Trump son met Russian who promised damaging

[Einsteinium]

1 minute ago, Dark_Grey said:

What do they prove? The released emails are a thread between Trump Jr and the Trump campaign manager setting up a meeting between Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. They briefly discuss some details of the upcoming engagement and that's it. Goldstone (campaign manager,) was told by the Russian Crown Prosecutor that they have incriminating evidence against Hillary Clinton they would be willing to share.

I ****en hate playing tit-for-tat all the time but it is in context. Give this a read and tell me how it's different than the Trump Jr. story.

Flashback: Hillary Allies Worked With Ukraine Government During Elections

Welcome to American politics. A lot of politicians are great with shovels cause all they do is dig for dirt.

What is different here is that the Russian government illegally hacked the DNC to obtain the Podesta emails which were then used to hurt the Hillary campaign. If you can show that the Ukranian govt. illegally hacked the RNC to find 'dirt' on Paul Manafort them I am all ears. Until then these 2 situations are just not comparable.

You can argue that Trump Jr. did not know about the hack or anything, but the timeline of events is highly suspicious. Just look at when the emails were released by wikileaks and when this meeting took place. It stinks to high heaven.

[Helen of Annoy]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

Indeed. Both Joseph Geobbels and Vyacheslav Molotov would have been proud !

Of MAGA slogan? Certainly. So... futurist.  And videos? Aw, if only they had them... Rallies? Why, yes... it all fits. Well noticed. 

[RavenHawk]

17 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

There is nothing about the Trump administration that resembles American Exceptionalism.

Trump is the ultimate expression of American Exceptionalism.  You’ve just been worn down by the social engineering of Obama and the Progs.  You don’t know any better.

 

More like pettiness, lying, nepotism, grandstanding, showboating, distracting, lack of substance, lack of integrity, lack of discipline, totally out of touch, chaotic, disappointing, shameful, disgraceful, lunacy.

Jealous much?

 

Now THOSE are words that define this administration. Exceptional only in how disappointing and disgraceful it is.

It’s the MSM and DNC that is disappointing and disgraceful.  They’ve thrown dignity out the window.

[ExpandMyMind]

6 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

What is different here is that the Russian government illegally hacked the DNC to obtain the Podesta emails which were then used to hurt the Hillary campaign. If you can show that the Ukranian govt. illegally hacked the RNC to find 'dirt' on Paul Manafort them I am all ears. Until then these 2 situations are just not comparable.

You can argue that Trump Jr. did not know about the hack or anything, but the timeline of events is highly suspicious. Just look at when the emails were released by wikileaks and when this meeting took place. It stinks to high heaven.

No mate, if Hillary was receiving any help from foreigners to help her campaign in any way then she's as guilty as Trump Jr. In fact, if it has been shown that she paid for any of it, then the case for her with regards to campaign donations is currently stronger than the case for Jr regarding the same law. 

But really that should have its own thread.

I think Meuller will get to the bottom of all of this regarding the timeline. But it seems very likely that this was the exact meeting that produced those emails.

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[Einsteinium]

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump is the ultimate expression of American Exceptionalism.

Not to me. To me the ultimate expression of American Exceptionalism belongs to true innovators. Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, etc.

Trump has never been an innovator, he is just a strong arm real estate businessman which to me is not all that impressive or exceptional. Wealth to me is not an indication of how exceptional you are. It matters how you earned your wealth, it matters who you chose to step on to get there, your integrity and honesty matters.

[Einsteinium]

3 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

No mate, if Hillary was receiving any help from foreigners to help her campaign in any way then she's as guilty as Trump Jr. In fact, if it has been shown that she paid for any of it, then the case for her with regards to campaign donations is currently stronger than the case for Jr regarding the same law. 

But really that should have its own thread.

I think Meuller will get to the bottom of all of this regarding the timeline. But it seems very likely that this was the exact meeting that produced those emails.

I agree with you if she paid for any foreign help, or received any illegally obtained things from foreigners to help her then yes I agree. I have never said that Hillary should not be investigated as well. The 2016 campaign was a very dirty and underhanded campaign. Anything illegally done by either side should be prosecuted if for no other reason than to deter any future American politicians from trying any of the same dirty tricks.

[Myles]

46 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Well, one of the posters in this thread (was it you?) stated that Hillary sold nuclear materials to terrorists. If that's not an exaggerated accusation then I don't know what is.

Not sure about the terrorist part, but she's had some questionable and possibly illegal dealings. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

 

 

[ExpandMyMind]

Trump, literally hours after the confirmation of the meeting:

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I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week, and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.

Then the meeting takes place, after which Trump ramps up the 33,000 emails talk. 5 days after that, the emails are leaked. Jr's claim that the meetings were 'a big nothing' is looking pretty weak-sauce right about now and it's looking likely that this meeting was in fact the source of the emails. You have to ask yourself, what was offered in return? Could it have been a promise to end the Russian sanctions, which Trump tried to do?

I think Meuller should be pretty close to the truth by now.

[RavenHawk]

4 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

Not to me. To me the ultimate expression of American Exceptionalism belongs to true innovators. Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, etc.

Trump has never been an innovator, he is just a strong arm real estate businessman which to me is not all that impressive or exceptional. Wealth to me is not an indication of how exceptional you are. It matters how you earned your wealth, it matters who you chose to step on to get there, your integrity and honesty matters.

Never said that Trump was the only example.  Probably a better example are the entrepreneurs that start small new businesses.  Innovation is but a part of the equation.  Wealth generation is another.  That is the whole point of business and the Invisible Hand.  That’s what makes America Great.

 

You were doing ok until you slipped up.  “It matters who you chose to step on to get there”.  That’s equal outcome instead of equal opportunity.  Business can be cutthroat and usually you have one winner.  The loser took on the challenge knowing the risks.  I.e., what you view as being stepped on is competition.  And it keeps the system healthy so that the government doesn’t have to step in.

[ExpandMyMind]

5 minutes ago, Myles said:

Not sure about the terrorist part, but she's had some questionable and possibly illegal dealings. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

 

 

Yeah, the Clintons most likely should be in prison.

[RoofGardener]

Hmmm.. it would make an interesting movie. 

The ShawshankClintonBushObamaClinton Redemption ?

 

[Sweetpumper]

Consumed: CNN New Day Spends 93% of Airtime on Russia

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By Alex Xenos | July 12, 2017 3:07 PM EDT

As CNN continues their crusade to bring down the Trump presidency, New Day spent 93 percent of their three-hour program Wednesday covering Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign's supposed collusion with Russia. The other seven percent was spent on baseball (~1.5%) and negative coverage of the GOP's healthcare bill (~5.5%).

 

No one is arguing that this revelation should not be covered, but when you spend 93 percent of your time talking about it, it shows an obsession, not an objective news judgment. The same liberal media spent virtually no time seriously covering the supposed collusion between Bill Clinton and the Red Chinese in Clinton's '96 re-election bid. They ignored the potentially corrupt behavior by the Clinton Foundation for years. Yet, when there is even a sniff of scandal surrounding a Republican, they pounce with hysterical outrage.

Here is the actual time allocation, after commercials are excluded:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/alex-xenos/2017/07/12/consumed-cnn-new-day-spends-93-airtime-russia

[CrimsonKing]

17 minutes ago, Einsteinium said:

Anything illegally done by either side should be prosecuted if for no other reason than to deter any future American politicians from trying any of the same dirty tricks.

I agree,but we should have been upset about this for the past 30+ years...those are the only ones i can think of personally but i'm sure we could go further back...

The 2 party system really started showing its major cracks after the 2000 election and now has become a major meltdown!

I would like every major player in Washington investigated if this is what WE AMERICANS want....i would say MAYBE just MAYBE 5 outta every 100 might not walk out in cuffs if they had to follow the rule of law like average citizens do!

The biggest "dirty trick" and/or con game going right now is left vs right or us vs them...doesn't take RUSSIANS to divide and ruin our country,our own have done an exceptional job all by themselves 

[ExpandMyMind]

5 minutes ago, Sweetpumper said:

Consumed: CNN New Day Spends 93% of Airtime on Russia

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By Alex Xenos | July 12, 2017 3:07 PM EDT

As CNN continues their crusade to bring down the Trump presidency, New Day spent 93 percent of their three-hour program Wednesday covering Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign's supposed collusion with Russia. The other seven percent was spent on baseball (~1.5%) and negative coverage of the GOP's healthcare bill (~5.5%).

 

No one is arguing that this revelation should not be covered, but when you spend 93 percent of your time talking about it, it shows an obsession, not an objective news judgment. The same liberal media spent virtually no time seriously covering the supposed collusion between Bill Clinton and the Red Chinese in Clinton's '96 re-election bid. They ignored the potentially corrupt behavior by the Clinton Foundation for years. Yet, when there is even a sniff of scandal surrounding a Republican, they pounce with hysterical outrage.

Here is the actual time allocation, after commercials are excluded:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/alex-xenos/2017/07/12/consumed-cnn-new-day-spends-93-airtime-russia

Trumpers spend an entire year completely denying any contact with Russians, never mind collusion, and when collusion at the highest levels of government is shown to be true by Trump Jr himself, it's not supposed to be the biggest story of the year and one of the biggest stories ever? I hate CNN but you can't really fault them for their 93% reporting on this.

[bee]

16 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Trumpers spend an entire year completely denying any contact with Russians, never mind collusion, and when collusion at the highest levels of government is shown to be true by Trump Jr himself, it's not supposed to be the biggest story of the year and one of the biggest stories ever? I hate CNN but you can't really fault them for their 93% reporting on this.

 

93% of airtime on undeniable twaddle -- 

poor CNN 'journalists' trapped in the swirling swamp of toxic perception management -

 

[RavenHawk]

17 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Trumpers spend an entire year completely denying any contact with Russians, never mind collusion, and when collusion at the highest levels of government is shown to be true by Trump Jr himself, it's not supposed to be the biggest story of the year and one of the biggest stories ever? I hate CNN but you can't really fault them for their 93% reporting on this.

Trump Jr talking to a Russian is not collusion at the highest levels.  Please just stop embarrassing yourself.  And it is just disingenuous with the obvious crimes that Hilary and the previous Administration has done.  Do you people have no shame?

[Agent0range]

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump Jr talking to a Russian is not collusion at the highest levels.  Please just stop embarrassing yourself.  And it is just disingenuous with the obvious crimes that Hilary and the previous Administration has done.  Do you people have no shame?

Do you people have no brains?  He met with a lawyer that was said to be a part of the Russian government, to continue the Russian government support of Trump, to receive highly sensitive information to have an effect on the outcome of an election.  How is that NOT collusion at the highest level?  Oh, but wait, nothing happened at the meeting.  How do we know that?  Because the same campaign that denied these meetings ever happened for an entire year, and left it off of the security clearance form, told us nothing happened at the meeting.  Oh, but Trump didn't know about the meeting, so it's ok, right?  Weird that 4 days after the emails, and 2 days before the meeting, Trump holds a press conference.  Holds a press conference TO ANNOUNCE A PRESS CONFERENCE to occur 2 days after the meeting in which he will spill some NEW damaging "bombshells" about Hillary Clinton.  That press conference never actually took place, by the way.  

[aztek]

lmao, they just keep swallowing the bait, 

[Sweetpumper]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

lmao, they just keep swallowing the bait, 

It's like tossing flakes into a coi pond.

[RavenHawk]

3 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Do you people have no brains?  He met with a lawyer that was said to be a part of the Russian government, to continue the Russian government support of Trump, to receive highly sensitive information to have an effect on the outcome of an election.  How is that NOT collusion at the highest level?  Oh, but wait, nothing happened at the meeting.  How do we know that?  Because the same campaign that denied these meetings ever happened for an entire year, and left it off of the security clearance form, told us nothing happened at the meeting.  Oh, but Trump didn't know about the meeting, so it's ok, right?  Weird that 4 days after the emails, and 2 days before the meeting, Trump holds a press conference.  Holds a press conference TO ANNOUNCE A PRESS CONFERENCE to occur 2 days after the meeting in which he will spill some NEW damaging "bombshells" about Hillary Clinton.  That press conference never actually took place, by the way.  

Geez…do you people ever step back and listen to the garbage you espouse?  A Russian whose entry into this country was questionable and allowed by the Obama Administration who is said to be a rep of the Russian government as introduced by a promoter and it turns out to be nothing?  The bottom line is that she was not a representative of the Russian government.  What kind of highly sensitive information about Trump has been leaked to Hilary and/or the public whether it was true or not?  Did the DNC ever decline to use any of it?  I would imagine they were sitting under their rock saying “I love it”.  What’s really sad is that you people are serious.  Are you sure you want to go down this path?

[Agent0range]

But, but, Obama!  But, But, Hillary!  *snip*

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[Helen of Annoy]

2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Geez…do you people ever step back and listen to the garbage you espouse?  A Russian whose entry into this country was questionable and allowed by the Obama Administration who is said to be a rep of the Russian government as introduced by a promoter and it turns out to be nothing?  The bottom line is that she was not a representative of the Russian government.  What kind of highly sensitive information about Trump has been leaked to Hilary and/or the public whether it was true or not?  Did the DNC ever decline to use any of it?  I would imagine they were sitting under their rock saying “I love it”.  What’s really sad is that you people are serious.  Are you sure you want to go down this path?

So, Trump Junior met Russian messenger, a foreigner, who claimed ties to the Russian government, in hope his father's campaign will be given more of classic Russian kompromat against Clinton. 

All of the above Junior released himself. 

You can wiggle and derail all you want.  

[RavenHawk]

13 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

But, but, Obama!  But, But, Hillary!  *snip*

Just as I thought.  Donald Jr is just a distraction from Hilary, Lynch, and Comey.

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[Agent0range]

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Just as I thought.  Donald Jr is just a distraction from Hilary, Lynch, and Comey.

 

LOL, yup.  He released his own damning emails to serve as a distraction.  Great theory there. *snip*

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[RavenHawk]

21 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So, Trump Junior met Russian messenger, a foreigner, who claimed ties to the Russian government, in hope his father's campaign will be given more of classic Russian kompromat against Clinton. 

All of the above Junior released himself. 

You can wiggle and derail all you want.  

*snip*  What wiggle or derail?  Someone secured an introduction to talk to Jr.  Who knows if it was from Russia or the DNC or whatever??  Who wouldn’t be curious if that person claimed to have dirt on Hilary?

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