Trump son met Russian who promised damaging

[preacherman76]

And then there is this. lol

 

[ExpandMyMind]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Wait you mean Trump talked to his son??? To repel the witch hunt??? OMG the horror.

We have noticed your absents from what looks like might turn into the crime of the century by the head of the DNC, and her "IT" guy. With all your new found concern over this countries politics, I'm confused. How can that be? If I didn't know better I'd say you don't really care about this government at all. You just care about the witch hunt.

I don't know the thread you're talking about, but I'll bet it doesn't have a bunch of people denying it happened like this one.

[preacherman76]

16 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

I don't know the thread you're talking about, but I'll bet it doesn't have a bunch of people denying it happened like this one.

It doesn't have any of the left wingers in it. You guys are avoiding it like the plague.

[ExpandMyMind]

5 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

It doesn't have any of the left wingers in it. You guys are avoiding it like the plague.

You got a link for it because I don't even see it?

[AnchorSteam]

Here is is-

 

It has expanded greatly, and also see the Awan Family ... maybe the two should be merged, but this is HUGE.

A cover-up involving multiple murders is just the start of it. Looks as if the media's habit of ignoring Democrat scandals has allowed this one to grow to staggering proportions.

It could be the most tremendous scandal in American History, period. 

 

 

 

[Agent0range]

6 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

Here is is-

 

It has expanded greatly, and also see the Awan Family ... maybe the two should be merged, but this is HUGE.

A cover-up involving multiple murders is just the start of it. Looks as if the media's habit of ignoring Democrat scandals has allowed this one to grow to staggering proportions.

It could be the most tremendous scandal in American History, period. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but where is the scandal in this BS of a headline?  The FBI SEIZED?  Try again.  Someone from the FBI went and picked up some hard drives that were reported in a garage.  WHOA!  Unbelievable!  Wow!  Is there a special counsel?  Is there an investigation?  Hit us up when they find something?  K?  Thanks.

[+DieChecker]

On 7/24/2017 at 4:00 AM, preacherman76 said:

Go tell that to the millions of dead Iraqies, who are dead because of their lies. Oh wait you can't, they're dead. 

Best estimates to date are that 500,000 Iraqi citizens died since the 2003 invasion. Still you have a point. It was a horrible war that should never have happened. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html

[preacherman76]

4 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Best estimates to date are that 500,000 Iraqi citizens died since the 2003 invasion. Still you have a point. It was a horrible war that should never have happened. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html

That's true, but we have been putting the boot on these peoples neck for far longer then that. We have been killed them through sanctions for a very long time. NTM desert storm, where they lied about Iraqie soldiers taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor. 

Edited August 3, 2017 by preacherman76

[RoofGardener]

You are both correct. The moral of this story is .... "Don't interfere with dictators.... let them carry on, even if they are a vicious police state that murder their own citizens, invade neighbouring countries or use nerve gas against their own population"

I'm sure the liberal-left would LOVE that as a rallying cry !

 

[preacherman76]

5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You are both correct. The moral of this story is .... "Don't interfere with dictators.... let them carry on, even if they are a vicious police state that murder their own citizens, invade neighbouring countries or use nerve gas against their own population"

I'm sure the liberal-left would LOVE that as a rallying cry !

 

The moral is don't prop up and support brutal dictators. Saddam was our monster. We put him in power.

[+DieChecker]

8 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You are both correct. The moral of this story is .... "Don't interfere with dictators.... let them carry on, even if they are a vicious police state that murder their own citizens, invade neighbouring countries or use nerve gas against their own population"

I'm sure the liberal-left would LOVE that as a rallying cry !

I think the moral should be... Washington needs to own the thousands killed to save dozens.

If a dictator is brutal, and killing people, do we interfere and kill thousands, or do we leave him alone to kill his dozens?

Neither is actually a Good choice, but in reality a choice has to be made.

[+DieChecker]

On 7/31/2017 at 0:33 PM, ExpandMyMind said:

Wow. Trump is looking more and more guilty every day. I find it absolutely incredible that his supporters are still able to do so. Holy **** man, what's it going to take? 

Support Trump? I don't really support him, but I am waiting to see what kind of actual CRIME is supposed to have happened. 

Collusion isn't a crime. But, Obstruction of Justice could be. Did this meeting result in Obstruction of Justice? Perhaps.... Though I think it mainly has been thrown out there to be meat for the dogs in the Court of Public Opinion. 

[ExpandMyMind]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Support Trump? I don't really support him, but I am waiting to see what kind of actual CRIME is supposed to have happened. 

Collusion isn't a crime. But, Obstruction of Justice could be. Did this meeting result in Obstruction of Justice? Perhaps.... Though I think it mainly has been thrown out there to be meat for the dogs in the Court of Public Opinion. 

Sure, collusion itself isn't a crime, but if you're colluding with a hostile foreign government that is committing an act of espionage (which is what this was), then there could be where the crime lies. You're aiding an act of espionage.

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We disagree with these arguments. We like to think of ourselves as fair-minded and knowledgeable, having between us many years of experience with the C.I.A. dealing with Russian intelligence services. It is our view not only that the Russian government was running some sort of intelligence operation involving the Trump campaign, but also that it is impossible to rule out the possibility of collusion between the two.

The original plan drawn up by the Russian intelligence services was probably multilayered. They could have begun an operation intended to disrupt the presidential campaign, as well as an effort to recruit insiders to help them over time — the two are not mutually exclusive. It is the nature of Russian covert actions (or as the Russians would call them, “active measures”) to adapt over time, providing opportunities for other actions that extend beyond the original intent.

It is entirely plausible, for example, that the original Russian hack of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers was an effort simply to collect intelligence and get an idea of the plans of the Democratic Party and its presidential candidate. Once derogatory information emerged from that operation, the Russians might then have seen an opportunity for a campaign to influence or disrupt the election. When Donald Trump Jr. responded “I love it” to proffers from a Kremlin-linked intermediary to provide derogatory information obtained by Russia on Hillary Clinton, the Russians might well have thought that they had found an inside source, an ally, a potential agent of influence on the election.

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However, perhaps the most telling piece of information may be the most obvious. Donald Trump himself made numerous statements in support of Russia, Russian intelligence and WikiLeaks during the campaign. At the same time, Mr. Trump and his team have gone out of their way to hide contacts with Russians and lied to the public about it. Likewise, Mr. Trump has attacked those people and institutions that could get to the bottom of the affair. He fired his F.B.I. director James Comey, criticized and bullied his attorney general and deputy attorney general, denigrated the F.B.I. and the C.I.A., and assails the news media, labeling anything he dislikes “fake news.” Innocent people don’t tend to behave this way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/opinion/donald-trump-russia-collusion-cia.html

[Myles]

1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Sure, collusion itself isn't a crime, but if you're colluding with a hostile foreign government that is committing an act of espionage (which is what this was), then there could be where the crime lies. You're aiding an act of espionage.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/opinion/donald-trump-russia-collusion-cia.html

I notice lots of words used in that opinion piece that give me pause.   "Probably", "plausible", "might", "could have".   

[ExpandMyMind]

Mueller impanels grand jury in Russia probe: report

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Special counsel Robert Mueller has reportedly impaneled a grand jury in Washington as part of the ongoing investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

Such a move would signal that the investigation is growing and entering a new phase. The special counsel is looking into Russia's efforts to influence the election and any ties between President Trump's campaign and Moscow.

Mueller’s spokesman declined to comment to the newspaper, while White House special counsel Ty Cobb said he was unaware of the new development.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/345212-mueller-establishes-grand-jury-in-trump-russia-probe-report

Things are ramping up. Yesterday Mueller hired a lawyer who specialises in foreign finance and bribery and now this.

Nothing burgers don't lead to a grand jury. Mueller must have something big. Holy ****.

For those who might not see the significance of this, it confirms that this is indeed a criminal investigation of US citizens regarding Russian interference in your elections and that there is legitimate evidence of a crime having been committed.

Edited August 3, 2017 by ExpandMyMind

[ExpandMyMind]

 

 

[BeastieRunner]

2 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

 

 

Well ...

Round one of subpoenas are out:

• Donald Trump, Jr.
• Paul Manafort
• Jared Kushner
• Natalia Veselnitskaya
• Rob Goldstone

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AJ2V0

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politi...ury/index.html

[Michelle]

As we learned during Hillary's testimony, all they have to say is, "I don't recall.". What a joke that investigation was.

[Paranormal Panther]

13 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

That's true, but we have been putting the boot on these peoples neck for far longer then that. We have been killed them through sanctions for a very long time. NTM desert storm, where they lied about Iraqie soldiers taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor. 

The military actions made bad situations much worse. The bad guys were replaced with worse guys or worse groups. Yet, the warmongers want to do more of the same! They even use the same script to fool the public.

[preacherman76]

I hope they are in the public view. 

[Paranormal Panther]

6 minutes ago, Michelle said:

As we learned during Hillary's testimony, all they have to say is, "I don't recall.". What a joke that investigation was.

Hillary could say anything. Her pantsuits are made of kevlar and teflon. She has allies in high places, as well as low places. It's like something out of "The Omen".

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Hillary could say anything. Her pantsuits are made of kevlar and teflon. She has allies in high places, as well as low places. It's like something out of "The Omen".

Heck, she was buds with Trump until the election.  Chelsea and Ivanka are still BFFs .

[+DieChecker]

18 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Sure, collusion itself isn't a crime, but if you're colluding with a hostile foreign government that is committing an act of espionage (which is what this was), then there could be where the crime lies. You're aiding an act of espionage.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/opinion/donald-trump-russia-collusion-cia.html

I noticed that it says "opinion", right there in the link. Because that is what you posted, someone's opinion. 

Is Russia a hostile foreign power? I thought Hillary, et al, were trying to smooth out relations 4 or 5 years ago. Now they are back to being part of the Evil Empire?

True, Russia should be treated as hostile, because they've grabbed up more then a bit of Ukraine. But, I don't think they are any more evil then Germany, or Israel, or Brazil.

10 hours ago, BeastieRunner said:

Well ...

Round one of subpoenas are out:

• Donald Trump, Jr.
• Paul Manafort
• Jared Kushner
• Natalia Veselnitskaya
• Rob Goldstone

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1AJ2V0

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politi...ury/index.html

Hillary Clinton had grand jury subpoenas file against her in the Email scandal. A subpoena isn't a proof of guilt, or a conviction, evidently. Let's wait and see what falls out?

Edited August 4, 2017 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Heck, she was buds with Trump until the election.  Chelsea and Ivanka are still BFFs .

Is that then enough to establish clear connection between the Clintons and the Russians!!!! Going off some media sources, a friend of a friend is damning evidence.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

1 + 1 equals 3, or 1, or 5... Or whatever.

Sad reality.