump 

 would be Prime Minister. Let's think about that for a moment. Are we suddenly hoping she will stay? 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

A summary of Ms. May's new friends from Political Hipster on twitter.

Surely even her most loyal fan must see what a disaster this is for the Conservatives to have to rely on such a bunch to have any chance of getting anything done. 

You sure about that? I would guess that they're natural allies. Unlike the liberal democrats, who Cameron shared power with. Is there any talk of a leadership spill...

[hetrodoxly]

2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

I mean come, even the most fervent supporters must consider this

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Speaking outside 10 Downing St., May scarcely acknowledged the election's disastrous outcome, promising to form "a government that can provide certainty."

  as being nothing short of delusion, pure and simple

Are you sure you know how this works? she formed a government and that's certain on the grounds of receiving far more votes than labour, the only delusion i've seen is Corbyn and his supporters, he thinks he won the election and so do some of his supporters.

[Space Commander Travis]

Well, the Financial Times is saying today that it will be impossible now for the PM to push through the legislation needed for leaving the EU, adding, "in practical terms, Brexit is dead." It also reports that pro-European conservatives will "seize on her weakness to pursue a business-friendly Soft Brexit". The scale of her failure gets more and more astonishing, doesn't it, losing her entire majority, having to grovel to a bunch of hard-right bigoted dinosaurs from Northern Ireland, and now she may not even be able to go through with the one substantive thing that came out of the last Conservative administration. 

[Space Commander Travis]

Perhaps Ruth Davidson of the Scottish Conservatives might be worth considering. She seems pretty feisty, she was actually successful in gaining seats, from a working class family from Glasgae, and furthermore has the inestimable advantage of being gay!! Think what a vote winner that'd for the Conservatives! 

 Who is Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader who just saved her party from oblivion?

Edited June 10, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[stevewinn]

I've just checked again this morning. and yes Corbyn, Labour still didn't win. = Result. If Theresa stays or goes, the longer we can keep the dead hand of Labour away from the tiller the better for the country.

[freetoroam]

Lord Buckethead, Mr Fishfinger, Elmo...the Monster Raving Loony party all on the stage in their election gear.

And Teresa May blended in nicely with her blue...er .... red suit. What happened to sticking to your party colours during an election Mrs May? 

it all made a colourful lineup, i do hope the rest of the world are not laughing at us, our eurovision song contest results are less embarrassing than this election fiasco....oh sorry, i forgot to add.the DUP.  I reckon May needs to get an outfit like the others to suit now, how about a straight jacket.

And then theres Corbyn...jeeeze!

 

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by freetoroam

[bee]

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The Remain Camp - the likes of Tony Blair - the EU leaders and Globalists must be celebrating -

They probably couldn't believe their luck when Theresa May called the snap general election and they were
given the chance to pull the brakes on Brexit - which they managed to do -

Nigel is naturally concerned and could return to full time campaigning - this isn't over yet but it has got more convoluted -

 

 

 

[bee]

 

and from nearly 20 years ago .....  ....... a question about the single currency 

 

 

[Space Commander Travis]

47 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I've just checked again this morning. and yes Corbyn, Labour still didn't win. = Result. If Theresa stays or goes, the longer we can keep the dead hand of Labour away from the tiller the better for the country.

You call utter chaos within the Conservative party, inability to get anything done, possibly even brexit, the one tangible result that came out of the last administration, being at risk, and having to suck up to the dinosaur bigots of the DUPs a satisfactory result? I'm afraid you seem to becoming delusional, mate.   

[Torchwood]

If Theresa May won somebody needs to tell her face.

[RAyMO]

The election undoubtedly was a personal diaster for May - a vanity election that failed.

It was a personal success for corbyn by confounding expectations.

For the tories it was a fail, for labour also a fail.

However, I think the biggest loser could be the peace process in N Ireland - how can the government fulfill its role as impartial mediator and facilitator going forward - a role it has fulfilled since the Good Friday Agreement. The speed with which May jumped to the DUP for salvation suggests that absolutely no consideration was given to the position in NI - where the Unionists and Nationalists are at logger heads and careful mangement of the situation by the government was both expected and required.

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by RAyMO
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[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

I've just checked again this morning. and yes Corbyn, Labour still didn't win. = Result. If Theresa stays or goes, the longer we can keep the dead hand of Labour away from the tiller the better for the country.

As Churchill once said if you arent a socialist by the time you are 20 then you lack a heart but if you are still a socialist by the time you are 40 then you lack a brain. The youngsters live in a fantasy world with their heads full of ideals. But when they see the disconnect between ideals and reality combined with the disaster that socialism always turns out to be then they move to the right.

Its kind of sad to watch an elderly man (Corbyn) trying to be cool and popular with younger adults to secure their votes. No one his own age is interested (sniggers).

[bee]

 

Theresa May went to the country for a strong mandate to push forward with what is now called '''hard Brexit'''
leaving the single market and all that entails - for what ever reason she wasn't given that mandate because
it all got mixed in with Party Politics, Party loyalty and Face Book / Twitter etc

It was a serious miscalculation and has put the Brexit that was voted for in the referendum in jeopardy -

I would have thought that more of the Leave Camp would have given her their backing but she didn't make it easy -
for example - like using this election to bring back the Fox Hunting question - 

To be honest I don't see how she can lead the Brexit negotiations now - but we'll see how that pans out in the next few days -

 

 

 

 

 

[stevewinn]

10 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

As Churchill once said if you arent a socialist by the time you are 20 then you lack a heart but if you are still a socialist by the time you are 40 then you lack a brain. The youngsters live in a fantasy world with their heads full of ideals. But when they see the disconnect between ideals and reality combined with the disaster that socialism always turns out to be then they move to the right.

Its kind of sad to watch an elderly man (Corbyn) trying to be cool and popular with younger adults to secure their votes. No one his own age is interested (sniggers).

people are saying the surge if you can call it that in the labour vote was down to the youth, if you can call 18+ year old's 'youth' with many commentators saying it was Labours policy on tuition fees. - Labour once again planning on spending other peoples money. if i was a student going to University at £9,000 i too would vote for Labour, i mean why pay yourself when you can get the tax payer to foot the bill. - when it comes to education yes its a right up until secondary school, but im afraid going to University is a choice not a right.

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by stevewinn

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, bee said:

 

Theresa May went to the country for a strong mandate to push forward with what is now called '''hard Brexit'''
leaving the single market and all that entails - for what ever reason she wasn't given that mandate because
it all got mixed in with Party Politics, Party loyalty and Face Book / Twitter etc

It was a serious miscalculation and has put the Brexit that was voted for in the referendum in jeopardy -

I would have thought that more of the Leave Camp would have given her their backing but she didn't make it easy -
for example - like using this election to bring back the Fox Hunting question - 

To be honest I don't see how she can lead the Brexit negotiations now - but we'll see how that pans out in the next few days -

 

 

 

 

 

Its slightly confusing don't you think Bee, I'd have thought the mandate on Brexit was the Referendum result itself. 

With that said whichever party was governing would've already had the mandate to leave the EU.

Theresa May took a political gamble on domestic politics and messed it up. but this is with hindsight. which is a wonderful thing in itself.

Im concerned by how the outcomes of this general election and EU referendum results are being conflated. Its now seems the Remoaners are back again trying to cast doubt on Brexit.

My advice to the Tory party would be forget the General election result focus on Brexit. deliver the mandate of the Referendum. party politics can wait until another day.

[hetrodoxly]

19 minutes ago, bee said:

 

Theresa May went to the country for a strong mandate to push forward with what is now called '''hard Brexit'''
leaving the single market and all that entails - for what ever reason she wasn't given that mandate because
it all got mixed in with Party Politics, Party loyalty and Face Book / Twitter etc

It was a serious miscalculation and has put the Brexit that was voted for in the referendum in jeopardy -

I would have thought that more of the Leave Camp would have given her their backing but she didn't make it easy -
for example - like using this election to bring back the Fox Hunting question - 

To be honest I don't see how she can lead the Brexit negotiations now - but we'll see how that pans out in the next few days -

 

 

 

 

 

She can lead it by going to the negotiations getting the best deal she can and hope Labour, SNP, can't thwart the will of the people, she has a mandate on the fact she's been voted in as prime minister a mandate she never had before, more than half the country still want Brexit.

[bee]

16 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Its slightly confusing don't you think Bee, I'd have thought the mandate on Brexit was the Referendum result itself. 

With that said whichever party was governing would've already had the mandate to leave the EU.

Theresa May took a political gamble on domestic politics and messed it up. but this is with hindsight. which is a wonderful thing in itself.

Im concerned by how the outcomes of this general election and EU referendum results are being conflated. Its now seems the Remoaners are back again trying to cast doubt on Brexit.

My advice to the Tory party would be forget the General election result focus on Brexit. deliver the mandate of the Referendum. party politics can wait until another day.

 

A can of worms has been opened up by calling an election specifically based on Brexit and making it the
EU referendum Part Two - then not getting the result that was needed - 
 

 

[bee]

5 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

She can lead it by going to the negotiations getting the best deal she can and hope Labour, SNP, can't thwart the will of the people, she has a mandate on the fact she's been voted in as prime minister a mandate she never had before, more than half the country still want Brexit.

 

Mmmmm dunno -

she HAD a mandate but then ****** that mandate up by asking for a stronger mandate and mixing it in with Party Politics -

???

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[RAyMO]

29 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

My advice to the Tory party would be forget the General election result focus on Brexit. deliver the mandate of the Referendum.

The problem I see with this is that it still provides major scope for disagreements even within the tory party. All it takes is for a dozen or soon to dislike the direction of travel and put spanners in the works. The govt needs to define Brexit to both the party and country and if the party accepts it - then get on with it.  otherwise or perhaps even with this I would not bet against a second GE before Brexit.