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54 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Yes, we're in agreement about that. It isn't one thing (like ice melt) in any one place.

While it isn’t all one thing sea level rise is the MAJORITY of what the answer is and the main thing is NOT your sea bottoms lowering as you presented earlier. On that much we should be in agreement.

BTW, glacial melt adds to sea level globally while it’s the local conditions that determine how that melt will change things locally. 

Quit trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. 

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On 23/11/2018 at 6:52 AM, cormac mac airt said:

The 20 cm difference is determined by geodetic levelling from one side to the other. This levelling follows a 'level' surface which will be parallel to the geoid (see FAQ #1). The 20 cm difference at Panama is not unique. There are similar 'jumps' elsewhere e.g. Skagerrak, Indonesian straits.

The difference between Skagerrak and Kattegat is actually very visible and is a major tourist attraction. The currents are so strong that it is prohibited to swim in the area, it is however allowed to go a short distance into the sea and many people try to stand with one foot in either sea. (Yes  of course I've done that :P

It is basically where the North Sea meets the Baltic.

Grenen i Skagen, Danmark

The land in the area moves, as it is eroded on one side and sediments build up on the other. Due to the shifting sand there are no roads in the area and you have to use a special "bus" to get there.

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Edit: It also happens to be the northern most part of the country.

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The Continental Drift

58:5.1

The continental land drift continued. The earth’s core had become as dense and rigid as steel, being subjected to a pressure of almost 25,000 tons to the square inch, and owing to the enormous gravity pressure, it was and still is very hot in the deep interior. The temperature increases from the surface downward until at the center it is slightly above the surface temperature of the sun.

58:5.2

The outer one thousand miles of the earth’s mass consists principally of different kinds of rock. Underneath are the denser and heavier metallic elements. Throughout the early and preatmospheric ages the world was so nearly fluid in its molten and highly heated state that the heavier metals sank deep into the interior. Those found near the surface today represent the exudate of ancient volcanoes, later and extensive lava flows, and the more recent meteoric deposits.

58:5.3

The outer crust was about forty miles thick. This outer shell was supported by, and rested directly upon, a molten sea of basalt of varying thickness, a mobile layer of molten lava held under high pressure but always tending to flow hither and yon in equalization of shifting planetary pressures, thereby tending to stabilize the earth’s crust.

58:5.4

Even today the continents continue to float upon this noncrystallized cushiony sea of molten basalt. Were it not for this protective condition, the more severe earthquakes would literally shake the world to pieces. 

58:5.5

The lava layers of the earth’s crust, when cooled, form granite. The average density of Urantia is a little more than five and one-half times that of water; the density of granite is less than three times that of water. The earth’s core is twelve times as dense as water.

58:5.6

The sea bottoms are more dense than the land masses, and this is what keeps the continents above water. When the sea bottoms are extruded above the sea level, they are found to consist largely of basalt, a form of lava considerably heavier than the granite of the land masses. Again, if the continents were not lighter than the ocean beds, gravity would draw the edges of the oceans up onto the land, but such phenomena are not observable.

58:5.7

The weight of the oceans is also a factor in the increase of pressure on the sea beds. The lower but comparatively heavier ocean beds, plus the weight of the overlying water, approximate the weight of the higher but much lighter continents. But all continents tend to creep into the oceans. The continental pressure at ocean-bottom levels is about 20,000 pounds to the square inch. That is, this would be the pressure of a continental mass standing 15,000 feet above the ocean floor. The ocean-floor water pressure is only about 5,000 pounds to the square inch. These differential pressures tend to cause the continents to slide toward the ocean beds.

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Depression of the ocean bottom during the prelife ages had upthrust a solitary continental land mass to such a height that its lateral pressure tended to cause the eastern, western, and southern fringes to slide downhill, over the underlying semiviscous lava beds, into the waters of the surrounding ocean. This so fully compensated the continental pressure that a wide break did not occur on the eastern shore of this ancient Asiatic continent, but ever since has that eastern coast line hovered over the precipice of its adjoining oceanic depths, threatening to slide into a watery grave.

 

 

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Will, you should provide a link to your source above, assuming it’s not your original work. To not do so is plagiarism. 

—Jaylemurph 

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23 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Will, you should provide a link to your source above, assuming it’s not your original work. To not do so is plagiarism. 

—Jaylemurph 

 

Sorry. Here you go.

 

 

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On 22/11/2018 at 10:34 PM, jaylemurph said:

That's funny. Even your sacred cow of the Bible is pretty explicit that he favored the Jews.

Today we call that "favoritism."

--Jaylemurph

URANTIA: 92:3.2B '... [Religion] has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion. ...'

And sorry, Guys, i didn't have a computer until today, and i don't write fast with phones nor tablets.

i'll be able to write more often now...

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16 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

The Continental Drift

58:5.1

The continental land drift continued. The earth’s core had become as dense and rigid as steel, being subjected to a pressure of almost 25,000 tons to the square inch, and owing to the enormous gravity pressure, it was and still is very hot in the deep interior. The temperature increases from the surface downward until at the center it is slightly above the surface temperature of the sun.

58:5.2

The outer one thousand miles of the earth’s mass consists principally of different kinds of rock. Underneath are the denser and heavier metallic elements. Throughout the early and preatmospheric ages the world was so nearly fluid in its molten and highly heated state that the heavier metals sank deep into the interior. Those found near the surface today represent the exudate of ancient volcanoes, later and extensive lava flows, and the more recent meteoric deposits.

58:5.3

The outer crust was about forty miles thick. This outer shell was supported by, and rested directly upon, a molten sea of basalt of varying thickness, a mobile layer of molten lava held under high pressure but always tending to flow hither and yon in equalization of shifting planetary pressures, thereby tending to stabilize the earth’s crust.

58:5.4

Even today the continents continue to float upon this noncrystallized cushiony sea of molten basalt. Were it not for this protective condition, the more severe earthquakes would literally shake the world to pieces. 

58:5.5

The lava layers of the earth’s crust, when cooled, form granite. The average density of Urantia is a little more than five and one-half times that of water; the density of granite is less than three times that of water. The earth’s core is twelve times as dense as water.

58:5.6

The sea bottoms are more dense than the land masses, and this is what keeps the continents above water. When the sea bottoms are extruded above the sea level, they are found to consist largely of basalt, a form of lava considerably heavier than the granite of the land masses. Again, if the continents were not lighter than the ocean beds, gravity would draw the edges of the oceans up onto the land, but such phenomena are not observable.

58:5.7

The weight of the oceans is also a factor in the increase of pressure on the sea beds. The lower but comparatively heavier ocean beds, plus the weight of the overlying water, approximate the weight of the higher but much lighter continents. But all continents tend to creep into the oceans. The continental pressure at ocean-bottom levels is about 20,000 pounds to the square inch. That is, this would be the pressure of a continental mass standing 15,000 feet above the ocean floor. The ocean-floor water pressure is only about 5,000 pounds to the square inch. These differential pressures tend to cause the continents to slide toward the ocean beds.

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Depression of the ocean bottom during the prelife ages had upthrust a solitary continental land mass to such a height that its lateral pressure tended to cause the eastern, western, and southern fringes to slide downhill, over the underlying semiviscous lava beds, into the waters of the surrounding ocean. This so fully compensated the continental pressure that a wide break did not occur on the eastern shore of this ancient Asiatic continent, but ever since has that eastern coast line hovered over the precipice of its adjoining oceanic depths, threatening to slide into a watery grave.

The study of Plate Tectonics superseded Wegner's Continental Drift theory many decades ago (circa 1950s and 1960s). Much of what Wegner hypothesized has been shown to be incorrect so promoting Continental Drift now is embarassingly inadequate to any discussion. 

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18 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

The study of Plate Tectonics superseded Wegner's Continental Drift theory many decades ago (circa 1950s and 1960s). Much of what Wegner hypothesized has been shown to be incorrect so promoting Continental Drift now is embarassingly inadequate to any discussion. 

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As an aside from the discussion about the land and sea bottoms we've been having, I thought I'd post what follows "The Continental Drift" in Paper 58 of the Urantia Book. 

Note what the author of the paper says about the missing links.

 

6. The Transition Period

58:6.1

450,000,000 years ago the transition from vegetable to animal life occurred. This metamorphosis took place in the shallow waters of the sheltered tropic bays and lagoons of the extensive shore lines of the separating continents. And this development, all of which was inherent in the original life patterns, came about gradually. There were many transitional stages between the early primitive vegetable forms of life and the later well-defined animal organisms. Even today the transition slime molds persist, and they can hardly be classified either as plants or as animals.

58:6.2

Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called “missing links” will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed.

58:6.3

From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly.

58:6.4

The sudden appearance of new species and diversified orders of living organisms is wholly biologic, strictly natural. There is nothing supernatural connected with these genetic mutations.

58:6.5

At the proper degree of saltiness in the oceans animal life evolved, and it was comparatively simple to allow the briny waters to circulate through the animal bodies of marine life. But when the oceans were contracted and the percentage of salt was greatly increased, these same animals evolved the ability to reduce the saltiness of their body fluids just as those organisms which learned to live in fresh water acquired the ability to maintain the proper degree of sodium chloride in their body fluids by ingenious techniques of salt conservation.

58:6.6

Study of the rock-embraced fossils of marine life reveals the early adjustment struggles of these primitive organisms. Plants and animals never cease to make these adjustment experiments. Ever the environment is changing, and always are living organisms striving to accommodate themselves to these never-ending fluctuations.

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The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the adjutant mind-spirits in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.

58:6.8

Through almost endless cycles of gains and losses, adjustments and readjustments, all living organisms swing back and forth from age to age. Those that attain cosmic unity persist, while those that fall short of this goal cease to exist.

 

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15 minutes ago, Will Due said:

As an aside from the discussion about the land and sea bottoms we've been having, I thought I'd post what follows "The Continental Drift" in Paper 58 of the Urantia Book. 

Note what the author of the paper says about the missing links.

 

6. The Transition Period

58:6.1

450,000,000 years ago the transition from vegetable to animal life occurred. This metamorphosis took place in the shallow waters of the sheltered tropic bays and lagoons of the extensive shore lines of the separating continents. And this development, all of which was inherent in the original life patterns, came about gradually. There were many transitional stages between the early primitive vegetable forms of life and the later well-defined animal organisms. Even today the transition slime molds persist, and they can hardly be classified either as plants or as animals.

58:6.2

Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called “missing links” will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed.

58:6.3

From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly.

58:6.4

The sudden appearance of new species and diversified orders of living organisms is wholly biologic, strictly natural. There is nothing supernatural connected with these genetic mutations.

58:6.5

At the proper degree of saltiness in the oceans animal life evolved, and it was comparatively simple to allow the briny waters to circulate through the animal bodies of marine life. But when the oceans were contracted and the percentage of salt was greatly increased, these same animals evolved the ability to reduce the saltiness of their body fluids just as those organisms which learned to live in fresh water acquired the ability to maintain the proper degree of sodium chloride in their body fluids by ingenious techniques of salt conservation.

58:6.6

Study of the rock-embraced fossils of marine life reveals the early adjustment struggles of these primitive organisms. Plants and animals never cease to make these adjustment experiments. Ever the environment is changing, and always are living organisms striving to accommodate themselves to these never-ending fluctuations.

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The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the adjutant mind-spirits in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.

58:6.8

Through almost endless cycles of gains and losses, adjustments and readjustments, all living organisms swing back and forth from age to age. Those that attain cosmic unity persist, while those that fall short of this goal cease to exist.

 

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And it's wrong, but then you don't really care do you? 

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14 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

And it's wrong, but then you don't really care do you? 

cormac

 

Here's the last part of Paper 58.

 

7. The Geologic History Book

58:7.1

The vast group of rock systems which constituted the outer crust of the world during the life-dawn or Proterozoic era does not now appear at many points on the earth’s surface. And when it does emerge from below all the accumulations of subsequent ages, there will be found only the fossil remains of vegetable and early primitive animal life. Some of these older water-deposited rocks are commingled with subsequent layers, and sometimes they yield fossil remains of some of the earlier forms of vegetable life, while on the topmost layers occasionally may be found some of the more primitive forms of the early marine-animal organisms. In many places these oldest stratified rock layers, bearing the fossils of the early marine life, both animal and vegetable, may be found directly on top of the older undifferentiated stone.

58:7.2

Fossils of this era yield algae, corallike plants, primitive Protozoa, and spongelike transition organisms. But the absence of such fossils in the early rock layers does not necessarily prove that living things were not elsewhere in existence at the time of their deposition. Life was sparse throughout these early times and only slowly made its way over the face of the earth.

58:7.3

The rocks of this olden age are now at the earth’s surface, or very near the surface, over about one eighth of the present land area. The average thickness of this transition stone, the oldest stratified rock layers, is about one and one-half miles. At some points these ancient rock systems are as much as four miles thick, but many of the layers which have been ascribed to this era belong to later periods.

58:7.4

In North America this ancient and primitive fossil-bearing stone layer comes to the surface over the eastern, central, and northern regions of Canada. There is also an intermittent east-west ridge of this rock which extends from Pennsylvania and the ancient Adirondack Mountains on west through Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Other ridges run from Newfoundland to Alabama and from Alaska to Mexico.

58:7.5

The rocks of this era are exposed here and there all over the world, but none are so easy of interpretation as those about Lake Superior and in the Grand Canyon of the Colorado River, where these primitive fossil-bearing rocks, existing in several layers, testify to the upheavals and surface fluctuations of those faraway times.

58:7.6

This stone layer, the oldest fossil-bearing stratum in the crust of the earth, has been crumpled, folded, and grotesquely twisted as a result of the upheavals of earthquakes and the early volcanoes. The lava flows of this age brought much iron, copper, and lead up near the planetary surface.

58:7.7

There are few places on the earth where such activities are more graphically shown than in the St. Croix valley of Wisconsin. In this region there occurred one hundred and twenty-seven successive lava flows on land with succeeding water submergence and consequent rock deposition. Although much of the upper rock sedimentation and intermittent lava flow is absent today, and though the bottom of this system is buried deep in the earth, nevertheless, about sixty-five or seventy of these stratified records of past ages are now exposed to view.

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In these early ages when much land was near sea level, there occurred many successive submergences and emergences. The earth’s crust was just entering upon its later period of comparative stabilization. The undulations, rises and dips, of the earlier continental drift contributed to the frequency of the periodic submergence of the great land masses.

58:7.9

During these times of primitive marine life, extensive areas of the continental shores sank beneath the seas from a few feet to half a mile. Much of the older sandstone and conglomerates represents the sedimentary accumulations of these ancient shores. The sedimentary rocks belonging to this early stratification rest directly upon those layers which date back far beyond the origin of life, back to the early appearance of the world-wide ocean.

58:7.10

Some of the upper layers of these transition rock deposits contain small amounts of shale or slate of dark colors, indicating the presence of organic carbon and testifying to the existence of the ancestors of those forms of plant life which overran the earth during the succeeding Carboniferous or coal age. Much of the copper in these rock layers results from water deposition. Some is found in the cracks of the older rocks and is the concentrate of the sluggish swamp water of some ancient sheltered shore line. The iron mines of North America and Europe are located in deposits and extrusions lying partly in the older unstratified rocks and partly in these later stratified rocks of the transition periods of life formation.

58:7.11

This era witnesses the spread of life throughout the waters of the world; marine life has become well established on Urantia. The bottoms of the shallow and extensive inland seas are being gradually overrun by a profuse and luxuriant growth of vegetation, while the shore-line waters are swarming with the simple forms of animal life.

58:7.12

All of this story is graphically told within the fossil pages of the vast “stone book” of world record. And the pages of this gigantic biogeologic record unfailingly tell the truth if you but acquire skill in their interpretation. Many of these ancient sea beds are now elevated high upon land, and their deposits of age upon age tell the story of the life struggles of those early days. It is literally true, as your poet has said, “The dust we tread upon was once alive.”

58:7.13

[Presented by a member of the Urantia Life Carrier Corps now resident on the planet.]

 

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Because I've taken the last three parts of Paper 58 out of the context of the whole, here's the link to it from its beginning.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

This thread looks like a discussion on one side and preaching on the other.

But somebody has to balance the BS with reality. :)

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2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

But somebody has to balance the BS with reality. :)

cormac

Should I call you a Woo Plumber from here on out?

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16 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Here's the last part of Paper 58.

 

7. The Geologic History Book

58:7.1

The vast group of rock systems which constituted the outer crust of the world during the life-dawn or Proterozoic era does not now appear at many points on the earth’s surface. And when it does emerge from below all the accumulations of subsequent ages, there will be found only the fossil remains of vegetable and early primitive animal life. Some of these older water-deposited rocks are commingled with subsequent layers, and sometimes they yield fossil remains of some of the earlier forms of vegetable life, while on the topmost layers occasionally may be found some of the more primitive forms of the early marine-animal organisms. In many places these oldest stratified rock layers, bearing the fossils of the early marine life, both animal and vegetable, may be found directly on top of the older undifferentiated stone.

58:7.2

Fossils of this era yield algae, corallike plants, primitive Protozoa, and spongelike transition organisms. But the absence of such fossils in the early rock layers does not necessarily prove that living things were not elsewhere in existence at the time of their deposition. Life was sparse throughout these early times and only slowly made its way over the face of the earth.

58:7.3

The rocks of this olden age are now at the earth’s surface, or very near the surface, over about one eighth of the present land area. The average thickness of this transition stone, the oldest stratified rock layers, is about one and one-half miles. At some points these ancient rock systems are as much as four miles thick, but many of the layers which have been ascribed to this era belong to later periods.

58:7.4

In North America this ancient and primitive fossil-bearing stone layer comes to the surface over the eastern, central, and northern regions of Canada. There is also an intermittent east-west ridge of this rock which extends from Pennsylvania and the ancient Adirondack Mountains on west through Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Other ridges run from Newfoundland to Alabama and from Alaska to Mexico.

58:7.5

The rocks of this era are exposed here and there all over the world, but none are so easy of interpretation as those about Lake Superior and in the Grand Canyon of the Colorado River, where these primitive fossil-bearing rocks, existing in several layers, testify to the upheavals and surface fluctuations of those faraway times.

58:7.6

This stone layer, the oldest fossil-bearing stratum in the crust of the earth, has been crumpled, folded, and grotesquely twisted as a result of the upheavals of earthquakes and the early volcanoes. The lava flows of this age brought much iron, copper, and lead up near the planetary surface.

58:7.7

There are few places on the earth where such activities are more graphically shown than in the St. Croix valley of Wisconsin. In this region there occurred one hundred and twenty-seven successive lava flows on land with succeeding water submergence and consequent rock deposition. Although much of the upper rock sedimentation and intermittent lava flow is absent today, and though the bottom of this system is buried deep in the earth, nevertheless, about sixty-five or seventy of these stratified records of past ages are now exposed to view.

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In these early ages when much land was near sea level, there occurred many successive submergences and emergences. The earth’s crust was just entering upon its later period of comparative stabilization. The undulations, rises and dips, of the earlier continental drift contributed to the frequency of the periodic submergence of the great land masses.

58:7.9

During these times of primitive marine life, extensive areas of the continental shores sank beneath the seas from a few feet to half a mile. Much of the older sandstone and conglomerates represents the sedimentary accumulations of these ancient shores. The sedimentary rocks belonging to this early stratification rest directly upon those layers which date back far beyond the origin of life, back to the early appearance of the world-wide ocean.

58:7.10

Some of the upper layers of these transition rock deposits contain small amounts of shale or slate of dark colors, indicating the presence of organic carbon and testifying to the existence of the ancestors of those forms of plant life which overran the earth during the succeeding Carboniferous or coal age. Much of the copper in these rock layers results from water deposition. Some is found in the cracks of the older rocks and is the concentrate of the sluggish swamp water of some ancient sheltered shore line. The iron mines of North America and Europe are located in deposits and extrusions lying partly in the older unstratified rocks and partly in these later stratified rocks of the transition periods of life formation.

58:7.11

This era witnesses the spread of life throughout the waters of the world; marine life has become well established on Urantia. The bottoms of the shallow and extensive inland seas are being gradually overrun by a profuse and luxuriant growth of vegetation, while the shore-line waters are swarming with the simple forms of animal life.

58:7.12

All of this story is graphically told within the fossil pages of the vast “stone book” of world record. And the pages of this gigantic biogeologic record unfailingly tell the truth if you but acquire skill in their interpretation. Many of these ancient sea beds are now elevated high upon land, and their deposits of age upon age tell the story of the life struggles of those early days. It is literally true, as your poet has said, “The dust we tread upon was once alive.”

58:7.13

[Presented by a member of the Urantia Life Carrier Corps now resident on the planet.]

 

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Because I've taken the last three parts of Paper 58 out of the context of the whole, here's the link to it from its beginning.

 

 

Taking pages from what is predominantly factually incorrect doesn't help your argument in the least. It makes you look extremely uninformed and gullible. Is that what you're striving for? 

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3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Should I call you a Woo Plumber from here on out?

Just don't call me late for supper, or a last round of drinks. :lol:

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18 hours ago, Luis Marco said:

URANTIA: 92:3.2B '... [Religion] has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion. ...'

And sorry, Guys, i didn't have a computer until today, and i don't write fast with phones nor tablets.

i'll be able to write more often now...

Look, I could sit here all day and quote the scriptures of Our Past Basset Masters, but as it is written, “Only people whose parents both engage in deviant sexual activities with the dead listen not to the words of the Hounds; only the Urania Book is worse than the folly of ignorance.”

—Jaylemurph 

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10 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Look, I could sit here all day and quote the scriptures of Our Past Basset Masters, but as it is written, “Only people whose parents both engage in deviant sexual activities with the dead listen not to the words of the Hounds; only the Urania Book is worse than the folly of ignorance.”

—Jaylemurph 

Whatever.

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4 minutes ago, Luis Marco said:

Whatever.

What, you’re the only person ever to discover spiritual truth? Just because mine is drooly and wrinkly with soft, velvety ears, it isn’t equally valid?

Seems like all the “spiritual” people here don’t seem concerned in being decent people. 

—Jaylemurph 

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1 minute ago, jaylemurph said:

Seems like all the “spiritual” people here don’t seem concerned in being decent people. 

—Jaylemurph 

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this. 

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Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this. 

Well, really, what is spirituality other than a sledge hammer to beat over the head of other people?

” *I*  believe X, so I’m better than you!” Followed, of course, by “You don’t believe X, so I’d better kill you.”

—Jaylemurph 

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4 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Well, really, what is spirituality other than a sledge hammer to beat over the head of other people?

” *I*  believe X, so I’m better than you!” Followed, of course, by “You don’t believe X, so I’d better kill you.”

—Jaylemurph 

Spirituality to me is supposed to be about personal evolution, the refinement of our better qualities. For the most part, all I see are people to entrenched in their own fantasy world. To the point where they have lost some of their humanity. Gaining my ego than humbleness.

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47 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Well, really, what is spirituality other than a sledge hammer to beat over the head of other people?

” *I*  believe X, so I’m better than you!” Followed, of course, by “You don’t believe X, so I’d better kill you.”

—Jaylemurph 

 

39 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Spirituality to me is supposed to be about personal evolution, the refinement of our better qualities. For the most part, all I see are people to entrenched in their own fantasy world. To the point where they have lost some of their humanity. Gaining my ego than humbleness.

I never said you must or should believe URANTIA, i'll try to convince sometimes, but not enforce nor 'kill' Anyone.

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45 minutes ago, Luis Marco said:

 

I never said you must or should believe URANTIA, i'll try to convince sometimes, but not enforce nor 'kill' Anyone.

I’m not suggesting you, solus, are getting up to murder. It takes a group for that. 

That said, the first thing any religion does it split the world into “us” and “them” groups. And that kind of thinking inevitably leads to demonizing the Other and provides a justification for whatever treatment that inflict on Them. 

—Jaylemurph 

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8 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

I’m not suggesting you, solus, are getting up to murder. It takes a group for that. 

That said, the first thing any religion does it split the world into “us” and “them” groups. And that kind of thinking inevitably leads to demonizing the Other and provides a justification for whatever treatment that inflict on Them. 

—Jaylemurph 

URANTIA reveals we are all brothers and sisters and friends and fellows and so on. (...) :yes:

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