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10 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

I don't completely understand your last sentence, I think you are addressing someone else.

But, with regard to all parties doing what they have to  stay in power: they don't completely go into reverse .

The Tories have always wanted to roll back the State, they have always wanted to means-test, cap or stop benefits and public spending. It is what differentiates them from Labour, and usually gets great public approval.

It would be like Corbyn saying he will reduce corporation tax, privatise what remains of our state-owned institutions and increase spending of defence,just to get support.

But he won't say those things because he has principles.

 

 

The man opposed to the EU then changed his mind, the man who spent all his political life spouting nuclear disarmament then left it out of his manifesto, the man who'd promised to abandon trident then left it out of his manifesto, the man (i use the word loosely) who tried to obtain political gain over dead bodies while they were still burning, 'he has principles' my ar5e.

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1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

The man opposed to the EU then changed his mind, the man who spent all his political life spouting nuclear disarmament then left it out of his manifesto, the man who'd promised to abandon trident then left it out of his manifesto, the man (i use the word loosely) who tried to obtain political gain over dead bodies while they were still burning, 'he has principles' my ar5e.

I don't like him either, actually I detest him.

I still think Theresa has lost face by doing a dodgy deal.

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Perhaps more immediately pertinent even than Brexit is that I hear today that, despite everything, Ms. May's Conservative regime is still pressing ahead with its stubborn dogmatic stubbornness, because "Cuts Must Be Made In Everything", to make cuts in the emergency services. Ms. May will be able to press ahead with these stubborn, dogmatic plans, apparently the only principles she does have, only because of her bribery of the bowler hat wearers of Ulster, for whom she's found that, oh look, there is a Magic Money Tree after all, at least if it comes to bribing hard rightwing bigots into supporting us. 

Perhaps Ms. May is in fact the vile one with her absolutely unprincipled desperation to cling to power, possibly driven by a deluded belief that she's the only one that can Deliver Brexit and bring Freedom and win the adulation of her people. 

 

(I do like how everyone has to carefully qualify their remarks with "of course i detest Corbyn, but", much like how anyone, if questioning America's warmongering, has to be careful to emphasise that Putin/Assad/Kim Jong Thing is a Vile Tyrant and they have no sympathy with them whatsoever, oh dear me no. :D )

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5 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Perhaps more immediately pertinent even than Brexit is that I hear today that, despite everything, Ms. May's Conservative regime is still pressing ahead with its stubborn dogmatic stubbornness, because "Cuts Must Be Made In Everything", to make cuts in the emergency services. Ms. May will be able to press ahead with these stubborn, dogmatic plans, apparently the only principles she does have, only because of her bribery of the bowler hat wearers of Ulster, for whom she's found that, oh look, there is a Magic Money Tree after all, at least if it comes to bribing hard rightwing bigots into supporting us. 

Perhaps Ms. May is in fact the vile one with her absolutely unprincipled desperation to cling to power, possibly driven by a deluded belief that she's the only one that can Deliver Brexit and bring Freedom and win the adulation of her people. 

 

(I do like how everyone has to carefully qualify their remarks with "of course i detest Corbyn, but", much like how anyone, if questioning America's warmongering, has to be careful to emphasise that Putin/Assad/Kim Jong Thing is a Vile Tyrant and they have no sympathy with them whatsoever, oh dear me no. :D )

I never had you down as Partisan, all the buzz words have you in a spin, So Theresa May as increased spending to Northern Ireland, that's right Northern Ireland not to the DUP Party but the citizens of Northern Ireland. and that is the deal made for the support of the DUP. £1Billion extra in spending over two years. £500Million PA. We are handing over £10Billion a year to the EU and £13Billion in foreign aid.

On Debt and Deficit: The Country is £1.7Trillion in debt. that's 80.7% of GDP. Its clear we cannot keep borrowing and spending money that we don't have, On the Deficit the amount being borrowed each year has been reduced from 9.9% of GDP when the coalition government (Tory-Lib Dems) took power in 2010, thats fallen from 9.9% to 2.6% of GDP in year ending 2016 under the Conservative government, a reduction of almost three-quarters. once the Government stops borrowing more than it receives the quicker we'll start to reduce the debt.

Once the Government reaches a surplus on the deficit and no longer having to borrow any money surplus money can be invested which will help reduce the overall debt. trouble is the public at large have been brainwashed over the last few decades that credit is cheap and there is indeed a magic money tree. and this brings me on to Labour and their promises to spend money we don't have, which is reckless at this moment in time, but then when Labour is appealing to the likes of University students in a vote for Labour you wont pay for your tuition fees we'll get someone else to pay for them, and that's the mantra of Labour their is someone else paying and ultimately picking up the tab.

For Jeremy Corbyn and Labour Its always easier offering solutions when you are in opposition and don't actually have to find the money to keep your promises, but his messages of 'hope' are clearly finding favour with a significant proportion of the X factor generation. Theresa May was in Liverpool for Armed Forces Day, as Jeremy Corbyn was at Glastonbury. (a captive audience to make it look like he's appealing to the masses)

Hard left politics, and admirer of Hugo Chavez style economics Borrow, Spend Borrow Spend. How is Venezuela performing today with that legacy? a snap shot of a Labour Government under a Corbyn Government backed by Marxist Chancellor John McDonnell.

 

 

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20 hours ago, stevewinn said:

I never had you down as Partisan, all the buzz words have you in a spin, So Theresa May as increased spending to Northern Ireland, that's right Northern Ireland not to the DUP Party but the citizens of Northern Ireland. and that is the deal made for the support of the DUP. £1Billion extra in spending over two years. £500Million PA. We are handing over £10Billion a year to the EU and £13Billion in foreign aid.

 

 

good reminder about the money going to the citizens of NI - hopefully this will help alleviate concerns about 
 peace being put at risk if all the people of NI can benefit from the 'arrangement' -

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On 28/06/2017 at 0:59 AM, eugeneonegin said:

I don't like him either, actually I detest him.

I still think Theresa has lost face by doing a dodgy deal.


bit of a loose loose election for you wasn't it,  eugene - :hmm: - :P

setting aside the political differences for a min... I actually like Theresa AND Jeremy as people -

 

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2 hours ago, bee said:


bit of a loose loose election for you wasn't it,  eugene - :hmm: - :P

setting aside the political differences for a min... I actually like Theresa AND Jeremy as people -

 

Ha ha yes.

But a terrible one for Theresa- even his own party had written Jeremy off, the election was a vote against Tory policies and if people had thought he stood a chance he would have done even better than he did.

Who knows what the result would be if we had another election soon - think Labour might get in.

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6 hours ago, bee said:

good reminder about the money going to the citizens of NI - hopefully this will help alleviate concerns about 
 peace being put at risk if all the people of NI can benefit from the 'arrangement

The concern was never about money Bee - the concern ws always the government getting into bed with one party to the dispute. Even in the deal itself there were very carefully chosen words to cause division. Its unbelieviable that the government weren't aware of these and went ahead with them anyway. 

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6 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

Ha ha yes.

But a terrible one for Theresa- even his own party had written Jeremy off, the election was a vote against Tory policies and if people had thought he stood a chance he would have done even better than he did.

Who knows what the result would be if we had another election soon - think Labour might get in.

Jeremy Corbyn hit his high water mark and was still 55 seats short.

He said Labour would vote down the Queens speech and force another election, Labour are the Government in waiting: News The Queens speech was passed. all the amendments put forward by Labour were defeated. including the end austerity amendment, which was defeated by 26 votes. and as for Pro-EU Labour MP Chuka Umunna's proposal; Amendment on the UK remaining part of the EU's single market and customs Union, it was defeated;  It was defeated by 322 votes to 101, majority 221, Theresa May didn't even need the DUP.

First test of the strong and stable government:

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So you're crowing in delight that the end austerity amendment was defeated? You''re delighted to have endless austerity? Endless cuts? A perpetual spiral of decline into a third world nation, but a Free! one, free of the tyranny of Brussels? You're so delighted at that? You seriously want to reassess your priorities, if this makes you crow with delight. 

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Have these MPs got no shame?

Tories who cheered after blocking Labour’s attempt to abolish public sector pay cap have been condemned 'Despicable and out of touch'

 

Are you proud of these people, Steve?  

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5 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Have these MPs got no shame?

Tories who cheered after blocking Labour’s attempt to abolish public sector pay cap have been condemned 'Despicable and out of touch'

 

Are you proud of these people, Steve?  

reply below, But want to add i'm ashamed of the MP's who voted once again against the UK leaving the single market/Customs Union. defying not only the will of the people but also Jeremy Corbyn, Corbyn whipped his MP's not to vote or vote against the motion. 51 of his MP's defied the Labour whip and voted for, - Result Corbyn sacking 3 frontbench Shadow ministers.

So, lets recap, 51 Labour MP's defy Corbyn. 0 Tory MP's defy Theresa May. whose the party in crisis? a clear split there for all to see in the Labour Party, who's the more Strong and stable party. How many reshuffles have the labour party had? there about to have another.

55 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

So you're crowing in delight that the end austerity amendment was defeated? You''re delighted to have endless austerity? Endless cuts? A perpetual spiral of decline into a third world nation, but a Free! one, free of the tyranny of Brussels? You're so delighted at that? You seriously want to reassess your priorities, if this makes you crow with delight. 

i'm delighted Theresa May wasn't defeated unlike your good self. you was predicting a hiding for Theresa, it never happened. i feel your disappointment.

On austerity, see my post above #779.

Get out of the EU invest that £10Billion here in the UK, and raise income from tariffs. import cheaper goods from the wider world. I cant find the note i made but on my travels i came across a piece that estimated the UK would be £7Billion better off under WTO with EU trade alone. that's £17Billion annually in the coffers if we add in our membership fee. Austerity is costing us £23 Billion annually. we pay £13Billion in foreign aid. reduce the aid budget to £7Billion, use the freed up £6Billion add to the £17Billion = £23Billion. austerity over, add in the spending of the resulting investment here in the UK add in the credit multiplier, investment, money raised, taxes raised National debt cleared by 2030.

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3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Jeremy Corbyn hit his high water mark and was still 55 seats short.

He said Labour would vote down the Queens speech and force another election, Labour are the Government in waiting: News The Queens speech was passed. all the amendments put forward by Labour were defeated. including the end austerity amendment, which was defeated by 26 votes. and as for Pro-EU Labour MP Chuka Umunna's proposal; Amendment on the UK remaining part of the EU's single market and customs Union, it was defeated;  It was defeated by 322 votes to 101, majority 221, Theresa May didn't even need the DUP.

First test of the strong and stable government:

rubber-stamp.jpg

 

I get it you are an ardent Tory.

But even an ardent Tory must admit the election was a crushing defeat for May.

She started with a clear majority (she inherited it from Cameron, as she was unelected).

She tried to turn it into a landslide, so she could push ahead with her vision of Brexit (which in her child-like mind amounted to simplistic sayings like "Brexit means Brexit" without any consideration of what that would mean).

She was crushed, and forced to give the DUP £1.5 billion to get their 10 votes to stay in power. Which is why she won the above vote which you are so proud of. That's how many million per vote, paid as a bribe?

When you and other Tories say NI needed the 1.5 billion, you are playing into the socialist's hands, because that is so obviously true. Wales also needs 1.5 billion, so does the North, so does the SW.Think of all the good they could do- new schools, hospitals, healthcare, education etc.

The North could be rejuvenated with a decent cash injection.

And don't suggest May handed over the money because she could see it was needed- she could see it was needed before the election- but did not offer it.(She only offered £5 million to the Grenfell survivors because civil unrest was looming).

It was a bribe, pure and simple, to keep the Tories in power. A weak move by a weak government.

And don't think Europe hasn't noticed-May has volunteered to bring the UK to it's knees, and now she is attempting to do it without a mandate.

The Tories look set to destroy this country and return it to medieval feudalism.

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10 hours ago, stevewinn said:

i'm delighted Theresa May wasn't defeated unlike your good self. you was predicting a hiding for Theresa, it never happened. i feel your disappointment.

"Theresa". :wub: 

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14 hours ago, RAyMO said:

The concern was never about money Bee - the concern ws always the government getting into bed with one party to the dispute. Even in the deal itself there were very carefully chosen words to cause division. Its unbelieviable that the government weren't aware of these and went ahead with them anyway. 

 

Ok.... let's hope the deal doesn't cause a major problem for Peace in NI - for the sake of the people who live there -

 

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8 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

I get it you are an ardent Tory.

But even an ardent Tory must admit the election was a crushing defeat for May.

 

Steve can speak for himself, of course, but he has said before that he is a floating voter -

like I am and correct me if I'm wrong... like you are and I think Manfred is as well --

 

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Here's a slogan for Steve to put on his banner of Theresa :wub: .. The Conservatives promise more austerity for all and less taxes for the rich.

It's sure to be a winner!

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8 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

She tried to turn it into a landslide, so she could push ahead with her vision of Brexit (which in her child-like mind amounted to simplistic sayings like "Brexit means Brexit" without any consideration of what that would mean).


If only we had a grown up like you as PM, eugene... I expect your slogan would be 'Brexit doesn't mean Brexit'
maybe with a logo of the two fingered gesture :blink:

Theresa May underestimated the opposition and has payed the price but Brexit is still on track -
ardent Remainers had no other choice but to vote Labour to try and engineer a reversal of the decision or
to keep Britain in the single market which wouldn't be Leaving -

we can see from the rebellion in the Labour ranks that they might have pulled that off had there been more Labour MPs -

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, bee said:

Ok.... let's hope the deal doesn't cause a major problem for Peace in NI - for the sake of the people who live there

on that we can agree. Unfortunately, and this is clearly not the governments fault, we have parties in NI that could fail to find a compromise on wether  tea or coffee should be served at a meeting.

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 hey Steve, there was a piece on the local news just now, about the closure of the Portland coastguard helicopter station so that they'll now have to come from a good half-hour's flying time away. There was someone from Theresa :wub: 's Government explaining how people will see in a year's time that it was a really great breakthrough in providing a better service for our customers. Is this the kind of outright barefaced hypocrisy that we can look forward to for however long Theresa :wub: 's shameless gang of cronies manages to cling on to power?

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10 hours ago, bee said:

 

Steve can speak for himself, of course, but he has said before that he is a floating voter -

like I am and correct me if I'm wrong... like you are and I think Manfred is as well --

 

Spot on Bee, I've said it many times have no allegiance to any political party.

19 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

I get it you are an ardent Tory.

But even an ardent Tory must admit the election was a crushing defeat for May.

She started with a clear majority (she inherited it from Cameron, as she was unelected).

She tried to turn it into a landslide, so she could push ahead with her vision of Brexit (which in her child-like mind amounted to simplistic sayings like "Brexit means Brexit" without any consideration of what that would mean).

She was crushed, and forced to give the DUP £1.5 billion to get their 10 votes to stay in power. Which is why she won the above vote which you are so proud of. That's how many million per vote, paid as a bribe?

When you and other Tories say NI needed the 1.5 billion, you are playing into the socialist's hands, because that is so obviously true. Wales also needs 1.5 billion, so does the North, so does the SW.Think of all the good they could do- new schools, hospitals, healthcare, education etc.

The North could be rejuvenated with a decent cash injection.

And don't suggest May handed over the money because she could see it was needed- she could see it was needed before the election- but did not offer it.(She only offered £5 million to the Grenfell survivors because civil unrest was looming).

It was a bribe, pure and simple, to keep the Tories in power. A weak move by a weak government.

And don't think Europe hasn't noticed-May has volunteered to bring the UK to it's knees, and now she is attempting to do it without a mandate.

The Tories look set to destroy this country and return it to medieval feudalism.

Not a ardent Tory at all.

Brexit means Brexit has certainly become the buzz word for the remoaners, and yet at every step from the Referendum result to Parliament passing the Act of Parliament mandating the UK to leave the EU to the General Election to the Queens speech, it's crystal clear as it was yesterday when the amendment by Labours Chuka Unmuna was defeated. - The UK is leaving the Single Market & Customs Union. - Brexit does in fact mean Brexit. (see below)

If the Tory Party where crushed in the General Election how are they the Government? IF the Tories where crushed then what the hell happened to the Labour Party?

DUP, £1Billion. (Not £1.5Billion as £500Million is old money) Its politics, that is why MP's and parties exist to challenge the Government. it happens at all levels, Government department ministers get extra money or cuts lessened as a reward for loyalty. The DUP have done the same thing, they've secured extra funds for the citizens of Northern Ireland. over a two year period. £500million this year £500million next. in year three there is no extra payments. For Wales, the powers have been devolved and will come into force in 18 months time where they'll be able to raise £1Billion for Infrastructure etc.. (same as the DUP) as for Scotland, they receive the same this year. which is boosted by £800million by Westminster. - See there is a reason why the figure is £1Billion for the DUP. Northern Ireland is, or was set to receive nearly £1Billion anyway, You could say (but many wont)  this Tory Deal as brought that forward putting Northern Ireland in-line with Scotland and Wales.

Grenfell Tower, £5Million. that figure is part of a contingency fund  for emergencies which is held by Government for disasters such as unforeseen natural and unnatural disasters - in this case a devastating fire and is released for the local authorities to support the people affected. just under £5,000 compensation will be paid to individuals. (i didn't know we lived in a society that has to receive money in order not to riot, or prevent civil unrest in the aftermath of a disaster, very dangerous picture you paint) 

Bribe to keep the Tories in power, - not exactly, The Tories as the largest party would have formed the government without the DUP and would still be in power. - The DUP deal is to make sure the Government as a majority when it comes to voting. But as i pointed out yesterday, The Queens speech was passed without the need of the DUP and Labours amendments were also defeated without DUP support. no doubt in the future the DUP's votes will come into play. 

The Government has no mandate, see Referendum result, European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 which received Royal Assent that mandates the UK Government to Leave the EU.

I think your getting a little carried away and dramatic with your prediction the Tories will Bring the country to its knees, medieval feudalism. - Such thinking must be part of the snowflake generation.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 hey Steve, there was a piece on the local news just now, about the closure of the Portland coastguard helicopter station so that they'll now have to come from a good half-hour's flying time away. There was someone from Theresa :wub: 's Government explaining how people will see in a year's time that it was a really great breakthrough in providing a better service for our customers. Is this the kind of outright barefaced hypocrisy that we can look forward to for however long Theresa :wub: 's shameless gang of cronies manages to cling on to power?

Living on the coast in Hampshire as I do, I have also been following this very closely. Portland will be serviced from Lee-on-Solent which is a scant 15 mins from Portland (less at max speed) not the "good half-hour" you are citing. Also, Portland only operated on a 12 hour basis with the very much less capable AW139. The new AW189's responding out of Lee-on-Solent have far better capabilities, can operate in ALL weather conditions, and are on-station for 24/7. Portland also had the lowest call-out rate in the entire country so it makes perfect sense for Lee-on-Solent to replace it. IMO

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2 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

Britain is the World's worst performing economy, according to latest figures:http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/confirmed-britain-is-officially-the-worst-performing-major-economy-on-earth-right-now/ar-BBDtTk1?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=uie11msnhpl

Let's hope someone can get us on track!

Hmm... this is typical Economics doublethink. Britains economy may be GROWING at a low rate, but to say that it is the "worst performing" is distorting the language to breaking point. Our economy produces more value in terms of goods and services than most others on the planet. Just because it is not growing as rapidly, does not mean that it is the "worst performing". 

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2 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

Britain is the World's worst performing economy, according to latest figures:http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/confirmed-britain-is-officially-the-worst-performing-major-economy-on-earth-right-now/ar-BBDtTk1?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=uie11msnhpl

Let's hope someone can get us on track!

Misleading Headline again by the Media, the word, World for example, Britain is the Worlds worst performing economy, Not exactly, you read the article and it states "The 0.2% Q2 figure makes Britain the worst performing major economy on earth right now" look at the words 'worst performing and major economy" they are used to justify the headline, Yet the reality is very different, the reality is 7 countries, the words World and Earth is referring to 7 countries not exactly the world or earth is it now.

Its crap journalism like this that dumbs down the readership of such utter rubbish.

A better source without Journalistic spin, or opinion, https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/secondestimateofgdp/quarter1jantomar2017

Background, The UK has been the fastest growing member of the G7 for the last four years, lets see what happens by years end.

1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 hey Steve, there was a piece on the local news just now, about the closure of the Portland coastguard helicopter station so that they'll now have to come from a good half-hour's flying time away. There was someone from Theresa :wub: 's Government explaining how people will see in a year's time that it was a really great breakthrough in providing a better service for our customers. Is this the kind of outright barefaced hypocrisy that we can look forward to for however long Theresa :wub: 's shameless gang of cronies manages to cling on to power?

I cannot be expected to comment on every decision made, especially when its local issues as is this. - But i did look at the response from the department of transport, according to the statement the current helicopter station operates only in daytime hours, the station will remain open as a landing and refuelling station, but 24 hour cover instead of 11 hours will now be provided from a different base.

If that is true that the station is only operated during daylight hours what happens outside of them hours? im guessing in those hours the Helicopter comes from the new proposed station you are against.

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