Theresa May calls General Election for June 8

[stevewinn]

44 minutes ago, keithisco said:

Living on the coast in Hampshire as I do, I have also been following this very closely. Portland will be serviced from Lee-on-Solent which is a scant 15 mins from Portland (less at max speed) not the "good half-hour" you are citing. Also, Portland only operated on a 12 hour basis with the very much less capable AW139. The new AW189's responding out of Lee-on-Solent have far better capabilities, can operate in ALL weather conditions, and are on-station for 24/7. Portland also had the lowest call-out rate in the entire country so it makes perfect sense for Lee-on-Solent to replace it. IMO

well there you go i was writing my reply when you posted, But it goes to show local knowledge and the picture by Manfred is not as he painted. - maybe he didn't understand the story or worse he was political point scoring.

What do you think Manfred of theTory Government providing you with better ALL weather Rescue Helicopters and 24 hour cover? must be pleased.

[eugenonegin]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Spot on Bee, I've said it many times have no allegiance to any political party.

Not a ardent Tory at all.

Brexit means Brexit has certainly become the buzz word for the remoaners, and yet at every step from the Referendum result to Parliament passing the Act of Parliament mandating the UK to leave the EU to the General Election to the Queens speech, it's crystal clear as it was yesterday when the amendment by Labours Chuka Unmuna was defeated. - The UK is leaving the Single Market & Customs Union. - Brexit does in fact mean Brexit. (see below)

If the Tory Party where crushed in the General Election how are they the Government? IF the Tories where crushed then what the hell happened to the Labour Party?

DUP, £1Billion. (Not £1.5Billion as £500Million is old money) Its politics, that is why MP's and parties exist to challenge the Government. it happens at all levels, Government department ministers get extra money or cuts lessened as a reward for loyalty. The DUP have done the same thing, they've secured extra funds for the citizens of Northern Ireland. over a two year period. £500million this year £500million next. in year three there is no extra payments. For Wales, the powers have been devolved and will come into force in 18 months time where they'll be able to raise £1Billion for Infrastructure etc.. (same as the DUP) as for Scotland, they receive the same this year. which is boosted by £800million by Westminster. - See there is a reason why the figure is £1Billion for the DUP. Northern Ireland is, or was set to receive nearly £1Billion anyway, You could say (but many wont)  this Tory Deal as brought that forward putting Northern Ireland in-line with Scotland and Wales.

Grenfell Tower, £5Million. that figure is part of a contingency fund  for emergencies which is held by Government for disasters such as unforeseen natural and unnatural disasters - in this case a devastating fire and is released for the local authorities to support the people affected. just under £5,000 compensation will be paid to individuals. (i didn't know we lived in a society that has to receive money in order not to riot, or prevent civil unrest in the aftermath of a disaster, very dangerous picture you paint) 

Bribe to keep the Tories in power, - not exactly, The Tories as the largest party would have formed the government without the DUP and would still be in power. - The DUP deal is to make sure the Government as a majority when it comes to voting. But as i pointed out yesterday, The Queens speech was passed without the need of the DUP and Labours amendments were also defeated without DUP support. no doubt in the future the DUP's votes will come into play. 

The Government has no mandate, see Referendum result, European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 which received Royal Assent that mandates the UK Government to Leave the EU.

I think your getting a little carried away and dramatic with your prediction the Tories will Bring the country to its knees, medieval feudalism. - Such thinking must be part of the snowflake generation.

 

 

Well I'm not part of the snowflake generation, I'm in my thirties! Other than that you make some interesting points.

Edited June 30, 2017 by eugeneonegin

[Space Commander Travis]

22 hours ago, keithisco said:

Living on the coast in Hampshire as I do, I have also been following this very closely. Portland will be serviced from Lee-on-Solent which is a scant 15 mins from Portland (less at max speed) not the "good half-hour" you are citing. Also, Portland only operated on a 12 hour basis with the very much less capable AW139. The new AW189's responding out of Lee-on-Solent have far better capabilities, can operate in ALL weather conditions, and are on-station for 24/7. Portland also had the lowest call-out rate in the entire country so it makes perfect sense for Lee-on-Solent to replace it. IMO

Seems to be working well so far.

http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/15384763.Diver_s_90_minute_wait_for_coastguard_just_24_hours_after_Portland_coastguard_helicopter_stops_operating/ 

[Space Commander Travis]

 

22 hours ago, stevewinn said:

well there you go i was writing my reply when you posted, But it goes to show local knowledge and the picture by Manfred is not as he painted. - maybe he didn't understand the story or worse he was political point scoring.

What do you think Manfred of theTory Government providing you with better ALL weather Rescue Helicopters and 24 hour cover? must be pleased.

No, i'm too stupid, being a leftie, to understand what a truly amazingly wonderful new world of efficiency this is, and I'm very greatful to you for being so kind as to explain it, with the aid of smilies, for people who don't understand such as myself.

Perhaps you could explain to the person in the story quoted above how they don't understand what a radical improvement this is too.

 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[stevewinn]

51 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 

No, i'm too stupid, being a leftie, to understand what a truly amazingly wonderful new world of efficiency this is, and I'm very greatful to you for being so kind as to explain it, with the aid of smilies, for people who don't understand such as myself.

Perhaps you could explain to the person in the story quoted above how they don't understand what a radical improvement this is too.

 

I don't think your stupid far from it.

As for the linked piece above, its unfortunate and probably coincidental, without looking im sure in the past there have been delays from the now closed station. these things do happen. 

[eugenonegin]

Well, this is a genuine surprise. A LSE poll finds 60% of UK citizens want to keep their EU status:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

Six out of 10 Britons want to keep their European Union citizenship after Brexit – including the rights to live, work, study and travel in the EU – and many would be prepared to pay large sums to do so, according to research led by the London School of Economics.

Support for retaining the rights is particularly strong among 18- to 24-year-olds, 85% of whom want to retain their EU citizenship in addition to their British citizenship. Around 80% of people living in London also want to maintain the same rights.

Personally, I am a bit amazed at this abrupt turn round in voters views.

Edited July 1, 2017 by eugeneonegin

[keithisco]

12 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

Well, this is a genuine surprise. A LSE poll finds 60% of UK citizens want to keep their EU status:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

Six out of 10 Britons want to keep their European Union citizenship after Brexit – including the rights to live, work, study and travel in the EU – and many would be prepared to pay large sums to do so, according to research led by the London School of Economics.

Support for retaining the rights is particularly strong among 18- to 24-year-olds, 85% of whom want to retain their EU citizenship in addition to their British citizenship. Around 80% of people living in London also want to maintain the same rights.

Personally, I am a bit amazed at this abrupt turn round in voters views.

If UK Citizens want to pay to also be a EU Citizen then that is fine-why not? However do not confuse a wish to gain extra-National rights with a desire to Remain in the EU as a full member. The two are not the same by any means, and despite Donald Tusk really promoting the concept, no other Commission head is of the same view.

To address  your other point: "Personally, I am a bit amazed at this abrupt turn round in voters views." is an inaccurate reading of this poll.

I have said before, and will boringly re-iterate,without knowing the demographic of the Polled individuals then the results have no weight behind them and need to be ignored. This is exactly the same as the CBI polling before Brexit which covered only 0.3% of registered businesses (anecdotally: I was not asked for my viewpoint) yet translated into a 65% remain result. This was later found to be entirely bogus. 

[eugenonegin]

1 hour ago, keithisco said:

If UK Citizens want to pay to also be a EU Citizen then that is fine-why not? However do not confuse a wish to gain extra-National rights with a desire to Remain in the EU as a full member. The two are not the same by any means, and despite Donald Tusk really promoting the concept, no other Commission head is of the same view.

To address  your other point: "Personally, I am a bit amazed at this abrupt turn round in voters views." is an inaccurate reading of this poll.

I have said before, and will boringly re-iterate,without knowing the demographic of the Polled individuals then the results have no weight behind them and need to be ignored. This is exactly the same as the CBI polling before Brexit which covered only 0.3% of registered businesses (anecdotally: I was not asked for my viewpoint) yet translated into a 65% remain result. This was later found to be entirely bogus. 

I did wonder whether the poll could possibly be accurate-thanks for this. Statistics and lies. eh?

[Space Commander Travis]

Today's eyecatching headline:

• May speech 'could have been from Mein Kampf', says Cable

50 Godwin points for Mr. Cable!

Edited July 5, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[eugenonegin]

Labour takes lead in first poll since their snap election win:http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-takes-shock-eight-point-lead-in-first-poll-since-surprise-election-results/ar-BBDVnvc?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=uie11msnhpl

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, eugeneonegin said:

Labour takes lead in first poll since their snap election win:http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-takes-shock-eight-point-lead-in-first-poll-since-surprise-election-results/ar-BBDVnvc?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=uie11msnhpl

And yet in the only poll that counts, IE: the general election Labour were still not elected.

1979-Callaghan 269 seats, resigned.

1992-Kinnock 271 seats, resigned.

2017-Corbyn 262 seats, claims victory & orders the winner to resign.

Edited July 7, 2017 by stevewinn

[eugenonegin]

9 hours ago, stevewinn said:

And yet in the only poll that counts, IE: the general election Labour were still not elected.

1979-Callaghan 269 seats, resigned.

1992-Kinnock 271 seats, resigned.

2017-Corbyn 262 seats, claims victory & orders the winner to resign.

But of course he did not have the power to buy votes (or the £billions it cost for just 10) - yet.

[Space Commander Travis]

16 hours ago, stevewinn said:

And yet in the only poll that counts, IE: the general election Labour were still not elected.

1979-Callaghan 269 seats, resigned.

1992-Kinnock 271 seats, resigned.

2017-Corbyn 262 seats, claims victory & orders the winner to resign.

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Neither did Ms. May get enough seats to have any kind of power, and this was almost entirely due to Labour gaining seats. But funny how you always manage to avoid that bit isn't it. 

[stevewinn]

3 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Neither did Ms. May get enough seats to have any kind of power, and this was almost entirely due to Labour gaining seats. But funny how you always manage to avoid that bit isn't it. 

Manfred what the hell has happened to you? Before you answer please screw your partisan political head off and get the old Manfred head off the shelf and put that back on. Okay reply to your post; If that's what you truly believe then you clearly don't understand our electoral system, But to be honest i think you do, i know you do, your no fool, you just want to make a party political point, and i don't know what makes it worse the fact you know your post is wrong but you still post it anyway, the grudge you hold is overriding your usual better sense of judgement you are getting as bad as the Brexit Remoaners and equally increasing the risk of making yourself look foolish. I never had you down as a sore loser, or Election whinger.

According to you the Tories didn't get enough seats to be the government, well who in your mind should be the rightful government. the Labour party? surely not, in a true coalition of chaos, a coalition consisting of the SNP, Lib Dems, and Greens. and even then, if you add up all the seats from them parties they still fall short of Tory number. what would be the true cost of such a coalition, what 'favours' would they demanded of the Labour Party.

Just to make it clear.

Tory Party 318 seats.

Labour 262.

SNP 35.

Lib Dems 12.

Greens 1.

DUP 10.

Other 12.

 

 

[Essan]

And, by tradition (though it's not, I think, an actual legal obligation) the Queen first asks the leader of the gang with the most number of seats to form a government.   Not the one with the second most number of seats - though that might happen if the former declines to form a government for whatever reason.

It doesn't matter exactly how many seats they or anyone else has.    You don't have to have an overall majority of gang members in Parliament.  Just more members than any other gang.