+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #51 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I saw on Sky that 50 people have been taken to hospital, but that's some refrigerator that can cause a fire like that in what, 5 minutes? It couldn't have taken the fire department that long to get there. Saw no report on how fully engaged it was when they arrived on the scene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 14, 2017 Author #52 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Eldorado said: 30 people have been taken to hospitals. I hope that's it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #53 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eldorado said: 30 people have been taken to hospitals. I stand corrected El. Sky's website is also saying 30. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #54 Share Posted June 14, 2017 How could they know what started it before being able to go in and investigate? Witnesses or what? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 14, 2017 Author #55 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Camarel said: How could they know what started it before being able to go in and investigate? Witnesses or what? I was wondering that too. Unless there was an eye witness report maybe? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #56 Share Posted June 14, 2017 People are probably saying all kinds of things right now. The only person who could mention an appliance, I would think, would be the person in who's apartment the fire started. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #57 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) From the latest update on the Guardian page posted 4 minutes ago: Quote The brigade was called at 0054 and is still at the scene. Fire crews from North Kensington, Kensington, Hammersmith and Paddington and from surrounding fire stations are in attendance. The cause of the fire is not known at this stage. That's a statement from the Fire Brigade. Edited June 14, 2017 by Camarel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted June 14, 2017 #58 Share Posted June 14, 2017 London Fire Brigade at twitter. https://twitter.com/LondonFire 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #59 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Here's Sky News' website now. At 1:23, they mention the fire risk warnings. http://news.sky.com/story/live-hundred-of-firefighters-tackle-blaze-10915010 No refrigerator! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 14, 2017 #60 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know the age of the structure? What kinds of renovations were done? I've never heard of a refrigerator exploding and causing a fire. Especially one that seems to have spread so fast. I hope that the work crews that did the renovations aren't responsible for this tragedy. It seems there were many warnings and no action to correct the situation. Those who are injured should have legal recourse against the owners. If anyone dies, they should be held CRIMINALLY liable! Edited June 14, 2017 by and then 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #61 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, and then said: Does anyone know the age of the structure? What kinds of renovations were done? I've never heard of a refrigerator exploding and causing a fire. Especially one that seems to have spread so fast. I hope that the work crews that did the renovations aren't responsible for this tragedy. Wiki says it was completed in 1974. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #62 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, and then said: Does anyone know the age of the structure? What kinds of renovations were done? I've never heard of a refrigerator exploding and causing a fire. Especially one that seems to have spread so fast. I hope that the work crews that did the renovations aren't responsible for this tragedy. It was built in 1974. There's already a wiki page for the fire which mentions a similar fire in 2009 which apparently shocked firefighters at how fast it was spread. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #63 Share Posted June 14, 2017 That one was due to a fault in a television set apparently - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Lakanal_House_tower_block_fire 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #64 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) If you read the wiki link I posted above, it says some guys said it was a toaster that exploded. WTH? This was a concrete building? he cause of the fire has not yet been determined.[1] Multiple media outlets have reported it was possibly caused by an exploding appliance. A fourth-floor resident told Sky News that it was his neighbour's toaster that exploded around 1:00 a.m., and that they immediately began knocking on doors and trying to alert people. He said that within half an hour, the building was entirely engulfed in flames.[2] The Grenfellactiongroup posted numerous concerns on their blog concerning the major risk of fire FOX is reporting again that it started on the 26th floor? Edited June 14, 2017 by susieice 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #65 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, susieice said: If you read the wiki link I posted above, it says some guys said it was a toaster that exploded. WTH? This was a concrete building? Missed that. That sounds pretty plausible to me if it did actually come from someone in the building; apparently the person started knocking on doors to warn people. The source for that takes you to this live Sky News stream on Youtube right now - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted June 14, 2017 #66 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Where there no sprinklers or alarms? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 14, 2017 #67 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Kismit said: Where there no sprinklers or alarms? I saw or heard no mention of any. I'm just totally baffled that a small appliance could start a fire of this magnitude. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted June 14, 2017 #68 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Quote Again all I know if it was a local fire in a room, maintenance would have been there on the spot it seems this person in the room had the ideology of being suicidal , would `nt just let it go and take over the building.,which brings me to a terrorism ideology Edited June 14, 2017 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 14, 2017 #69 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, susieice said: OMG. How can a fire spread that quickly? Those poor people didn't have much of a chance to realize what was going on before the fire was fully engaged. If those reports I found are true, it was known there was a serious danger of fire in this building. I don't want to put a lot of credit into them because it really isn't fair to report this and assume things before an actual cause is determined. That may take a couple days, or weeks. Those kinds of places, I'm afraid could have been designed to encourage fires to spread as quickly as possible. You can see how it went right up the stairwells, which literally just act as smokestacks once an updraught gets going. Safety is entirely dependent on the security of fire doors , fire detectors and sprinklers etc, and with management of these places always at arms length (there's always some kind of contractor or Housing Association or whatever thyat's supposedly responsible for maintenance and upkeep, rather than the city authority directly) supervision that this is all done properly (or even done at all) can be rather arm's length too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 14, 2017 Author #70 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Again all I know if it was a local fire in a room, maintenance would have been there on the spot it seems this person in the room had the ideology of being suicidal , would just let it go and take over the building.,which being me to a terrorism ideology You know this, really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 14, 2017 #71 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, susieice said: FOX is now reporting on it and they said they were told the fire started on the 26th floor and moved down. Fire goes up usually. Fox, I suspect, have it back to front as they always do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 14, 2017 #72 Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 hours ago, F3SS said: How does a fire spread like that these days? I can't help but think arson. I've seen a number of fires, mostly from kitchens, in apartment buildings and while they do damage they typically don't spread too far before firefighters get there. Smoke and water does most of the collateral damage. A building like that I would assume to be mostly concrete and plaster. Essentially fire proof. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll await details. An old building, perhaps questionably maintained, full of no doubt highly inflammable furnishings etc? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted June 14, 2017 #73 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) With all this terrorism going on in the UK ,one wonders want in the hell is going on:( my heart is breaking to see so many lost:( Edited June 14, 2017 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted June 14, 2017 #74 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Awful news - my thoughts are with the people there and hoping for the best possible outcome. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarel Posted June 14, 2017 #75 Share Posted June 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Except the person who reported it started from a toaster said the person whose apartment it started in was banging on his neighbours doors warning them. Kind blows a whole in your theory, but yeah terrorists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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