Russia probes kick into high gear

[ian hacktorp]

15 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

WASHINGTON — The president’s lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation, John Dowd, resigned on Thursday, according to two people briefed on the matter, days after the president called for an end to the inquiry.

Mr. Dowd, who took over the president’s legal team last summer, had considered leaving several times in recent months and ultimately concluded that Mr. Trump was increasingly ignoring his advice, one of the people said. Under Mr. Dowd’s leadership, Mr. Trump’s lawyers had advised him to cooperate with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is investigating Russia’s election interference and possible ties to Trump associates as well as whether the president obstructed the inquiry.

Source: New York Times

You forgot to add the part where NYT completely contradicts itself.  Right after suggesting Trump's lawyers urged him to "cooperate" with Mueller, they admit this:

"(Trump) has insisted he should sit for an interview with the special counsel’s office, even though Mr. Dowd believed it was a bad idea."

NYT is having trouble keeping its Fake News narrative straight...

 

[RAyMO]

2 hours ago, Merc14 said:

I believe Hillary spent roughly twice teh amount on the 2016 campaign than Trump yet no one is losing their minds over that.  Why?

Its not the money - especially not the declared money - it was what was done with it.

[RAyMO]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Its entirely plausible that millions of illegals voted, but they don't care about that either. Go figure.

I thought Trump started an investigation into this, but maybe not - if there is evidence then action should be taken and safe guards put in place to stop such people voting.

But in reality this is a different issue from the Russian probe. No reason why Trump cannot establish an inquiry to get to the bottom of it though.

[Tiggs]

40 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

You forgot to add the part where NYT completely contradicts itself.  Right after suggesting Trump's lawyers urged him to "cooperate" with Mueller, they admit this:

"(Trump) has insisted he should sit for an interview with the special counsel’s office, even though Mr. Dowd believed it was a bad idea."

NYT is having trouble keeping its Fake News narrative straight...

Hopefully he will, then. Now Dowd's not there to stop him, and all.

[Merc14]

1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

Its not the money - especially not the declared money - it was what was done with it.

You mean data mining Facebook data?  Hillary didn't data moine Facebook like Obama before her?  

[Hankenhunter]

George Nader flees the U.S  Hmmm. That's not at all suspicious. Lol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5527313/George-Nader-key-witness-Muellers-Russia-probe-FLEES-US.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Hank

[Vorg]

10 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

IDK I think thus far Preacherman's views while maybe a day or two ahead of the group have generally stayed with the majority. The chorus of folks crying for Sessions and Mueller to be fired seems to be growing by the day so maybe its not at the full 30% point yet but its got to be close.

For what its worth the last time I looked at the poll on drudgereport.com the other day it was something like 74% in favor of firing Mueller. 

We've been saying all along Sessions was a bad choice. I think Sessions was staying low, distancing himself from Trump in case Trump did get impeached or something, that way he might be able to keep his job. Seems more like a weasel to me.

[ian hacktorp]

4 hours ago, Tiggs said:

Hopefully he will, then. Now Dowd's not there to stop him, and all.

Yes, and now that Trump has hired Joe diGenova, it looks like Trump may go on the offensive...and in a big way.

diGenova's wife, Victoria Toensing, is also a DC heavy-hitter lawyer who represents FBI whistleblower William Campbell...a man who claims to have information directly implicating Robert Mueller in the Uranium 1 scandal.  She will be able to deliver that information straight into the Oval Office.

Look for Mueller to be exposed as being hopelessly conflicted for all the world to see.  He will either recuse himself, or hear the words "You're fired".  Trump won't lose this one.

[Hankenhunter]

49 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Yes, and now that Trump has hired Joe diGenova, it looks like Trump may go on the offensive...and in a big way.

diGenova's wife, Victoria Toensing, is also a DC heavy-hitter lawyer who represents FBI whistleblower William Campbell...a man who claims to have information directly implicating Robert Mueller in the Uranium 1 scandal.  She will be able to deliver that information straight into the Oval Office.

Look for Mueller to be exposed as being hopelessly conflicted for all the world to see.  He will either recuse himself, or hear the words "You're fired".  Trump won't lose this one.

You really think that Mueller will leave easily? The man is a war hero and a true patriot. Do you believe that it's over if he is fired? I'm willing to bet that he has numerous failsafes and contingencies in place. I fully expect him to hand eveything over to state prosecutors where Trump will be helpless to Intervene. Either way, him and his crooked family are going down and taking the Repubs with him. Sorry to spoil your party.

Hank

 

[ExpandMyMind]

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Ah, so saying pushing a former CIA director is possibly deadly is to be considered.

But, saying the same about a Clinton is a Conspiracy Theory?

Not deadly (at least that wasn't what I meant), rather he would have access to incredible resources and Intel. 

And yes, saying that about Clinton is by definition a conspiracy theory.

[ian hacktorp]

13 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

The man is a war hero and a true patriot

No.  The man is a criminal and traitor.

That's according to 75% of US citizens who believe he should be fired.  And the full rap on Mueller has yet to be revealed.

[ian hacktorp]

16 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

You really think that Mueller will leave easily? The man is a war hero and a true patriot. Do you believe that it's over if he is fired? I'm willing to bet that he has numerous failsafes and contingencies in place. I fully expect him to hand eveything over to state prosecutors where Trump will be helpless to Intervene. Either way, him and his crooked family are going down and taking the Repubs with him. Sorry to spoil your party.

Hank

 

With Mueller gone, the political will to keep the investigation-cum-witchhunt going evaporates like a f@rt in the wind.

Just watch.

[Harte]

12 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

We've got espionage, public insults, political intrigue, a reality TV star, a pornstar who's allegedly been physically threatened to stay quiet, family drama, a mercenary , now all we need is for a long lost relative to turn up alive and this sucker surely gets an emmy right? 

It's been done. They named a beer after him.

Harte

[Tiggs]

U.S. investigators have reportedly discovered that "Guccifer 2.0," the hacker who claimed credit for a breach of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) during the 2016 election, revealed himself as a Russian intelligence operative.

The Daily Beast reports that U.S. investigators identified the hacker as a Moscow-based Russian intelligence operative after the hacker failed to activate a virtual private networking (VPN) service meant to obscure the operative's location before logging on.

The result was the operative's Moscow IP address being caught in the logs of a U.S. social media company, allowing U.S. investigators to track the individual.

Source: The Hill

[Tiggs]

^^ Potentially related.

[Hankenhunter]

Looks like Roger Stone has some splainin to do. Whooee, am I getting stuffed from all these nothing burgers. Might have to go on a diet. *unbuckles belt two notches*

Hank

[Astra.]

I'm curious to know, in how will they go about indicting these hackers from Russia to actually stand trial though ?..

[Tiggs]

7 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Looks like Roger Stone has some splainin to do.

Not just Stone. Guccifer 2 is Assange's source.

He's also the guy that gave the Florida GOP 2.5gb of stolen DNC information, including voter turnout models.

[Hankenhunter]

6 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

Not just Stone. Guccifer 2 is Assange's source.

He's also the guy that gave the Florida GOP 2.5gb of stolen DNC information, including voter turnout models.

Aaron Nevins has been a bad boy. Basicly invited Guccifer to the party. I had an inkling that  Guccifer was involved with Assange, but was reluctant to bringing up and being called a conspiracy theorist. Good catch Tiggs.

Hank

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, Astra. said:

I'm curious to know, in how will they go about indicting these hackers from Russia to actually stand trial though ?..

If they make a misstep and travel to a country where the US can have them arrested to be sent to the US for trial, it is possible.  Even more unlikely is a CIA rendition, but I highly doubt that will happen.  The most likely thing is that they just stay in Russia with the knowledge that they have warrants issued for them should they leave. 

[+DieChecker]

6 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Not deadly (at least that wasn't what I meant), rather he would have access to incredible resources and Intel. 

And yes, saying that about Clinton is by definition a conspiracy theory.

Good to see you are at least sticking to your guns and not throwing your former candidate under the bus. Though I still think you are wrong. A Clinton is equally as dangerous as a former CIA chief. 

[+DieChecker]

14 hours ago, Tiggs said:

Mueller's investigation isn't primarily focused on the Trump campaign (gangs). It's focused on Russian interference (burglaries).

Huh? I thought it was written right there in black and white?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

Quote

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

It is the number one issue in what he is authorized to look into. How is that not the primary focus?

[Tiggs]

19 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Huh? I thought it was written right there in black and white?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

It is the number one issue in what he is authorized to look into. How is that not the primary focus?

I hear that b comes before b1 -- and b is the counterintelligence investigation into the Russian Government's interference in the 2016 Presidential Election.

b1 is included as part of that investigation. Not the focus.

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Tiggs said:

I hear that b comes before b1 -- and b is the counterintelligence investigation into the Russian Government's interference in the 2016 Presidential Election.

b1 is included as part of that investigation. Not the focus.

That is the biggest bit of a nit pick that I've seen in a couple months. 

Come on, I know that you have loyalty, and are self bound to defend this whole circus, but really......

[+and-then]

22 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

You know that the more people try to contrive a link - look! Russia! Putin! Trump! Russia! Trump! Put In! - to fit everything into their premanufactured conspiracy, the less and less seriously anyone who's not invested well over a year now of their time in avidly following this Conspiracy-that-Never-Ends will take it, and will just toss it aside with disdain as yet another desperate attempt to contrive some sort of evidence to make all this waste of time worthwhile? It's really counterproductive. Hint: give up the Russian Conspiracy angle. Everyone's thoroughly bored of it by now. Try to concentrate on something that people might be more willing to not just shrug and move onto the next story. I'm saying this to try to be helpful, I really am. 

The more intelligent among them have understood this for quite awhile.  That's why Herr Mueller is building his "obstruction" case.  Ultimately, the only one who will cause Trump to fall will be Trump.  He's the only one who can alienate his base sufficiently to make himself vulnerable to Republicans.