Timothy Posted July 14, 2017 #126 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Good luck getting all that for 1.6 billion... Wonder how much it will blow out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted July 14, 2017 #127 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, OverSword said: Difference from then and now, they do get these services through illegal means and the government knows about it, but they turned a blind eye and it has destroyed Social Services. They pushed it past sustainability, leading to a massive drain on the closed system and eventually leads to collapse of it in the near future. The disabled, mentally ill, and elderly will suffer. These are the people originally intended for the Social Services. Edited July 14, 2017 by Uncle Sam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 14, 2017 #128 Share Posted July 14, 2017 9 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: You could rephrase the question: "Would you allow strangers from another country to show up at your door and live with you and your family?" Easy transition in to talking about the importance of immigration control. Bricks and mortar walls are obsolete and were never effective without adequate manning. Spending the 1.6B on better systems, better reporting between DHS/IRS and reducing the opportunity for illegal immigrants could mean a metaphorical wall would be effective across the entire USA. Compared to the budget for DHS, of 40.6B, the wall doesn't appear a huge cost; but I don't think it will yield a money back return. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Meadows Posted July 14, 2017 #129 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Enjoy your prison country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted July 14, 2017 #130 Share Posted July 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gary Meadows said: Enjoy your prison country. Canadians and Americans, and your countries, are practically the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Meadows Posted July 14, 2017 #131 Share Posted July 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, Timonthy said: Canadians and Americans, and your countries, are practically the same... Just one large, concrete(with barbwire, I'm assuming?) difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted July 14, 2017 #132 Share Posted July 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, Gary Meadows said: Just one large, concrete(with barbwire, I'm assuming?) difference. Is Trump putting one up along your border too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 14, 2017 #133 Share Posted July 14, 2017 9 hours ago, Golden Duck said: Bricks and mortar walls are obsolete and were never effective without adequate manning. Spending the 1.6B on better systems, better reporting between DHS/IRS and reducing the opportunity for illegal immigrants could mean a metaphorical wall would be effective across the entire USA. Compared to the budget for DHS, of 40.6B, the wall doesn't appear a huge cost; but I don't think it will yield a money back return. Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted July 14, 2017 #134 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Risky said: Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. Yes, the wall is workin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted July 14, 2017 Author #135 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Risky said: Bolded: Israel seems to be doing just fine with their's. Not just Israel. Look how many countries have "anti-illegal immigration" listed as the reason for their international border wall - I did not expect that, TBH. Clearly following the xenophobic example set by the 4th Reich (America) Quote Belize-Guatemala Belize Proposed, Agreed N/A Disputed Territory and Anti-illegal immigration Botswana/Zimbabwe Botswana and Zimbabwe 2003 500 Anti-illegal immigration Brunei/Limbang Brunei and Limbang 2005 20 Anti-illegal immigration Bulgaria/Turkey Bulgaria 2014 30 Anti-illegal immigration Ceuta border fence Spain 2001 8 Anti-illegal immigration China/Hong Kong Hong Kong 1960s -early 32 Anti-illegal immigration Costa Rica/Nicaragua Costa Rica Proposed N/A Anti-illegal immigration Chinese-Korean border fence China and North Korea Under construction 1,416 Anti-illegal immigration Egypt-Gaza barrier Egypt 1979, subterranean barrier under construction 3.1 Anti-terrorism and anti-illegal immigration Estonia-Russia border fence Estonia and Russia Planned 106-108 anti-Russian intrusion, anti-illegal trade and anti-illegal immigration Macedonia-Greece barrier Macedonia 2015 30 Anti-illegal immigration Malaysia-Thailand border Thailand and Malaysia Proposed 650 Anti-terrorism Melilla border fence Spain 1998 11 Anti-illegal immigration Hungary–Serbia barrier Hungary 2015 175 Anti-illegal immigration Hungary–Croatia barrier Hungary 2015 41 Anti-illegal immigration Indo-Bangladeshi barrier India Under construction 3,268 Anti-illegal immigration Indo-Burma barrier India Under construction 1,624 Anti-drug smuggling and anti-terrorism Indian Kashmir barrier India 2004 550 Anti-terrorism (disputed territory) Iran-Pakistan barrier Iran and Pakistan Under construction 700 Anti-drug smuggling Kazakh-Uzbekistan barrier Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan 2006 45 Anti-drug smuggling Korean Demilitarized Zone North Korea and South Korea 1953 248 Conflict zone Kruger National Park South Africa and Mozambique 1975 120 Anti-illegal immigration South Africa/Zimbabwe Border South Africa 2000s 225 Anti-illegal immigration, Anti-drug Smuggling, Anti Weapon Smuggling Kuwait-Iraq barrier Kuwait and Iraq 1991 193 Conflict zone Pakistan-Afghanistan barrier Pakistan Proposed 2,400 Anti-terrorism Saudi-Yemen barrier Saudi Arabia and Yemen 2004 75 Anti-illegal immigration Saudi-Iraq barrier Saudi Arabia and Iraq 2014 900 Anti-illegal immigration and Conflict zone Slovenia-Croatia barrier Slovenia under construction N/A Anti-illegal immigration Turkey–Syria border barrier Turkey Under construction 828 Anti-terrorism, anti-illegal immigration and smuggling Turkey–Iran border barrier Turkey Under construction 144 Anti-terrorism, anti-illegal immigration and smuggling Turkmen-Uzbekistan barrier Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan 2001 1,700 Anti-illegal immigration Ukraine-Russia barrier Ukraine and Russia Under construction 2,000 Anti Weapon Smuggling and Conflict zone United Arab Emirates-Oman barrier United Arab Emirates and Oman Under construction 410 Anti-illegal immigration Mexico–United States barrier United States Proposed; Partially Constructed 930 Anti-illegal immigration and drug smuggling Uzbek-Afghanistan barrier Uzbekistan and Afghanistan 2001 209 Anti-illegal immigration Uzbek-Kyrgyzstan barrier Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan 1999 870 Conflict zone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted July 14, 2017 #136 Share Posted July 14, 2017 17 hours ago, OverSword said: You do know that the great wall of china failed don't you? The Huns came right through and took over. So far ever single example of a wall or a fence given was a failure. Don't bother looking for one that didn't fail you won't find one. Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted July 14, 2017 #137 Share Posted July 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, Bama13 said: Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls. Yes, Alesia was a unique solution using walls and I wouldn’t say that the Maginot Line worked. Oh, it was never defeated by direct assault but because the supporting forces went under ground, it was easily out flanked. The Great Wall of China was successful just as long as they kept strong armies at the choke points. Many cities and castles were defeated too. It just depended on how much manpower one threw at the defenses and the skill or your sappers. The key is manpower and the will to man (or defeat) the defenses (walls). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted July 14, 2017 #138 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: Yes, Alesia was a unique solution using walls and I wouldn’t say that the Maginot Line worked. Oh, it was never defeated by direct assault but because the supporting forces went under ground, it was easily out flanked. The Great Wall of China was successful just as long as they kept strong armies at the choke points. Many cities and castles were defeated too. It just depended on how much manpower one threw at the defenses and the skill or your sappers. The key is manpower and the will to man (or defeat) the defenses (walls). The goal of the Maginot Line was to direct the German forces around it. Worked to a tee. Just building a wall or fence won't work. It must be manned and/or monitored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted July 14, 2017 #139 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, OverSword said: You do know that the great wall of china failed don't you? The Huns came right through and took over. So far ever single example of a wall or a fence given was a failure. Don't bother looking for one that didn't fail you won't find one. That's why I suggested armed patrols guarding along the wall. The walls in Isreal help so does the fence in indo pakistani border helps , if nothing else you can shoot anyone who tries to jump or cross the wall without getting too much in trouble with other country Edited July 14, 2017 by kartikg was blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted July 14, 2017 #140 Share Posted July 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bama13 said: The goal of the Maginot Line was to direct the German forces around it. Worked to a tee. Just building a wall or fence won't work. It must be manned and/or monitored. I think that's what I said.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 14, 2017 #141 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Bama13 said: Caesar's walls at Alesia worked. The Maginot line worked. Many cities and castles didn't get captured because of their walls. Alesia fell to the Romans despite it's walls. If the Maginot line worked how did the Germans take Paris? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 14, 2017 #142 Share Posted July 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, kartikg said: That's why I suggested armed patrols guarding along the wall. The walls in Isreal help so does the fence in indo pakistani border helps , if nothing else you can shoot anyone who tries to jump or cross the wall without getting too much in trouble with other country Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall? No ****ing way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted July 14, 2017 #143 Share Posted July 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, OverSword said: Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall? No ****ing way. What about Drug Cartels that have staging areas along our border? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 14, 2017 #144 Share Posted July 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said: What about Drug Cartels that have staging areas along our border? Is smuggling a death penalty offense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted July 14, 2017 #145 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, OverSword said: Is smuggling a death penalty offense? Border Patrol will return fire. The Cartels will have to "smuggle" some place else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted July 14, 2017 #146 Share Posted July 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, OverSword said: Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall? No ****ing way. Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions ? the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted July 14, 2017 #147 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, kartikg said: Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions ? the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . The liberals have Trump Derangement Syndrome. They can't think straight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted July 14, 2017 #148 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, OverSword said: Do you seriously believe that the American people would be okay with shooting civilians trying to get past our wall? No ****ing way. lets put it to a vote,. i have no issue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 14, 2017 #149 Share Posted July 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, kartikg said: Yes for civilians there are and will be legal entry points, anyone else is a criminal and by law , if someone is trying to force a way in your house by breaking windows how on earth can you say he has good intentions ? the whole idea of border is to prevent illegal entry and by all means a country is under law protected . Illegally crossing the US border is not a death penalty offense. Don't try to emotionalize your argument by acting like this is tantamount to breaking into my home with the intent of raping my wife and killing my children. Stick to logic and facts. The fact is this is an expensive and ultimately ineffective boondoggle. Logic dictates that this is not the answer since this wall isn't going to keep determined people out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 14, 2017 #150 Share Posted July 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, aztek said: lets put it to a vote,. i have no issue with that Really? lets start with the one in the Tinkerbell shirt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now