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I'm going to have to switch off from this for now. It's too much and too close to home to disseminate it in the usual manner we do with these increasingly common terrorist attacks on UM:

Manchester attack: First victim named as Georgina Callander

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She went to college three miles from where I live, a college where many of my friends went, including my best friend of twenty years plus.

An eight year old local girl missing too:

8 year-old girl from Tarleton among missing after Manchester 'terror attack' at Manchester Arena

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For anyone else considering mentioning bombing campaigns in the Middle East, take a long hard look at those faces and tell me exactly what part they played in deciding the role of our government in Iraq, Syria, etc.

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1 hour ago, LV-426 said:

I'm just numb and almost too angry to type.

I live around thirty miles outside Manchester. I was in Manchester Arena for a show just a few years back with my dad. I've been there to watch gigs previously.

I'm sick of hearing all this b******t about "but we're bombing their children" blah, blah, blah.

Targetting a gig full of adolescent girls, some of whom were going to a concert for the first time in their lives, isn't about making some political point. It's about individuals, many who have been raised and educated locally, who've been indoctrinated from birth to put some imaginary being above everything else, including innocent children.

Sure, many Muslims find ways to compartmentalize their religion, and lead normal lives, but while Muslim populations continue to grow in Britain and we allow more and more Islamic schools, Mosques, Sharia support groups, etc. to brainwash kids, the worse these problems will get, until violence explodes on our streets.

We've already seen riots in areas such Oldham - part of Greater Manchester - in recent years, and a review I read a couple of years back said the tensions basically haven't improved. How do you think tensions will be after this? People are angry, and they are fed up of hearing empty words about "standing united" while lighting yet another set of candles for dead children.

I'm sorry. I wish I could light a candle too, and grieve with those who've lost loved ones, but I, like many others, are beginning to give in to hate, and I've never hurt anyone in my life. If someone as easygoing and peaceful as myself can give in to these emotions, then we have some very hard times ahead.

If the government was serious about changing the trend they could DO something.  Even simple steps could slow the madness.  Use undercover "plants" in mosques or even pass a law that demands live feed CCTV in every room of every mosque.  Include the same rule for churches.  Use an AI program that monitors for keywords or phrases related to jihad or terror.  This would take an Islamic scholar but they can be found outside the adherents of the religion.  When anyone of any age is seen advocating for violence or a system of laws above those of GB, arrest and try them for sedition or treason and remove them from circulation for decades.  Remove them from the general population in prisons and concentrate them in prisons shared only with other Muslims.  Begin daily patrols (like in Northern Ireland) into cities with predominately Muslim populations.  Not for the purpose of harming anyone or even threatening anyone but to make it clear that they live in - and in many cases are supported by the dole - of GB.  If they want to live under the sharia, find a new home.

Politicians who whore themselves for their votes should be publicly called out, daily, without ceasing, to remind the public of the cost to the nation that these politicians and their anti-British constituencies bring in blood and treasure.  NO group or religion should have sovereignty within the borders of a nation.  I read somewhere that over a thousand Brits had gone to train and fight in Syria and about 25%  had returned home so far.  WTH?  If they leave and are KNOWN to have fought then they should be traitors to Britain and given a choice of exile or imprisonment.  Allowing these young men to go out and become trained and battle-hardened and to return with those skills to spill blood in the streets at a time and place of their choosing is simply INSANE.  The western nations need to get their collectives heads out of their nether regions and realize we're at war or these animals might well be our overseers someday.

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another day...I find my body covered in goosebumps and once again the only two feelings are sadness and anger.

 

Have we run out of cheeks yet...or are we going to keep turning the other cheek???

extreme solution is needed..

I would rather 1 million Muslim's are treated (what would be perceived) with discrimination rather than my child be in even 1% of danger. if that is what it takes.

if there are 100 people in my house and i know one of them is a child killer....I would have no hesitation in removing all 100 people from my house..even though the other 99 will feel mistreated..so be it.

Another poster mentioned those on watchlist being brought in for questioning..... why bother? throw them out of the country...will there be innocent people caught up in this, well yes.....but they will be alive...unlike our children in Manchester

 

so so sad

 

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1 hour ago, LV-426 said:

I'm sick of hearing all this b******t about "but we're bombing their children" blah, blah, blah.

 

Aye, and anyway it's quite likely that the murderer was from Manchester and was therefore he was the one bombing "his" children .....

But regardless of what wars are happening, what religions exist, what others elsewhere do that is wrong, the fact remains that there will always be people who for whatever reason are depressed, angy, p*ssed off, suicidal ....  and there will always be groups with extreme political persuasion - be it Puritans, Red Brigade, IRA, Daesh or Animal Liberation Front - who will seek out such people (so easy now with the internet) and persuade them to join their cause and make their death count .....   And of course, one common political agenda is to fervent discord and hatred.

This will not stop until every single person on the planet is extremely happy and content, at all times.   The best we can do in the meantime is ensure we don't do what they want.  Don't hate people.  Don't hate anyone.  

 

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So-called Islamic State have now claimed responsibility.

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5 minutes ago, acute said:

So-called Islamic State have now claimed responsibility.

Here it is -

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BREAKINGIslamic State group 'claims the Manchester attack'

Posted at12:51

So-called Islamic State (IS) has claimed it was behind the attack. The statement was made via IS channels on the messaging app Telegram. The group frequently claims attacks in their aftermath.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-manchester-40007967

 

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2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

b******s.

that argument would excuse Stalin because the White Russians were pricks. 

That argument would excuse Hitler because he was gassed by the British in 1917.

that argument would excuse Kim Jong Un because the Americans invaded in the 50s.

**** that, the acts of the indivdual are always the choice of the individual. 

Instead of saying that would excuse this or that historical figure we have to deal with the way the world really is. If we bomb some guys house in the Middle East killing his wife and children then thats potentially a new Jihadist. Instead of having little pops at targets from the air (which create new Jihadists) we need to go in and get the job done or back off.

As it is we are engaged in a two way conflict of attrition instead of going for the decisive strategic victory.

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1 hour ago, seanjo said:

We are bombing them because of an Islamic attack on 9/11...Islam has been the aggressor since it's inception, the crusades were a reaction to Islamic aggression against the Byzantine Empire and Christian countries around the Med, only in France were Islamic invaders finally turned back.

The issue isn't whether we should be kicking terrorist **** over 9/11 but how we are going about it.

Instead of beating them this conflict has been going on for 16 years with no end in sight. Thats the problem. A job half done and us just having occasional pops at them from the air in Syria/Iraq. We need to get the job done. As things currently are we just keep feeding into their extremist ideology and creating a continuous stream of new terrorists.

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1 hour ago, keithisco said:

We do not yet know the motives for the attack-whilst highly reminiscent of other attacks it is by no means conclusive.

A woman acting strangely was twice reported to the security detail, and whilst they did observe her for a short period, they completely dismissed the second report.

It is now being reported as a male-but I think there is still too much contradictory information for any certainty of this.

Just now: the police say they believe they know the identity of the suspect.

It might mean more than one person which is possible because several explosions were reported by some people. I`ve heard that in addition to the main explosion nail bombs had been planted at the exits to catch fleeing people.

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I get the impression that this was a terrorist cell vs just being a lone wolf. Since only the bomber himself is dead that means the rest of the cell is still out there.

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44 minutes ago, aztek said:

Finally, someone on this forum references actual fake news instead of pointing to articles they don't like and calling 'fake news'.

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25 minutes ago, acute said:

So-called Islamic State have now claimed responsibility.

I hear they also claim responsibility for the asteroid that wiped out those pesky infidel dinosaurs. 

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The police have arrested a 23 year old man - first one they have got from a terrorist cell?

It turns out he was arrested last night at about 1pm on the street near the stadium. He had a backpack (they dont say if there was a bomb in it) but the police have confirmed they have carried out an explosion at his flat. This is a cell.

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4 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Finally, someone on this forum references actual fake news instead of pointing to articles they don't like and calling 'fake news'.

 

If you look at the fake news covered in the article....its mostly tweets....on Twitter....the kind of platform which is not to be taken seriously ever

Stick to BBC news.....not individual loonies on twitter who are keyboard warriors...who shoot from the hip, while letting their imagination and hatred fuel their posts...even the terrorists use twitter...so... know your enemy.... and their sources

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5 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

If you look at the fake news covered in the article....its mostly tweets....on Twitter....the kind of platform which is not to be taken seriously ever

Stick to BBC news.....not individual loonies on twitter who are keyboard warriors...who shoot from the hip, while letting their imagination and hatred fuel their posts...even the terrorists use twitter...so... know your enemy.... and their sources

That was exactly my point. News outlets, by definition, can't be 'fake news'. Fake news is defined as posts on forums or social media portrayed as real news.

So the next time someone points to a WP article or Trump looks to CNBC and they shout 'fake news', they are idiots who don't even know what fake news is.

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24 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

That was exactly my point. News outlets, by definition, can't be 'fake news'. Fake news is defined as posts on forums or social media portrayed as real news.

So the next time someone points to a WP article or Trump looks to CNBC and they shout 'fake news', they are idiots who don't even know what fake news is.

News from outlets can be paid news or news twisted to meet their agenda and moreover there is less news and more their opinion shown as news. 

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Manchester bombing: Security 'did not check bags' at arena

A mother who was at the Ariana Grande concert with her daughter has criticised security checks carried out as they entered the venue.

Dawn Waddy was at the Manchester Arena with her daughter Holly and a friend when the explosion took place and said there should have been more security staff in the arena.

She said: "We walked through the doors when we had our tickets and they scan your tickets and we wasn't even checked.

"They never checked bags at all, I never saw them check anybody's bags."

http://news.sky.com/story/manchester-bombing-woman-looked-very-suspicious-before-attack-10889847

 

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1 minute ago, Still Waters said:

 

 

and thats the problem StillWaters.  Having worked as 'security' at all kinds of venues for close to 20 years.....and with the British attitudes of morals and decency.... its seriously frowned upon to search females let alone kids. In fact, 'we'....ie: MALES.... could not, for obvious reasons...search any females....we could 'ask' to look in their bags....but that was about it. In the UK only a female security person.....can search another female... unless the situation is extreme...

And none of us would even think to search a kid...as searching a person involves patting a person down, feeling their pockets etc.....can you imagine the law suits for a grown male 'security worker'....to even touch a kid?  Man we'd be getting locked up for what could be construed as inappropriate touching

Even teachers cant rub sun lotion on a kids face or arms and shoulders....so must sit back and watch them get sunburnt or go to jail...

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following on from above...heres a Mums question online


 

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My almost 4 year old's preschool teachers just sent home a note telling us to make sure to slather our kids with sunscreen in the morning when we drop them off because teachers are not legally allowed to put sunscreen on students. When I asked, I was told that the same policy applies for camp this Summer.
Does anybody know if this is a 'touching' issue or an 'administration of medication' issue and if there is any way around it (like a permission form to fill out)? My son has pretty pale skin and I'm getting nervous about him getting sunburned on the school roof!

https://www.mamapedia.com/article/what-tick-s-the-deal-with-preschool-teachers-not-being-allowed-to-apply-sunscreen


 

 

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few years ago i was at an airshow at Jones beach, there was private security checking bags, and coolers, yet anyone could just walk around them few hundred feet away. people were bringing large coolers with food-beer, all they did was open the cooler, look, and close a second later, they were not patting anyone, and whoever had no bags they let go around the long line, basically if anyone wanted, nothing was stopping them from bringing anything, yet there was many of those security on the beach,  and even more DHS police, including snipers on the roof. but none of that would stop a determined person

i have a feeling they were not there to protect anyone, but to make it look like they did, in case something did happen, they got their a$$ covered. because there was no way anyone in a right mind think it was an effective way prevent anything.

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1 minute ago, WoIverine said:

Once again, a very unfortunate atrocity has occurred, what are the solutions?

Phase One:

 

Throw everyone on terrorist watchlist out of the country.

Take down every mosque in the UK.

 

 

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Just now, quillius said:

Phase One:

 

Throw everyone on terrorist watchlist out of the country.

Take down every mosque in the UK.

 

 

that is Islamophobic lol, but yes that would be a start.

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29 minutes ago, quillius said:

Phase One:

 

Throw everyone on terrorist watchlist out of the country.

Take down every mosque in the UK.

 

 

 

glad you had the balls to say it...

Live OUR WAY...or eff-off and live someplace else

 

 

 

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