Ancient carvings confirm deadly comet strike

[docyabut2]

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 Again -I have been studying this comet thing in hitting the earth 10,000 years ago , for a long time in the  Younger Dryas . but it seems all my scientific  data and links proving a comet never hit has been wiped out on this site. :( why doesn't this site  keep the data of a member ? I guess I`ll have to go to another site where I posted all this data and hopeful its there.Graham Hancock was so wrong:) People, there is no real evidence a comet hit  10,000 years ago 

 

Edited April 22, 2017 by docyabut2

[ShadowSot]

8 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

So...Graham Hancock was right? He's been preaching this idea since the 90's but Academia has been very reluctant to attribute the most recent mass extinction with a comet impact. Not sure why they are so stuck on linear-ism. Impacts have happened before, there are thousands of big rocks whizzing around the Earth...why has this theory been so aggressively opposed for so long?

Sounds like a chemical engineer is backfitting his favorie interpretations and making the data fit his conclusions. 

[ShadowSot]

36 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

10,000 BC and man was painting cave walls and living as hunters and gatherers. Well this is true as the evidence say's so. But what about Gobelki Tepe? Its a temple suggesting permeant habitation and civilisation. Where did this building temples in stone and carving them with excellent motifs... recording cataclysmic events and so forth come from. You know this is specialisation beyond the efforts of subsistence living, requiring learning and craft. It takes time to accumulate this knowledge. You just don't wake up and decide that building in stone and decorating is a good idea. There is logic, reason and effect displayed here. This civilisation came from somewhere cause it sure as hell didn't come directly from the cave painters.    

Gobekli Tepe isn't the first example, just the biggest. And all indications are of semi permanence, no permanent settlements at the time. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

40 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

10,000 BC and man was painting cave walls and living as hunters and gatherers. Well this is true as the evidence say's so. But what about Gobelki Tepe? Its a temple suggesting permeant habitation and civilisation. Where did this building temples in stone and carving them with excellent motifs... recording cataclysmic events and so forth come from. You know this is specialisation beyond the efforts of subsistence living, requiring learning and craft. It takes time to accumulate this knowledge. You just don't wake up and decide that building in stone and decorating is a good idea. There is logic, reason and effect displayed here. This civilisation came from somewhere cause it sure as hell didn't come directly from the cave painters.    

Which takes me back to my theory of what GT is - it's the first UN, its where the local tribes to meet to trade, to hash out issue etc. each tribe was represented by the stone icons. As time went on, as tribes died out or were assimilated GT was remodelled to represent the new status quo.

[docyabut2]

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Oh well do go on, but there was no asteroid hitting the earth 10,000 years ago. I believe  Gobelki Tepe was never as old as they  are trying to tell us

 

[docyabut2]

[kmt_sesh]

Sounds like the author has read too much Hancock and is basically parroting him, while trying to force the "evidence" to fit his notion.

Bad science. Very, very bad.

There's a reason, after all, that Hancock's ideas, while possibly entertaining to read, are not taken seriously.

[ShadowSot]

2 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Sounds like the author has read too much Hancock and is basically parroting him, while trying to force the "evidence" to fit his notion.

Bad science. Very, very bad.

There's a reason, after all, that Hancock's ideas, while possibly entertaining to read, are not taken seriously.

And that reason is the Illuminati.

[docyabut2]

I believe in the Architectural and the evolution of design, and these stones in Spain  that were made much earlier  were never so prefect as those in Gobelki Tepe .

[kmt_sesh]

9 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Oh well do go on, but there was no asteroid hitting the earth 10,000 years ago. I believe  Gobelki Tepe was never as old as they  are trying to tell us

Oh, it's definitely that old. Carbon dating has confirmed it. It's now accepted history. But fringe folks delight in stretching real evidence to bizarre limits and ignoring science (which, arguably, most of them don't really understand to begin with). Spectacular sites like Göbekli Tepe are juicy fodder for the fringe because there is still a lot of mystery to them, and the fringe loves to invent all kinds of whimsy around the mystery.

[kmt_sesh]

1 minute ago, ShadowSot said:

And that reason is the Illuminati.

Shush, you. You know you're not to mention them.

Don't make me send the black helicopters.

[ShadowSot]

1 minute ago, kmt_sesh said:

Shush, you. You know you're not to mention them.

Don't make me send the black helicopters.

I don't care anymore. Send 'em. Its just not worth it. 

 Also, people should know the whole pineal gland thing is a bluff. You want it calcified, actually. 

[back to earth]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Yes he was. There was not long ago another thread about Gobelki Tepe that was argued by a certain poster that the site was more than a gathering of hunting lodges and a depository of animal bones.

Of course it was more than that  -  Who is this alleged person that first said they were only a hunting lodge and  a bone depository .? 

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He argued that it was an observatory and temple complex representing high culture and civilisation.

So .... people make all sorts of weak and BS arguments , the point is  -  what evidence was shown to support that argument ? 

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Of course for some on this site the concept that anything older than 10,000 BC and geared for more than hunters and gathers was impossible to comprehend. 

Now you are making up your own parameters ......   'herding' and  'proto- animal husbandry'  can be seen as a bridge between  H G and the development of agriculture .... just as there is a similar 'merge'  from 'gathering' to agriculture. So, nit sure what you are trying to suggest here ... except that some unknown and unnamed person  here  believes stuff that the research and science does not show

 

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Would anyone like a piece of crow pie?

 And apparently you made a crow pie that you cannot finish .......  no thanks , pass, I just had lunch .  

Edited April 22, 2017 by back to earth

[kmt_sesh]

9 hours ago, Hanslune said:

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'Interpreted' oh my!

I would change the title of this thread from 'confirm' to 'speculates on a'

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That's exactly it right there. I wanted to say something similar but you beat me to it.

So, in other words..."theory" invalidated.

[docyabut2]

8 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Oh, it's definitely that old. Carbon dating has confirmed it. It's now accepted history. But fringe folks delight in stretching real evidence to bizarre limits and ignoring science (which, arguably, most of them don't really understand to begin with). Spectacular sites like Göbekli Tepe are juicy fodder for the fringe because there is still a lot of mystery to them, and the fringe loves to invent all kinds of whimsy around the mystery.

but kmt  were nt they using the Carbon dating  on dirt and bones  that were dug up by the Göbekli Tepe ?

[back to earth]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

...as opposed to ignoring all evidence suggesting more than some can or want to accept.  

I doubt you even know what is being talked about , if so , explain the evidence and the carvings that indicate the constellations and how their arrangements in the carvings match any time position in the sky . 

[Hanslune]

4 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

That's exactly it right there. I wanted to say something similar but you beat me to it.

So, in other words..."theory" invalidated.

Perhaps, a lot of fringe have fixated on GT, which is a great site, but there are many, many others that deserve attention such as:

Ganj Dareh

Choqa Golan

Atlit Yam

Ali Kosh

Catalhuyuck which is very important

etc

They seem to be doing what that they did with Egypt over concentrating on Giza and the Great Pyramid.

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2017 by Hanslune

[back to earth]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Probably representative of constellations and gods. But what does it really matter how many pillars there are or what the images point to when you obviously have a problem accepting whats in front of you. The fact is that these structures and the thinking and logic behind them were, not replicated by any other civilisation or peoples before them or for a long time after them. Nothing has been found to date and probably won't be to compare them with. What Gobelki Tepe is or rather should be viewed as, is a historical anomaly. Something that is outta place and time for what man was capable at that time (or at least what current historians will have you believe), and as such should question all known history.  

Hancock was right and his detractors wrong. 

Oh Risky .... have you ever thought that we haven't discovered everything that has been left behind yet ?  

You do seem in a rush to embarrass yourself here .  And you have already started your trick of talking silly things that don't make sense while at the same time, talking down to people who are rather knowledgeable in their fields . 

But you seem angry at them , for some reason .... which is why I am guessing you love Hancock        

[Hanslune]

3 minutes ago, back to earth said:

I doubt you even know what is being talked about , if so , explain the evidence and the carvings that indicate the constellations and how their arrangements in the carvings match any time position in the sky . 

.....is he being contrary to try and start a fight again? I don't read his post these days.

[Hanslune]

Just now, back to earth said:

Oh Risky .... have you ever thought that we haven't discovered everything that has been left behind yet ?  

You do seem in a rush to embarrass yourself here .  And you have already started your trick of talking silly things that don't make sense while at the same time, talking down to people who are rather knowledgeable in their fields . 

But you seem angry at them , for some reason .... which is why I am guessing you love Hancock        

Less that 5% of GT has been excavated. I suspect their are more such/similar sites in the FC and Zagros mountains of Iran

[kmt_sesh]

4 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

but kmt  were nt they using the Carbon dating  on dirt and bones  that were dug up by the Göbekli Tepe ?

Dirt can't usually be carbon dated, unless it is rich in floral matter. The sample has to be organic. That means bones might be good for testing, but as you can see on this page, the majority of the samples came from charcoal. Being organic in origin, charcoal is excellent for this form of dating.

I'm not sure what you mean by "dug up by the Göbekli Tepe." The samples came from archaeological strata dug up by the archaeologists on-site.

[ShadowSot]

2 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Less that 5% of GT has been excavated. I suspect their are more such/similar sites in the FC and Zagros mountains of Iran

There are a few of them, but not as well documented online I've found. 

[kmt_sesh]

6 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Perhaps, a lot of fringe have fixated on GT, which is a great site, but there are many, many others that deserve attention such as:

Ganj Dareh

Choqa Golan

Atlit Yam

Ali Kosh

Catalhuyuck which is very important

etc

They seem to be doing what that they did with Egypt over concentrating on Giza and the Great Pyramid.

 

 

 

Egypt has been and continues to be exhaustively studied, and the more the science occurs there, the less fodder fringies have. Although, as we've seen at UM, that doesn't seem to sway some of the extreme fringies.

I'm not even sure what some of the sites are in your list. The third one down sounds like a Thanksgiving side dish. But Catalhöyük continues to be excavated and studied. It's a fascinating site and there's a great website for it.

I like it when an academic team puts together a reliable website for their work. But I fear for every credible academic website there are 50 others slapped together by half-baked, uneducated lunatics. Or maybe more than 50.

[back to earth]

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

10,000 BC and man was painting cave walls and living as hunters and gatherers. Well this is true as the evidence say's so. But what about Gobelki Tepe?

Funny thing for an Aussie to say ....     people still did hunting and gathering all over the place while others developed technologies ad civilisations .....  have you ever heard of the Australian Aboriginal .....   some still are hunter gatherers ....  there are some in Africa too, and Sth America, Indonesia, SE Asia,  Siberia ,   Alaska  .... 

Who is it that is saying every single person was a H/G  10,000 BC and 'painted cave walls'  .    Even H G that did 'paint cave walls' could have built things .

I think you are attemtping to charge a windmill here .... and actually, you are acting like you have just had some type of victory .   

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

 

Its a temple suggesting permeant habitation and civilisation.

Why ?    Where is the 'civilisation " ?   Do you know what the world 'civilisation '   means ? 

 

Definition of civilization

1. 1a :  a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically :  the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attainedb :  the culture characteristic of a particular time or place the impact of Europeancivilization on the lands they colonized

2. 2:  the process of becoming civilized civilization is a slow process with many failures and setbacks

3. 3a :  refinement of thought, manners, or taste exhibiting a high level of civilization b :  a situation of urban comfort Our African safari was quite interesting, but it was great to get back to civilization.

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Where did this building temples in stone and carving them with excellent motifs... recording cataclysmic events and so forth come from.

From the 'culture'   ( not 'civilisation'  ) of the people that lived in that area and associated peoples and areas -  possibly as far down into Central Asia and maybe even into the Indus and back around along the north Arabian sea coast to  Mesopotamia  -  and  the Nile Valley .  

If you look at the stone work of ancient Egypt, much of it depicts other building mediums, perhaps the original building mediums , of palm trunks, bunches of reeds tied together, woven mat walls, etc .  GT  could have been one of the first ones that made the transition for decayable materials into stone .  Its got to start somewhere. 

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

You know this is specialisation beyond the efforts of subsistence living, requiring learning and craft. It takes time to accumulate this knowledge. You just don't wake up and decide that building in stone and decorating is a good idea.

Ummmm .... think again,  you dont seem to realise how long and how well these people had already been working with stone .  And why would they not have had learning and crafts going back 30.000 years ... again , the Australian Aboriginal !

Use your noggin mate ! 

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

 

There is logic, reason and effect displayed here. This civilisation came from somewhere cause it sure as hell didn't come directly from the cave painters.    

What the hell is it with you and ' cave painters '  ... you have not gone back to this silly idea about   dumb arze cave men that only grunted and painted stick figures on walls    have you ....     

WAIT !   OMG   !   .... I forgot about the racist comments you made to me ...... 

 

... are you supporting some idea about dumb arze cave painters that  you assume had no culture and intelligence and some other group of humans has been in the background that are super smart , and bought  'civilisation'  to the  world  ?  

 Hooooooo    boy  !    

[Hanslune]

11 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

I'm not even sure what some of the sites are in your list. The third one down sounds like a Thanksgiving side dish.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/43902647/1993-___J_FIELD_ARCH_Atlit_Yam.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1492832640&Signature=ZuJktxN6bWUUsApMLUdAsHWVNhs%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B filename%3DAtlit-Yam_A_prehistoric_site_on_the_sea.pdf