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Timothy

Good luck getting all that for 1.6 billion...

Wonder how much it will blow out.

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Uncle Sam
4 hours ago, OverSword said:

 

Difference from then and now, they do get these services through illegal means and the government knows about it, but they turned a blind eye and it has destroyed Social Services. They pushed it past sustainability, leading to a massive drain on the closed system and eventually leads to collapse of it in the near future. The disabled, mentally ill, and elderly will suffer. These are the people originally intended for the Social Services.

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Golden Duck
9 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

You could rephrase the question: "Would you allow strangers from another country to show up at your door and live with you and your family?"

Easy transition in to talking about the importance of immigration control.

Bricks and mortar walls are obsolete and were never effective without adequate manning.

Spending the 1.6B on better systems, better reporting between DHS/IRS and reducing the opportunity for illegal immigrants could mean a metaphorical wall would be effective across the entire USA.

Compared to the budget for DHS, of 40.6B, the wall doesn't appear a huge cost; but I don't think it will yield a money back return.

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Gary Meadows

Enjoy your prison country. 

 

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Timothy
5 minutes ago, Gary Meadows said:

Enjoy your prison country. 

 

:)

Canadians and Americans, and your countries, are practically the same...

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Gary Meadows
49 minutes ago, Timonthy said:

Canadians and Americans, and your countries, are practically the same...

Just one large, concrete(with barbwire, I'm assuming?) difference. 

 

:)

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Timothy
14 minutes ago, Gary Meadows said:

Just one large, concrete(with barbwire, I'm assuming?) difference. 

 

:)

Is Trump putting one up along your border too?

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The Truman show
9 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Bricks and mortar walls are obsolete and were never effective without adequate manning.

Spending the 1.6B on better systems, better reporting between DHS/IRS and reducing the opportunity for illegal immigrants could mean a metaphorical wall would be effective across the entire USA.

Compared to the budget for DHS, of 40.6B, the wall doesn't appear a huge cost; but I don't think it will yield a money back return.

Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. 

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CeresExpo2000
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. 

Yes, the wall is workin'!

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Dark_Grey
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. 

Not just Israel.

Look how many countries have "anti-illegal immigration" listed as the reason for their international border wall - I did not expect that, TBH. Clearly following the xenophobic example set by the 4th Reich (America)

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Belize-Guatemala Belize Proposed, Agreed N/A Disputed Territory and Anti-illegal immigration
Botswana/Zimbabwe Botswana and Zimbabwe 2003 500 Anti-illegal immigration
Brunei/Limbang Brunei and Limbang 2005 20 Anti-illegal immigration
Bulgaria/Turkey Bulgaria 2014 30 Anti-illegal immigration
Ceuta border fence Spain 2001 8 Anti-illegal immigration
China/Hong Kong Hong Kong 1960s -early 32 Anti-illegal immigration
Costa Rica/Nicaragua Costa Rica Proposed N/A Anti-illegal immigration
Chinese-Korean border fence China and North Korea Under construction 1,416 Anti-illegal immigration
Egypt-Gaza barrier Egypt 1979, subterranean barrier under construction 3.1 Anti-terrorism and anti-illegal immigration
Estonia-Russia border fence Estonia and Russia Planned 106-108 anti-Russian intrusion, anti-illegal trade and anti-illegal immigration
Macedonia-Greece barrier Macedonia 2015 30 Anti-illegal immigration
Malaysia-Thailand border Thailand and Malaysia Proposed 650 Anti-terrorism
Melilla border fence Spain 1998 11 Anti-illegal immigration
Hungary–Serbia barrier Hungary 2015 175 Anti-illegal immigration
Hungary–Croatia barrier Hungary 2015 41 Anti-illegal immigration
Indo-Bangladeshi barrier India Under construction 3,268 Anti-illegal immigration
Indo-Burma barrier India Under construction 1,624 Anti-drug smuggling and anti-terrorism
Indian Kashmir barrier India 2004 550 Anti-terrorism (disputed territory)
Iran-Pakistan barrier Iran and Pakistan Under construction 700 Anti-drug smuggling
Kazakh-Uzbekistan barrier Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan 2006 45 Anti-drug smuggling
Korean Demilitarized Zone North Korea and South Korea 1953 248 Conflict zone
Kruger National Park South Africa and Mozambique 1975 120 Anti-illegal immigration
South Africa/Zimbabwe Border South Africa 2000s 225 Anti-illegal immigration, Anti-drug Smuggling, Anti Weapon Smuggling
Kuwait-Iraq barrier Kuwait and Iraq 1991 193 Conflict zone
Pakistan-Afghanistan barrier Pakistan Proposed 2,400 Anti-terrorism
Saudi-Yemen barrier Saudi Arabia and Yemen 2004 75 Anti-illegal immigration
Saudi-Iraq barrier Saudi Arabia and Iraq 2014 900 Anti-illegal immigration and Conflict zone
Slovenia-Croatia barrier Slovenia under construction N/A Anti-illegal immigration
Turkey–Syria border barrier Turkey Under construction 828 Anti-terrorism, anti-illegal immigration and smuggling
Turkey–Iran border barrier Turkey Under construction 144 Anti-terrorism, anti-illegal immigration and smuggling
Turkmen-Uzbekistan barrier Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan 2001 1,700 Anti-illegal immigration
Ukraine-Russia barrier Ukraine and Russia Under construction 2,000 Anti Weapon Smuggling and Conflict zone
United Arab Emirates-Oman barrier United Arab Emirates and Oman Under construction 410 Anti-illegal immigration
Mexico–United States barrier United States Proposed; Partially Constructed 930 Anti-illegal immigration and drug smuggling
Uzbek-Afghanistan barrier Uzbekistan and Afghanistan 2001 209 Anti-illegal immigration
Uzbek-Kyrgyzstan barrier Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan 1999 870 Conflict zone

 

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Bama13
17 hours ago, OverSword said:

You do know that the great wall of china failed don't you?  The Huns came right through and took over.  So far ever single example of a wall or a fence given was a failure.  Don't bother looking for one that didn't fail you won't find one. 

Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls.

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RavenHawk
22 minutes ago, Bama13 said:

Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls.

Yes, Alesia was a unique solution using walls and I wouldn’t say that the Maginot Line worked.  Oh, it was never defeated by direct assault but because the supporting forces went under ground, it was easily out flanked.  The Great Wall of China was successful just as long as they kept strong armies at the choke points.  Many cities and castles were defeated too.  It just depended on how much manpower one threw at the defenses and the skill or your sappers.  The key is manpower and the will to man (or defeat) the defenses (walls).

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Bama13
2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Yes, Alesia was a unique solution using walls and I wouldn’t say that the Maginot Line worked.  Oh, it was never defeated by direct assault but because the supporting forces went under ground, it was easily out flanked.  The Great Wall of China was successful just as long as they kept strong armies at the choke points.  Many cities and castles were defeated too.  It just depended on how much manpower one threw at the defenses and the skill or your sappers.  The key is manpower and the will to man (or defeat) the defenses (walls).

 

The goal of the Maginot Line was to direct the German forces around it. Worked to a tee.

Just building a wall or fence won't work. It must be manned and/or monitored.

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kartikg
18 hours ago, OverSword said:

You do know that the great wall of china failed don't you?  The Huns came right through and took over.  So far ever single example of a wall or a fence given was a failure.  Don't bother looking for one that didn't fail you won't find one. 

That's why I suggested armed patrols guarding along the wall. The walls in Isreal help so does the fence in indo pakistani border helps , if nothing else you can shoot anyone who tries to jump or cross the wall without getting too much in trouble with other country 

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RavenHawk
9 minutes ago, Bama13 said:

The goal of the Maginot Line was to direct the German forces around it. Worked to a tee.

Just building a wall or fence won't work. It must be manned and/or monitored.

I think that's what I said....

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OverSword
1 hour ago, Bama13 said:

Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls.

Alesia fell to the Romans despite it's walls. If the Maginot line worked how did the Germans take Paris?

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OverSword
28 minutes ago, kartikg said:

That's why I suggested armed patrols guarding along the wall. The walls in Isreal help so does the fence in indo pakistani border helps , if nothing else you can shoot anyone who tries to jump or cross the wall without getting too much in trouble with other country 

Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall?  No ****ing way.

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CeresExpo2000
21 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall?  No ****ing way.

What about Drug Cartels that have staging areas along our border?

 

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OverSword
13 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said:

What about Drug Cartels that have staging areas along our border?

 

Is smuggling a death penalty offense?

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CeresExpo2000
Just now, OverSword said:

Is smuggling a death penalty offense?

Border Patrol will return fire.

The Cartels will have to "smuggle" some place else.

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kartikg
44 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall?  No ****ing way.

Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions  ?  the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . 

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CeresExpo2000
3 minutes ago, kartikg said:

Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions  ?  the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . 

The liberals have Trump Derangement Syndrome.  They can't think straight.

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aztek
1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall?  No ****ing way.

lets put it to a vote,.  i have no issue with that

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OverSword
52 minutes ago, kartikg said:

Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions  ?  the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . 

Illegally crossing the US border is not a death penalty offense.  Don't try to emotionalize your argument by acting like this is tantamount to breaking into my home with the intent of raping my wife and killing my children.  Stick to logic and facts.  The fact is this is an expensive and ultimately ineffective boondoggle.  Logic dictates that this is not the answer since this wall isn't going to keep determined people out.

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OverSword
25 minutes ago, aztek said:

lets put it to a vote,.  i have no issue with that

border-fence-5-illegal-aliens.jpg

Really?  lets start with the one in the Tinkerbell shirt.

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