Explosions in Manchester

[Sweetpumper]

Keep lettin' 'em in, dumbasses.

[quillius]

Just now, seeder said:

 

glad you had the balls to say it...

Live OUR WAY...of eff-off and live someplace else

as I said before, plenty of innocent people will be 'mistreated' p' off' etc etc...but our children will be safe...no brainer for me.

 

 

[hetrodoxly]

6 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

When we stop using drones to kill families at weddings this will stop happening.

When we care about their children as much as we care for ours, this will stop happening.

When we quit killing their kids for economic dominance (profit driven motive or put plainly greed) this will stop happening.

This will stop happening when we stop letting it happen to their children, but in my view those are my children too.

The site won't let me write what i think of you. 

Edited May 23, 2017 by hetrodoxly

[quillius]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

that is Islamophobic lol, but yes that would be a start.

funny thing is do not have a problem with any religion, race or creed. 

fed up of discussing why this is happening whether its the west that started it, or if it is the religion etc etc

 

what we do need is a solution (no matter how harsh) that keeps OUR children safe.....

[TomasaurusREKT]

6 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

When we stop using drones to kill families at weddings this will stop happening.

When we care about their children as much as we care for ours, this will stop happening.

When we quit killing their kids for economic dominance (profit driven motive or put plainly greed) this will stop happening.

This will stop happening when we stop letting it happen to their children, but in my view those are my children too.

I can't even reply to this how I want to without being banned...

But at least you chose a fitting name for your profile. Without the anonamitity of the internet to post your garbage you you wouldn't even have that.

[F3SS]

2 hours ago, quillius said:

Another poster mentioned those on watchlist being brought in for questioning..... why bother? throw them out of the country...

That was me and I don't entirely disagree. I'm just not sure that's a reality that will happen but you're right. We all know what the problem is. It's increasingly obvious that religion will never have its social uprising like their own civil rights movement. They won't deal with and the only social uprising is more of them committed to terrorism or empathizing with it. 

[quillius]

2 minutes ago, F3SS said:

That was me and I don't entirely disagree. I'm just not sure that's a reality that will happen but you're right. We all know what the problem is. It's increasingly obvious that religion will never have its social uprising like their own civil rights movement. They won't deal with and the only social uprising is more of them committed to terrorism or empathizing with it. 

agreed. 

(to confirm- I wasn't suggesting what you said was wrong, I just wanted to take it a step further...actually a few steps further but that may be over the top)

[hetrodoxly]

The murderer was a devout Muslim who believed he was on his way to an pornographic Islamic heaven with all his carnal desires sated for eternity.

[Astra.]

The whole objective with these vile sub-humans is to kill and maim as many innocent people as they can. Whether it be a bomb used in a backpack, steering large trucks into crowds, or detonating explosives that are tied to their own bodies. As long as there are crowds of people together, who are simply going about their business, or having fun at a concert, like these very young people were... we will continue to be soft targets to this damnable evil.

Depending on the circumstances of where large crowds of people congregate, such as concerts, large sporting events, bustling city streets, or busy malls...etc...I think there is only so much that security can do, to prevent this from continuing to happen for those who are determined to cause mayhem, fear, chaos and division for our Western culture and lifestyle. 

Thoughts and sympathy go out to the innocent victims, their families, and the people of Manchester.

[+susieice]

7 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

When we stop using drones to kill families at weddings this will stop happening.

When we care about their children as much as we care for ours, this will stop happening.

When we quit killing their kids for economic dominance (profit driven motive or put plainly greed) this will stop happening.

This will stop happening when we stop letting it happen to their children, but in my view those are my children too.

I beg to remind you. When we drop bombs, all precautions are taken to avoid civilian casualties. And, when we drop bombs, it's on strategic military targets. Not Mosques or public venues. This was a deliberate attack on a concert full of young people with no value at all other than to create fear and kill. A cowardly act that needs to be addressed swiftly.

I thought last night ISIS would eventually claim responsibility. US news is saying this was not a lone wolf attack. They say this couldn't have been done by just one person.

I was hoping all the parents and their children had been reunited by now. It doesn't sound like they are. Hoping they will be soon.

[skliss]

My heartfelt sympathies and prayers go out to our "cousins across the pond" during this tragic time. 

Deliberately targeting children, the most defenseless of us all, is an evil act of cowardice that cannot be tolerated. My heart was breaking for these parents who have yet to be united with their missing children.  

[+and-then]

16 minutes ago, susieice said:

I was hoping all the parents and their children had been reunited by now. It doesn't sound like they are. Hoping they will be soon.

I can't even begin to imagine the heartache and fear of those parents that still don't know for sure.  I'd be losing my mind.  This whole situation is causing me stress. MY little girl (she's 22 but she'll ALWAYS be my little girl) is headed to Rome for a 6-week internship in an engineering firm, THEN two weeks of backpacking through friendly little destinations like Amsterdam, Munich, and Paris.  I feel sick at heart.

[Dark_Grey]

50,000 radical Islamist manuals were downloaded by UK IP addresses in 2016.

Hundreds of legal Mosques raided in France contained extremist literature and weapons, some military grade.

Women's marches in the US are headlined by murderous, pro-Sharia Muslim women as they try to normalize their backwards lifestyle.

Immams in Canada are openly calling for the death of Jews while Muslim politicians are trying to make criticism of Islam Federally illegal.
 

Radical Islam has already infiltrated Western society. They are taking full advantage of our "politically correct" climate, as now they can be assured that even in the face of a blatant Islamic terrorist attacks we would rather blame ourselves than fight back. "Keep calm and carry on" was the typical British mantra after a radical Muslim killed guards and pedestrians near the Parliament building. A month later and it's literally blowing up in their faces. Simply  "carrying on" is clearly not an effective strategy. France is rotting internally because of this spirit of surrender, I pray the rest of us don't make that same mistake.   

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, kartikg said:

News from outlets can be paid news or news twisted to meet their agenda and moreover there is less news and more their opinion shown as news. 

Yes, and there are many descriptions for this such as lies, propaganda, slanted views, etc. Their stories aren't 'fake news', however. Fake news is something entirely different. And this would be common knowledge if Trump hadn't latched onto the term in a desperate attempt to discredit any negative story about him.

[quillius]

1 minute ago, Dark_Grey said:

50,000 radical Islamist manuals were downloaded by UK IP addresses in 2016.

Hundreds of legal Mosques raided in France contained extremist literature and weapons, some military grade.

Women's marches in the US are headlined by murderous, pro-Sharia Muslim women as they try to normalize their backwards lifestyle.

Immams in Canada are openly calling for the death of Jews while Muslim politicians are trying to make criticism of Islam Federally illegal.
 

Radical Islam has already infiltrated Western society. They are taking full advantage of our "politically correct" climate, as now they can be assured that even in the face of a blatant Islamic terrorist attacks we would rather blame ourselves than fight back. "Keep calm and carry on" was the typical British mantra after a radical Muslim killed guards and pedestrians near the Parliament building. A month later and it's literally blowing up in their faces. Simply  "carrying on" is clearly not an effective strategy. France is rotting internally because of this spirit of surrender, I pray the rest of us don't make that same mistake.   

its mind blowing at times!!

[aztek]

Just now, susieice said:

I beg to remind you. When we drop bombs, all precautions are taken to avoid civilian casualties. And, when we drop bombs, it's on strategic military targets. Not Mosques or public venues.

not quite,.

yes we do take some precautions, however we still kill civilians thousands of them,  they could not care less what precaution we take when they still get killed. i would not either.

there is no such thing as strategic military targets there, we are not fighting organised army,  isis, al qaida, taliban..etc are not military, they are guerrilla fighters, fighting from civilian areas which we bomb, shell with artillery, and shoot up during raids. they use civilians as shield and we kill them all, civilians and fighters.

so i can somewhat understand why they want revenge, but i can't understand politicians who let them come and get that revenge.

you do not exterminate prairie dogs to let them flee and live on your farm,

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by aztek

[WoIverine]

31 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

50,000 radical Islamist manuals were downloaded by UK IP addresses in 2016.

Hundreds of legal Mosques raided in France contained extremist literature and weapons, some military grade.

Women's marches in the US are headlined by murderous, pro-Sharia Muslim women as they try to normalize their backwards lifestyle.

Immams in Canada are openly calling for the death of Jews while Muslim politicians are trying to make criticism of Islam Federally illegal.
 

Radical Islam has already infiltrated Western society. They are taking full advantage of our "politically correct" climate, as now they can be assured that even in the face of a blatant Islamic terrorist attacks we would rather blame ourselves than fight back. "Keep calm and carry on" was the typical British mantra after a radical Muslim killed guards and pedestrians near the Parliament building. A month later and it's literally blowing up in their faces. Simply  "carrying on" is clearly not an effective strategy. France is rotting internally because of this spirit of surrender, I pray the rest of us don't make that same mistake.   

Common sense has gone right out the window. Until the "politically correct" climate ends, expect more.

Edited May 23, 2017 by WoIverine

[seeder]

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BREAKING NEWS: Manchester concert suicide bomber is named as reports claim he was known to police and British

 

*snip*

Edited May 23, 2017 by Saru
Link removed due to graphic content

[kartikg]

1 hour ago, seeder said:

 

glad yhad the balls to say it, ...

Live OUR WAY...or eff-off and live someplace else

 

 

 

Trump said that before elections and today he said the same, he called them evil losers and there was no bs talk about how peaceful integrated society is etc. 

[+susieice]

10 minutes ago, aztek said:

not quite,.

yes we do take some precautions, however we still kill civilians thousands of them,  they could not care less what precaution we take when they still get killed. i would not either.

there is no such thing as strategic military targets there, we are not fighting organised army,  isis, al qaida, taliban..etc are not military, they are guerrilla fighters, fighting from civilian areas which we bomb, shell with artillery, and shoot up during raids. they use civilians as shield and we kill them all, civilians and fighters.

so i can somewhat understand why they want revenge, but i can't understand politicians who let them come and get that revenge.

you do not exterminate prairie dogs to let them flee and live on your farm,

 

What? We bomb the area where ISIS and their kind store their weapons and where their leaders hide. Cowards always hide behind civilians. We try not to kill them with more precision bombings. We don't bomb cities or market places. They do that themselves. On 9/11, a rare few attacked the Pentagon. Why don't they man up and try that again instead of going after the Super Bowl. 

[quillius]

13 minutes ago, aztek said:

not quite,.

yes we do take some precautions, however we still kill civilians thousands of them,  they could not care less what precaution we take when they still get killed. i would not either.

there is no such thing as strategic military targets there, we are not fighting organised army,  isis, al qaida, taliban..etc are not military, they are guerrilla fighters, fighting from civilian areas which we bomb, shell with artillery, and shoot up during raids. they use civilians as shield and we kill them all, civilians and fighters.

so i can somewhat understand why they want revenge, but i can't understand politicians who let them come and get that revenge.

you do not exterminate prairie dogs to let them flee and live on your farm,

 

but the civilians are not the intended target! 

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Instead of saying that would excuse this or that historical figure we have to deal with the way the world really is. If we bomb some guys house in the Middle East killing his wife and children then thats potentially a new Jihadist. Instead of having little pops at targets from the air (which create new Jihadists) we need to go in and get the job done or back off.

As it is we are engaged in a two way conflict of attrition instead of going for the decisive strategic victory.

I agree that half-measures are never going to bring victory but an all-out assault by a massed military force against an objective where these scum are entrenched - like Raqqa or Mosul will lead to as many or more civilian casualties simply due to their intentional use of human shields.  It seems to me that those who make excuses for these animals are either extremely naive or they don't care if the west ever prevails in this fight.

Your point about "creating new jihadis" may be true but have you ever considered the opposite truth?  I mean, how many of the parents or spouses that became sundered forever from their loved one's last night will go on to seek vengeance?  The numbers must be remarkably low because we never hear of it happening at all.  It's about morals and mindset.  Polling from Islamic countries tends to show that the populations support the jihadis.  Maybe si, maybe no.  Whether they do or not, they are incapable or unwilling to stand against them in unison and fight them.  They seem willing to leave that to us and then they'll continue their lives with whichever group is victorious.  When I was growing up we had a name for people like that and it wasn't kind.  

In the coming days, it will be instructive to see the government's reaction as well as the reactions of the average Brit.  Something like this could be the catalyst for a revolt and an upheaval against Muslims that have harmed no one.  I sincerely pray that it doesn't happen.  OTOH, I hope the government begins taking a strong stand against these neighborhoods and small communities that are less than welcoming to non-Muslims.  A message should be sent beginning NOW, that isolation and the teaching of hatred are unacceptable and those who engage in it will be removed from the country or imprisoned away from non-Muslims.  I have referenced this book several times but it's worth mentioning again.  Tony Blankley (now deceased) wrote THE WEST'S LAST CHANCE, back in 2005.  He recounts the extreme measures we had to take during WWII to secure the homeland.  Civil libertarians would stroke out and drop dead over what they did today but it was necessary to fight the evil in Europe at the time.  I don't advocate for allowing our governments to remove the rights of citizens indefinitely but I am open to discussing what really needs to be done for us to prevail in this war for the survival of our way of life.  Unfortunately, I am coming to the conclusion that our governments are too corrupt and too tied to S.A. and the other gulf states for us to actually fight this scourge where and as it should be fought.  

I think that when we in the US begin to bury our dead children from such an atrocity, the politicians that have demanded open borders had better get small, get quiet, and get a clue that free people will only accept so much before they rise up and deal with the real problems that are causing their pain.  

[freetoroam]

8 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

When we stop using drones to kill families at weddings this will stop happening.

When we care about their children as much as we care for ours, this will stop happening.

When we quit killing their kids for economic dominance (profit driven motive or put plainly greed) this will stop happening.

This will stop happening when we stop letting it happen to their children, but in my view those are my children too.

Thousands of muslims have left their homes to come to WESTERN countries, NOT because the westerners bombed their homes or killed their children - but because the ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS did.

This mass murder was nothing to do with what happens in muslim countries, these bombers here do not care about the muslims in muslim countries, they only care about one thing, eradicating the western world and killing all "infidels" so that their barbaric islamic belief can rule, They want their own laws, their own way of life and are not prepared to live side by side with anyone who will not conform (that includes non radical muslims) and the danger now is these lunatics are born in the western country they want to do this in.

 

[Bella-Angelique]

There is a deadly virus and the people figure out it is carried by mosquitoes.

Now, do people try to wipe out all mosquitoes across the earth or should they target the specific type of mosquito that carries the virus?

The specific type of Islam that carries the virus of terrorism is named Wahhabi Islam. 

[freetoroam]

What angers me is it is said he could have been on the radar, as are hundreds of others, but the MOD said it is not possible to keep track of them all = KEEP TRACK? we can not keep waiting for another bomb attack before the MOD say "ah, there they are". As soon as someone has been identified as an  islamic fundamentalist, shut down their mosques and if they were welcomed here with opened arms, then reverse that and send them back to their countries and if the governments really want peace, then let then deal with them. If they were born here, as many have been - again shut down their mosques and investigate those who encouraged their radical beliefs....even their parents.

I am also getting pretty fed up with the "lone wolf / attacker" thing, it only takes one to carry the rucksack, but it took lots more to plan and build it.

This multicult / religious ideology will NEVER work when you have one side intent on not being part of it and we have them in our western world....and they are followers of islam.