Trump Leaks Highly Classified Intel to Russia

[Lilly]

6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Or you guys could maybe vote Libertarian? or Green?  The two party mind we have is what caused these problems.

The point is not that there wouldn't be any alternate choices to vote for, but rather that none of the choices would have the chance of a snowball in hell of gaining enough power to affect policy.

[+and-then]

51 minutes ago, Lilly said:

The point is not that there wouldn't be any alternate choices to vote for, but rather that none of the choices would have the chance of a snowball in hell of gaining enough power to affect policy.

Precisely so, Lilly.  When the majority in 30 states can legally elect a candidate and then an openly corrupt media complex working with one party can nullify those results with ZERO proof being given of wrongdoing, our electoral process is shown to be a bad joke.  Our government has one, last chance to show that justice and the rule of law still matter.  If it fails then I believe our country will fail.  It won't happen overnight but it will happen.  The need for equity under the legal system, simple fairness among citizens, is the most vital need we have in this republic.  The display from the Democrats and their media dogs has been disgusting and anyone that supports them in this lynching should someday be subjected to their tender ministrations on behalf of "the people"

[Einsteinium]

43 minutes ago, and then said:

Precisely so, Lilly.  When the majority in 30 states can legally elect a candidate and then an openly corrupt media complex working with one party can nullify those results with ZERO proof being given of wrongdoing, our electoral process is shown to be a bad joke.  Our government has one, last chance to show that justice and the rule of law still matter.  If it fails then I believe our country will fail.  It won't happen overnight but it will happen.  The need for equity under the legal system, simple fairness among citizens, is the most vital need we have in this republic.  The display from the Democrats and their media dogs has been disgusting and anyone that supports them in this lynching should someday be subjected to their tender ministrations on behalf of "the people"

I don't see how you can say that the media complex is working with only one party. Seems to me that the republicans have Fox News and the vast majority of talk radio which is a huge segment of the media, not to mention Breitbart.

That being said, if you ignore the talking head opinion pieces the media does a good job of presenting important facts. I don't like how they fill up so much time with opinion pieces, but I suppose with 24/7 news you need to talk about something to fill in all that time.

The media merely reports on what is going on with Trump, Trump is the one who is making a lot of mistakes and miscalculations, all the media is doing is reporting on what he does and what people around him are saying about it. They don't even need to try to paint him in a bad light, he does that for them. I think his business background running private companies (all his public company adventures were total failures) ill prepared him for the presidency. He is even less qualified and experienced than Obama was when he was first elected, and yet I hear nothing from you right wing Trump supporters on his lack of experience and preparedness. Yet when Obama was first elected you would go on and on about how unqualified he was. The hypocrisy from the right is mind blowing!

[Merc14]

12 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

I don't see how you can say that the media complex is working with only one party. Seems to me that the republicans have Fox News and the vast majority of talk radio which is a huge segment of the media, not to mention Breitbart.

That being said, if you ignore the talking head opinion pieces the media does a good job of presenting important facts. I don't like how they fill up so much time with opinion pieces, but I suppose with 24/7 news you need to talk about something to fill in all that time.

The right has Fox news, for now, and talk radio..  The left has CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC all the late night shows, SNL, the NY Times LA Times, and most other newspapers, most of the FM stations, Time magazine, the preponderance of the press, 99% of the colleges and all the professors in them, the education department which is busily indoctrinating our youth with progress doctrine etc. etc. etc.  Please don't try and tell us that it is fair and equal because it isn't. 

12 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

The media merely reports on what is going on with Trump, Trump is the one who is making a lot of mistakes and miscalculations, all the media is doing is reporting on what he does and what people around him are saying about it. They don't even need to try to paint him in a bad light, he does that for them. I think his business background running private companies (all his public company adventures were total failures) ill prepared him for the presidency. He is even less qualified and experienced than Obama was when he was first elected, and yet I hear nothing from you right wing Trump supporters on his lack of experience and preparedness. Yet when Obama was first elected you would go on and on about how unqualified he was. The hypocrisy from the right is mind blowing!

 

The media's power is in what they decide to talk about or not talk about.  They decide that a 5% GDP growth is the worst economy in history and a 1% GDP growth is the new normal.  They decide not to tell the public that Obama's 5% unemployment is really 14% unemployment but Trump creating jobs was happening anyways.  The report a possible hack of the NKOR rockets was because of Obama thinking ahead.   I could go on but you get the point.

 

 

[Einsteinium]

7 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

The left has CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC all the late night shows, SNL, the NY Times LA Times, and most other newspapers, most of the FM stations, Time magazine, the preponderance of the press, 99% of the colleges and all the professors in them, the education department which is busily indoctrinating our youth with progress doctrine etc. etc. etc.  Please don't try and tell us that it is fair and equal because it isn't.

In my opinion besides MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN some of the time these are all very moderate news sources. The right has moved so far to the extreme that they see moderate media as being too far to the left.

Sad.

[Gromdor]

27 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

In my opinion besides MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN some of the time these are all very moderate news sources. The right has moved so far to the extreme that they see moderate media as being too far to the left.

Sad.

It seems like there is only "Fake News" and "Alt-Facts" media now.  Never mind trying to use BBC, RT, NHK, or the like as a news source.  It seems people these days are more likely to believe Youtube than any media outlet.

[Bama13]

1 hour ago, Einsteinium said:

In my opinion besides MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN some of the time these are all very moderate news sources. The right has moved so far to the extreme that they see moderate media as being too far to the left.

Sad.

The fact that you think MSNBC is very moderate says a lot about you.

[Einsteinium]

3 minutes ago, Bama13 said:

The fact that you think MSNBC is very moderate says a lot about you.

Did you not read what I said? I said 'BESIDES MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN (some of the time).

I clearly listed MSNBC as being one of the clearly left leaning ones.

[Bama13]

Just now, Einsteinium said:

Did you not read what I said? I said 'BESIDES MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN (some of the time).

I clearly listed MSNBC as being one of the clearly left leaning ones.

Damn reading comprehension. Somehow missed the word "besides". I apologize for my poor reading of your post.

[The Silver Thong]

1 hour ago, Einsteinium said:

In my opinion besides MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, and CNN some of the time these are all very moderate news sources. The right has moved so far to the extreme that they see moderate media as being too far to the left.

Sad.

This is a confusing post

 

 

[Einsteinium]

1 minute ago, The Silver Thong said:

This is a confusing post

 

 

Yes I realize now that the way I wrote that was very confusing. Sorry about that.

 

Not as confusing as the current White House administration though

[The Silver Thong]

1 minute ago, Einsteinium said:

Yes I realize now that the way I wrote that was very confusing. Sorry about that.

 

Not as confusing as the current White House administration though

I can`t remember a time it was not confusing lol

However from the bit of looking I did. I found that what Trump spoke to Russia about was that is so scary, is how to prevent plane hijackings. However I could be wrong, im not in the CIA.

[WoIverine]

7 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

Yes I realize now that the way I wrote that was very confusing. Sorry about that.

 

Not as confusing as the current White House administration though

Fast, Furious, there. Talk about confusing.

[The Silver Thong]

1 minute ago, WoIverine said:

Fast, Furious, there. Talk about confusing.

Now that`s a whole new thing, well not new but. The US giving weapons to the Mexican mafia under Obama is a bit of a mess.

[Vorg]

Intel officials scoff at hype over Trump’s reported sharing of information with Russians

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/17/donald-trumps-intelligence-sharing-with-russians-o/

“First of all, it was the Obama administration that started the policy of intelligence-sharing with the Russians about the specific problem of ISIS in Syria, and there was no secret that such sharing was going on,” said the official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. “Second, the president can say whatever he wants because he’s the president — assuming he said something sensitive, that’s entirely up to his judgment.”

Another former high-level intelligence official said social media and television news hype spawned by an article that The Washington Post published Monday smacks of hypocrisy, given the relative lack of public outcry over documented intelligence gaffes under the previous administration.

Imagine that.

 

 

And a poll from that website

Poll: Is Trump the victim of 'greatest witch hunt' in history of U.S. politics?

• Yes
• No
• Not sure

• 1103 (76%)
• 327 (22%)
• 25 (2%)

 

Edited May 18, 2017 by South Alabam

[Tatetopa]

14 hours ago, Lilly said:

We will become a Socialist one party state IMO. If this happens we might as well just tear up the Constitution because it will no longer be the law of the land. God help us all if this happens.

I still believe we don't have to go there.  There are still too many good people that may not be too active in politics right now, but I gotta think there is a last straw for many that will bring them into action.  Too naive?

[Frank Merton]

Read the comments here -- anyone who disagrees with these Trump types is a "vile liar."  Do you really think they can be brought to their senses?

Socialism however is not in the cards.  A mixed economy of some government operation and mostly private enterprise seems to work best and is becoming more widespread, even in dictatorships.

[Lilly]

7 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Read the comments here -- anyone who disagrees with these Trump types is a "vile liar."  Do you really think they can be brought to their senses?

 

I've heard plenty of lies coming from both side of the aisle (both right and left). However, The Constitution spells out our laws pretty clearly and when I see something that clearly is not valid under our system of government I will point it out...no name calling, no crude language. Everyone certainly has a right to their own opinion but some things simply *are* and that's that.

[Merc14]

7 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Read the comments here -- anyone who disagrees with these Trump types is a "vile liar."  Do you really think they can be brought to their senses?

Socialism however is not in the cards.  A mixed economy of some government operation and mostly private enterprise seems to work best and is becoming more widespread, even in dictatorships.

When you outright lie you will be called on it Frank, but the solution is simple, stop lying and back up your vile claims with facts/links.  If you are accused of lying but are telling the truth, prove your claim, something you have never done, rather than skulk away and whine about "Trump types".