XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #251 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Aquila King said: Yeah, well, I may just be tired of what seems to be apparent futility atm... Changing the culture expends a lot of energy, and it's hard to find motivation in a sea of negative feedback... You can't change people point of view. Only they can change it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 12, 2017 #252 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: I say "god is an idea" and people lose their minds. They freak out as if I've mortally wounded their ego. I can back most if not all of my perspective up with links. YEah, that kinda puzzles me a lot too ... Quote ~ "In The Beginning Was the Word" : A Study of the Logos Doctrine ancientroadpublications.com/Studies/BiblicalStudies/Logos.html “In The Beginning Was the Word” A Study of the Logos Doctrine By Kyle Pope. The gospel of John begins with a series of declarations about Jesus' deity and ... ~ The Meaning of 'Logos' in the Prologue of John's Gospel www.bible-researcher.com › Interpretation The word λόγος (logos) in the prologue of John's Gospel is a word with a very interesting history in ancient theological writings. It is translated 'Word' in English ... ~ In more than a matter of definition Logos = Idea Quote ~ Logos - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, from λέγω lego "I say") is a term in western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word meaning "ground", "plea", "opinion", "expectation", "word", "speech", "account", "reason", "proportion", "discourse", but it became a ... Ancient Greek philosophy · In Hellenistic Judaism · Christianity · Neoplatonism ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #253 Share Posted September 12, 2017 You can present your ideas, give suggestions, and express your point of view. However it's up to them to change their mind. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #254 Share Posted September 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, Aquila King said: Yeah, well, most of my frustration here is spilling over from another forum. I just wrote basically a damn book's worth of information, then I get hit with a **** ton of posts openly denigrating it all without ever even clicking the links and reading any of it. I'm 'bout to rage quit this whole shindig. Ahhh , come on man . Surely all that helped you to get your thoughts together and down in a 'paper' . Now you have that . All is not lost . If I may speculate at the risk of being wrong ; Xeno had a similar experience, and he got his 'theory of the Magical Placebo effect' down . Look at what I studied . I put it down here sometimes ... mostly the same thing happens .... it just gets ignored. or torn apart ... Just because one poster argued with ya .... I know you can do it ; Spoiler 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #255 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: You can't change people point of view. Only they can change it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #256 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, back to earth said: Ahhh , come on man . Surely all that helped you to get your thoughts together and down in a 'paper' . Now you have that . All is not lost . If I may speculate at the risk of being wrong ; Xeno had a similar experience, and he got his 'theory of the Magical Placebo effect' down . Look at what I studied . I put it down here sometimes ... mostly the same thing happens .... it just gets ignored. or torn apart ... Just because one poster argued with ya .... I know you can do it ; Reveal hidden contents Good point. I'll save it all on word doc or something. At least I have it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #257 Share Posted September 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, third_eye said: THanks for an obscure word revival ...~seriousness ... an inexplicable mystery in its own right ~ " Flapdoodle " . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #258 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Another member suggested that I create a thread dedicated to what I've learned. So I did. It was good for the first few pages. My ideas were hashed out, refined. Then Walker wrecked it like he always does. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 12, 2017 #259 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, back to earth said: " Flapdoodle " . Good thing you had the 'L' in thar sonny ... ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #260 Share Posted September 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Clearly you aren't reading the words i am writing, but only the words you see in your mind as you read. I just explained all this simply and clearly. There are may types of readers on this forum That includes ttotal skeptics who wont believe anything. People who have an open mind and can be convinced by reasonable points and arguments. People who desperately want to believe and require no convincing . My posts are aimed at the middle group. Missed it by one . 33 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: But i am not here to convince, merely to keep telling a narrative which is as true as i can make it, based on my own experiences in life I do not have any obligation to convince but i do have an obligation to spread knowledge and understanding and to tell the truths i have learned in my life This is because of the empowerment and potential having such knowledge and understandings gives to any human being its like telling others about the benefits of exercise or a vegetarian diet or not smoking. Not my job to convince, but my duty to report/ No, you ARE trying to convince someone when you argue a point . Otherwise you would just 'report' things . Do you know what a reporter is . Do you know what an argument or a debate is ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #261 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Another member suggested that I create a thread dedicated to what I've learned. So I did. It was good for the first few pages. My ideas were hashed out, refined. Then Walker wrecked it like he always does. I'm sorry to hear that. And I'm also sorry that that made me laugh. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #262 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, Aquila King said: I'm sorry to hear that. And I'm also sorry that that made me laugh. It is what it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted September 12, 2017 #263 Share Posted September 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, Aquila King said: Yes, you're right. I think I've been putting a little too much effort into trying to convince others. It's only natural, being human and all, but I think I need to merely develop my own spirit and then merely express what I've learned, rather than trying to prove what I've learned all the time. Some of are interested. I want to hear from people.....in general. I know of people who can contort themselves into little boxes and stay there for days at a time. Certain monks can meditate on the slopes of the Himalayan mountains all night and experience zero problems, when most of us would have died of hypothermia after only hours. These are but a couple of countless examples of human capabilities, which are centered around some kind of belief or spirituality and they don't have the positive rush of dopamine, at least as I see it. Other people have gifts of healing or have experienced healings, and these types of things supersede the notion that all belief is tied to dopamine rush...again, IMHO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted September 12, 2017 #264 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Sherapy said: What were you like before? This is what has happened to me. Disappointment. And more disappointment. Then royal disappointment. Pain. Suffering. The bottom fell out. And again, always when I least expect it. Always when I least want to deal with it. This still occurs regularly and I've now embraced it as being an integral part of "The Way." I just keep being faithful no matter what. Because of faith, catastrophes became blessings. The more tragedy, the more I see why and what it's for, "trouble." For me, faith did not become real because good fortune found me. No. Instead faith is bolstered because when trouble finds me, I have learned from the time before, that I needed to be down face first. So it's how I've learned to walk and why I'm able to run. Pain, suffering and struggle has been good for my soul. I understand it. *** Everything though, my ability, has been mightily augmented by what I've read in that book. It has been an enormous boost and I doubt I would be where I'm at without it. But I do want to think that's not the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #265 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I will tell you one thing AK. Present your ideas. If they get ripped apart, good. Pick up the pieces and refine them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #266 Share Posted September 12, 2017 32 minutes ago, third_eye said: True to form ... I beheld my keyboard for the spasms ... just couldn't get the keys from wobbling ... ~ Comic consciousness 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #267 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: I will tell you one thing AK. Present your ideas. If they get ripped apart, good. Pick up the pieces and refine them. Thanks Xeno. Guess I'm just having one of those days... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #268 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Guyver said: Some of are interested. I want to hear from people.....in general. I know of people who can contort themselves into little boxes and stay there for days at a time. Certain monks can meditate on the slopes of the Himalayan mountains all night and experience zero problems, when most of us would have died of hypothermia after only hours. These are but a couple of countless examples of human capabilities, which are centered around some kind of belief or spirituality and they don't have the positive rush of dopamine, at least as I see it. Other people have gifts of healing or have experienced healings, and these types of things supersede the notion that all belief is tied to dopamine rush...again, IMHO. These things have a lot to do with the mind body connection and training. Healings are a placebo effect. When it comes to the monks, that's tummo breathing. Just now, Aquila King said: Thanks Xeno. Guess I'm just having one of those days... I have a lot of those days. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #269 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, back to earth said: Comic consciousness 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #270 Share Posted September 12, 2017 34 minutes ago, Aquila King said: Yeah, well, I may just be tired of what seems to be apparent futility atm... Changing the culture expends a lot of energy, and it's hard to find motivation in a sea of negative feedback... I have been enjoying your posts ! ... and ... Aquila King Member 340 (likes) 334 posts You running over 100% 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted September 12, 2017 #271 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Healings are a placebo effect. Or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 12, 2017 #272 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, back to earth said: I have been enjoying your posts ! ... and ... Aquila King Member 340 (likes) 334 posts You running over 100% 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 12, 2017 #273 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, Guyver said: Or not. I would love for you to present links that show where faith healing isn't a trigger for the placebo effect. I better not see the word quantum once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 12, 2017 #274 Share Posted September 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, Aquila King said: That looks like the new kata I been learning 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 12, 2017 #275 Share Posted September 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Aquila King said: Yeah, well, I may just be tired of what seems to be apparent futility atm... Changing the culture expends a lot of energy, and it's hard to find motivation in a sea of negative feedback... Seriously I understand . But, then again, have not our types become more and more accepted just in our lifetimes. Culture changes an inch a day. Stay invigorated, my friend! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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