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17 hours ago, Will Due said:

All that the anti-Trumpers are left doing, is playing Russian Roulette. 

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On 7/10/2017 at 1:11 PM, and then said:

And yet you posted no complaints of HRC's "issues".... why is that?  BTW, Mueller could find evidence that he robbed a bank and shot the sheriff (but didn't kill the deputy) and he STILL could not be arrested and indicted until he is a private citizen again.  An impeachment is a POLITICAL ACT.

Because HRC is NOT the president.

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"This is it! WE FINALLY GOT HIM!"

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Don't you guys get tired of this MSM roller coaster ride? How many times are we going to see a tease of "the smoking gun", create a UM thread to laugh at Trump supporters who are about to get theirs, then 10 pages and 2 days later find out it was more fabrication for TV ratings? It just. Keeps. Happening.

Top 5 debunked Trump/Russia "fake news", including this one, since we can't remember them all:

 

 

 

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Did Julian Assange Advise Trump Jr. to Release Emails?

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The "bombshelled"-out, increasingly convoluted story of "Donald Trump Jr. Colluded With The Russians (Or At Least Thought He Was)" added yet another headline-grabbing wrinkle on Tuesday: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange now claims that he personally advised Donald Trump Jr. to release the emails at the center of the firestorm over the Russian lawyer scandal.
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"Contacted Trump Jr this morning on why he should publish his emails (i.e with us). Two hours later, does it himself," wrote Assange, linking to the full email chain document.

 

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7 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

*stares at the screen* Assange. *stares some more* 

Well, thanks for brightening my day. 

 

On a less funny side, if only you could realize at this particular moment in your life, how deranged you look when you're desperately denying the obvious. 

Any stone you turn over in vicinity of the White House lately, there's a Russian or a Russian employee underneath it. 

You may think it's bigly huge success, but there's no point denying it anymore. 

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1 hour ago, Einsteinium said:

Because HRC is NOT the president.

Nice try.  It still sounds like blatant hypocrisy to me.

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31 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

On a less funny side, if only you could realize at this particular moment in your life, how deranged you look when you're desperately denying the obvious. 

Any stone you turn over in vicinity of the White House lately, there's a Russian or a Russian employee underneath it.

What is "the obvious"? Go ahead - break down the Russia evidence for me. If it's so obvious, what do you consider to be the most convincing facts?

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You may think it's bigly huge success, but there's no point denying it anymore. 

Denying what? Helen, nothing has been proven. You keep talking about this like it's been decided in court :huh:

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8 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

 HOW EX-SPY CHRISTOPHER STEELE COMPILED HIS EXPLOSIVE TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER The dude was initially hired by republicans to dig up dirt on trump : 

 

No it doesn't. Thats basically the only tactic that ya'll have left and I get that but it really doesn't work. Trump is POTUS Hillary isnt, one being compromised by a foreign nation poses a clear and immediate danger to our nation and the other doesnt. 

They both should be prosecuted but to bring up Hillary as some sort of a defense for Trump's actions is a weak and juvenile move. 

As Expandmymind said above the denial ship has sailed.  Trump Jr. Proved today this isnt a witch hunt, from his tweet: 

 

 Goldstone: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."  

 

Yea that actually makes sense. It was first the republicans that tried to shut him down in the primary.

See that's the thing Farm, we don't need tactics. Its not as if we see these stories and start game planning excuses. I actually sit here simply dumbfounded that you guys are still going on about it. I'm baffled I even have to explain. The only one using tactics is left wing media pretending as hard as they can that this not only means something, but is the biggest scandal ever. When in truth, it just shoots massive holes in the entire Russian collusion story bigger then the holes that already sank this ship. I mean seriously man, use your head. You are literally saying Trumps son, meeting with a women who isn't directly even connected to the Russian government, and who didn't have any information for him, is a smoking gun that Trump colluded with the government? That's his high level sources? Why would he even talk to this women if he actually had ties to the Russian government? Come on man, I know you hate the guy but seriously? This is a circus.

Lets say for a sec that Russia did have some dirt on Hillary that they wanted to share with Trump. So what? As long as they didn't get it illegally. Its not like they haven't been dealing directly with her for many years. Anything they did have through hacking or whatever, they just dump off to wiki leaks. And there isn't even any proof of any of this perfectly legal activity. You have two people meeting that accomplished nothing. Then you assume that a crime was being committed when she could have been giving him information that was well within her rights to give to him, and well within his to take it. If any of this was the case (which its not) its called having a good source. The establishment literally hired a foreigner to dig up dirt on Trump, from where ever he wanted, including Russia. Where is the investigation on those people? Where are the accusations of treason? Where is the demands those people step down? There are three different groups who have paid this "investigator" The establishment republicans, establishment democrats, and the damn FBI using tax payers money. Just stop   

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21 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

What is "the obvious"? Go ahead - break down the Russia evidence for me. If it's so obvious, what do you consider to be the most convincing facts?

Denying what? Helen, nothing has been proven. You keep talking about this like it's been decided in court :huh:

Yep, and this will never even see the inside of a courtroom. Its far more effective to just lead the sheep with. In a courtroom they would actually have to bring something to the table.

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1 hour ago, Dark_Grey said:

"This is it! WE FINALLY GOT HIM!"

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Don't you guys get tired of this MSM roller coaster ride? How many times are we going to see a tease of "the smoking gun", create a UM thread to laugh at Trump supporters who are about to get theirs, then 10 pages and 2 days later find out it was more fabrication for TV ratings? It just. Keeps. Happening.

Top 5 debunked Trump/Russia "fake news", including this one, since we can't remember them all:

 

 

 

LOL, yea I heard someone say something pretty cool this morning. Trump looks like he is losing, until he wins. We have seen that several times now.

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4 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

What is "the obvious"? Go ahead - break down the Russia evidence for me. If it's so obvious, what do you consider to be the most convincing facts?

Everything was obvious from the start - and the start was right after Junior's contact with Russians, evidence of which he himself plastered on Twitter.   

Junior met Russians who promised material against Hillary. It doesn't matter it was Hillary, what matters is that it was against presidential candidate of your own country. Hello? Evidence, again, now available on Twitter too.  

 

4 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Denying what? Helen, nothing has been proven. You keep talking about this like it's been decided in court :huh:

This is proven to me. I was certain before, but now there is the direct, undeniable and unspinnable evidence. 

Will it end up in court and what will court decide, that remains to be seen. I won't faint if things are broken to the point where this doesn't have any consequences. I don't expect such grotesque, but like I said, I wouldn't faint from surprise. I nearly fainted, though, when this tweetstorm started... I still don't believe my eyes. There are two explanations: either Junior said 'oh, no, I'm not going down alone, you're all going down with me', either the whole family is so... special... they actually took Assange's advice. 

I always thought Russians, who brought this joke upon you, will be the ones to end it too. I only didn't know at which exact point they'll decide to ditch their asset and why (they could do it at the most damaging moment for you, or before they break you completely... looks like they went for the second reason which means they can and will think, unlike someone else). 

In short, you didn't mind Russian intelligence meddling in your internal affairs at the highest level, but you at least should mind the loss of reputation this... morbid comedy... keeps causing to you. 

But that's just my opinion, of course. 

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41 minutes ago, and then said:

Nice try.  It still sounds like blatant hypocrisy to me.

They had to lay low all last week when CNN  was caught Blackmailing some Vlogger.

Now they get to vet, rant and rage and attack, for a change. Let them, next week it will be some new shiny object. 

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13 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Everything was obvious from the start - and the start was right after Junior's contact with Russians, evidence of which he himself plastered on Twitter.   

Junior met Russians who promised material against Hillary. It doesn't matter it was Hillary, what matters is that it was against presidential candidate of your own country. Hello? Evidence, again, now available on Twitter too.  

 

This is proven to me. I was certain before, but now there is the direct, undeniable and unspinnable evidence. 

Will it end up in court and what will court decide, that remains to be seen. I won't faint if things are broken to the point where this doesn't have any consequences. I don't expect such grotesque, but like I said, I wouldn't faint from surprise. I nearly fainted, though, when this tweetstorm started... I still don't believe my eyes. There are two explanations: either Junior said 'oh, no, I'm not going down alone, you're all going down with me', either the whole family is so... special... they actually took Assange's advice. 

I always thought Russians, who brought this joke upon you, will be the ones to end it too. I only didn't know at which exact point they'll decide to ditch their asset and why (they could do it at the most damaging moment for you, or before they break you completely... looks like they went for the second reason which means they can and will think, unlike someone else). 

In short, you didn't mind Russian intelligence meddling in your internal affairs at the highest level, but you at least should mind the loss of reputation this... morbid comedy... keeps causing to you. 

But that's just my opinion, of course. 

My goodness. The media literally has you believing its illegal, or for that matter even wrong, the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to share information. If this women had ligit information that could have been shown in the full light of day of course he's gonna take it. There is not a candidate in the history of government who wouldn't have listened to what she had to say. Which was nothing. Its not like the guy smashed his computer with a hammer to get rid of the emails he had with her.

This is CNN with the help of their side kicks trying to climb out of the blackmail hole they created for themselves last week by making up another Russian scandal. Being that several of these scandals have been proven outright lies, that shouldn't be to hard to see.

Listen I don't care if you wanna hate the guy. Just bring something real to the table if you wanna post on a political forum. Maybe even go back to the old buzz words like racist. This is getting embarrassing. Just my 2 cents. 

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14 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Are you delusional? I'm asking that seriously. For a year, yes, there have been accusations of colluding with the Russian government, but those accusations were confirmed as soon as Jr released those emails. You get that right? This isn't nothing, it's confirmation of what has been suspected. It's the presence of something, which is literally the opposite of nothing.

Colluding to do what, gather negative material on the opposition?    Keep reaching your hysteria is amusing to watch and watching you and Helen the annoying age before our eyes is great fun.

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15 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Junior met Russians who promised material against Hillary.

That's your convincing evidence that ties it all together? Junior's emails? Ok.

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It doesn't matter it was Hillary, what matters is that it was against presidential candidate of your own country.

Oh, it matters very much that it was Hillary. She was compromising national security with her home server, dealing uranium to terrorists and associating with known pedophiles among many other nasty things. Don't tell me we would be better off if Hillary had won and her crimes were never revealed...you can argue this was "disrupting the Democratic process" but so is all the shady crap Hillary was doing behind the scenes. The public should have all the facts before casting their vote. Besides, it was in Russia and ultimately the world's best interests that the DNC "hacks" happened. Hillary was threatening nuclear war with Russia - there is not much Trump could say or do that carries the same consequences.

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22 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Hey Helen the annoying can you explain why days after meeting Trump Jr. the Russian lawyer was sittuing with Obama's top Russian people?  http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-jr-attorney-obama

Can you explain why, on that very same day, Hillary's emails were released?

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27 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Can you explain why, on that very same day, Hillary's emails were released?

You mean Podesta's emails as in the ones released by Wikileaks?   :rolleyes:  Assange has said, on several occasions, that he did NOT receive those  emails form the Russians and the only proof that the Russians were involved was by a DNC hired computer firm that "inspected the server" and said the Russians did it.   The FBI never looked at the server and Crowdstrike still has it in their possession.  Weird huh? 

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48 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Hey Helen the annoying can you explain why days after meeting Trump Jr. the Russian lawyer was sittuing with Obama's top Russian people?  http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-jr-attorney-obama

Now THAT is an example of fake news! And you buy into it hook line and sinker! Hilarious.

Yeah, the whole Russia thing must just be Obama trying to undermine Trump. Never-mind the fact that Russia helped out Trump, not Hillary, never-mind the fact that this story only is just now coming out, when if Obama was behind this it would have come out before the election so as to help Hillary not now. None of the 'theories' you side puts out about this make sense, and as more and more evidence emerges implicating collusion between Trump and Russia you just keep inventing more and more ridiculous absurd stories to explain it all away. We have emails from this lawyer to Trump Jr. stating in plain terms that the Russian goverment wants to help Trump, but that lawyer just must be working for Obama since we have a picture of (supposedly) her at a foreign affairs committee hearing sitting there and listening in must mean she is working for Obama, emails and the written English language be damned.

Yup, nothing to see here, any information from any source that supports Trump is real, anything that is damaging to him must be made up fake news. And I thought the democrats were more likely to fall for authoritarian BS like that, turns out I was wrong and it is the republicans who are at the front of the line when it comes to embracing dictatorial thinking in the USA. 

 

Your side is sounding more and more out of touch with reality with each passing day.

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42 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

That's your convincing evidence that ties it all together? Junior's emails? Ok.

Oh, it matters very much that it was Hillary. She was compromising national security with her home server, dealing uranium to terrorists and associating with known pedophiles among many other nasty things. Don't tell me we would be better off if Hillary had won and her crimes were never revealed...you can argue this was "disrupting the Democratic process" but so is all the shady crap Hillary was doing behind the scenes. The public should have all the facts before casting their vote. Besides, it was in Russia and ultimately the world's best interests that the DNC "hacks" happened. Hillary was threatening nuclear war with Russia - there is not much Trump could say or do that carries the same consequences.

I'm not using my home server for coming here, but it's not some outrageous rarity, you know. Etc. I'm not here to defend Hillary from more and less exaggerated accusations. 

I drop by to remind you that this is the first time in US history your president is tied so closely to a foreign power, there is no chance left he can make independent decisions.

Also, that president gave you no administration. Instead, you've got hilarious nepotism, amateurism and chaos. That's no administration. That's sabotage. Hillary, be her the vampire you believe she is, would at least bring professionals with her. Or you think she'd simply put her daughter in her own chair at international meetings? Has Fox told you how Europe was howling with laughter at your crown princess - how else to explain such diplomatic catastrophe? - taking your apparently king's seat?  

The trouble with your attempted royal family is that they have too many secrets and apparently can't keep them at all. 


 

49 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Hey Helen the annoying can you explain why days after meeting Trump Jr. the Russian lawyer was sittuing with Obama's top Russian people?  http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-jr-attorney-obama

Your politicians, president and candidates included, of course, had and will have contacts with foreign officials. It may be more or less discreet, but never a secret. 

And even if it is a secret, it better not be secretly meeting Russian messenger with classic Russian kompromat. If you still don't understand why is that so much different than usual diplomacy and what is wrong in it, I can't help you. Probably no one can. 

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1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

The FBI never looked at the server and Crowdstrike still has it in their possession.  Weird huh? 

Hold on a second. Are you telling me the FBI did not follow a trail of proxy servers to find the actual computers used to send phishing emails?

So on what grounds are we accusing the Russians?

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and the only proof that the Russians were involved was by a DNC hired computer firm that "inspected the server" and said the Russians did it.

You can't be serious. There has to be more substance than that. An entire industry has been built on the narrative that Russians sent spam emails to the DNC.

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2 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

You mean Podesta's emails as in the ones released by Wikileaks?   :rolleyes:  Assange has said, on several occasions, that he did NOT receive those  emails form the Russians and the only proof that the Russians were involved was by a DNC hired computer firm that "inspected the server" and said the Russians did it.   The FBI never looked at the server and Crowdstrike still has it in their possession.  Weird huh? 

The proof that the intelligence community has is highly classified and for good reason as that information most likely would reveal intelligence gathering techniques/technology. It is quite obvious to any thinking person that the intelligence community has more than just the assurances of the DNC that it was Russia. How ridiculous to think our big intelligence agencies would just take what the DNC says and draw very serious implicit conclusions based solely on that.

And yeah, Assange, such a trustworthy guy. Surely if he says something it must be true, and surely he has no possible alternate motives for claiming it was not Russia. When was the last time he published any negative material on Russia anyways? Oh thats right, never.

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3 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

You mean Podesta's emails as in the ones released by Wikileaks?   :rolleyes:  Assange has said, on several occasions, that he did NOT receive those  emails form the Russians and the only proof that the Russians were involved was by a DNC hired computer firm that "inspected the server" and said the Russians did it.   The FBI never looked at the server and Crowdstrike still has it in their possession.  Weird huh? 

True, it's looking more likely that he received them from the Trump campaign. Which would of course strengthen the case for espionage since we know the hack came from Russia.

It seems to fit the narrative, especially considering just how friendly Assange is with the Trumps. I mean Assange actually Tweeted that he was the one who suggested the Jr release his emails. What the **** is Jr doing talking to Assange about this in the first place?

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What I don't understand is why more republicans aren't extremely angry at Trump and his team? They have been lying to you for a year about colluding with Russia, forcing you to defend a position that Jr has himself now admitted was a lie. Everything you've been shouting 'fake news' at for a whole year has turned out to be true and has made you look like idiots, and your first reaction is to actually defend this lying sack of ****? What's wrong with you? They haven't just lied to 'the left', they've lied to your entire country.

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