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Real reason why manufacturing jobs disappear

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(Forgive me, I usually don't like to post videos as the main focus of the OP, but I felt it best in this case)

Border and logistics specialist Augie Picado just gave us a reality check about what global trade really looks like, and dispels the rumors that immigrants are ..."taking our jobs."

Watch him explain it all in this TED Talk: The Real Reason why Manufacturing Jobs are Disappearing

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You don't need a video to tell you that ridiculously one sided trade deals are responsible for the loss of manufacturing jobs. Top that off with the highest tax rate in the world, and libraries of regulations meant to kill manufacturers, and you have the perfect storm.

Other countries still way behind in labor laws, who put up suicide safety nets, like in China, have literal slaves making our toys doesn't help either

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Yeah, in the 90's I had a job running one of those machines he talks about.  I was making nearly $45k which was very good money for a long haired rocker and a good source of income for many people up and down the west coast.  Then the traitor Clinton signed NAFTA and that entire industry relocated. Not coincidentally electronics aren't nearly as dependable now as they were then.  So I don't care what this guy says.  They think they can put it in a TED talk and it becomes gospel, kind of like the now semi-dependable snopes.

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11 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

You don't need a video to tell you that ridiculously one sided trade deals are responsible for the loss of manufacturing jobs. Top that off with the highest tax rate in the world, and libraries of regulations meant to kill manufacturers, and you have the perfect storm.

Other countries still way behind in labor laws, who put up suicide safety nets, like in China, have literal slaves making our toys doesn't help either

Ah, look at the bright side.  That company that put up the safety nets to catch suicide jumpers in China is building a factory in the US!  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-foxconn-wisconsin/foxconn-announces-u-s-manufacturing-plant-in-wisconsin-idUSKBN1AB258

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yea, i do not buy his opinion either, just look at car manufacturers, the big 3, why do they  move factories out of usa, while dozen of "imports" do just the opposite? how can they build cars here and still be profitable, while big 3 could not, UAW. that is all you need to know.

we did not lose jobs to robots, we lost to regulations and unions. factories that moved out still employ people, my friend used to work for L'Oreal in nj, about 5-6 years ago they moved to mexico. he was offered position there, but he could not relocate, nor he wanted to. factory in mexico still employs as many people as they did in usa.  so his "robots took your jobs" is a myth.

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Real reason.. why pay someone 45k a year to do a job, when you can go over to another country and pay someone 6k to do the same job.. its all about the profit for the company and the share holders..

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The guy in the video DOES make it sound like no factories in the US have shut down, but have only increased automation. I doubt that is true to the extent he is proposing. 

Growing up in Oregon, I saw dozens, maybe hundreds of sawmills shutting down. They didn't shut down due to automation. They shut down because harvesting timber was too expensive. None the less, timber is still harvested and containerships of wood leave the harbors of the Pacific North West every day full of logs. Because making a chair out of wood in India, or the Philippines saves some small percentage of cost overall, rather the making the furniture here.

The argument that is is better to trade is naive, in that if it putts US citizens into poverty, forcing them to depend on the government charity, then a company saving that little bit is ONLY helping that company, not the US overall, as this guy is trying to imply.

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16 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

You don't need a video to tell you that ridiculously one sided trade deals are responsible for the loss of manufacturing jobs. Top that off with the highest tax rate in the world, and libraries of regulations meant to kill manufacturers, and you have the perfect storm.

Other countries still way behind in labor laws, who put up suicide safety nets, like in China, have literal slaves making our toys doesn't help either

One sided trade deals..but why?  One sided trade deals so we don't have to pay $20 for an item that cost 10 cents to make in the hopes that some unskilled, uneducated person can have a job tightening some screws.  No thanks.

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Two years ago, Brookings Institute said this was bunk. Who knows the motives, though, and a lot can happen in two years. 

We might not want to listen to corporate folks about this, who have a vested interest in PR. 

We should listen to MIT, and they're now saying this is a thing. 

"If you prevent that trade now, some of that production might come back, but the employment that comes back will not be for people, it will be for robots," says Acemoglu, the MIT professor."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjD6JS4_KnWAhXB1CYKHcctA_wQFghNMAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.cnn.com%2F2017%2F01%2F30%2Fnews%2Feconomy%2Fjobs-china-mexico-automation%2Findex.html&usg=AFQjCNH-VTSLM7-OZGtrZOz_Qr5eP7PNHQ

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Depends on the kind of manufacturing and Robotic Tech Levels involved, I've met people that have told me that most of the High Tech Manufacturing sectors can't settle in the US lately is due to the levels of literacy rates current and available lately in the employment market ...
 

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Updated May 12, 2016 ... Bakersfield earned the title of the least literate city in the U.S. in 2013, with only about 20% of residents calling themselves college ... Reading to kids early on can help to boost literacy rates over the long term.
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What are the literacy levels of adults, and how does the United States compare to other countries? ... 2016, Digest of Education Statistics 2015, Table 507.10.

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The fiddle diddle with the standards required to match the jobs with the population didn't quite work out either ...

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The Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC) is a cyclical, large-scale study that was developed under the auspices of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Adults were surveyed in 24 participating countries in 2012 and 9 additional countries in 2014.

The goal of PIAAC is to assess and compare the basic skills and the broad range of competencies of adults around the world. The assessment focuses on cognitive and workplace skills needed for successful participation in 21st-century society and the global economy. Specifically, PIAAC measures relationships between individuals' educational background, workplace experiences and skills, occupational attainment, use of information and communications technology, and cognitive skills in the areas of literacy, numeracy, and problem solving.

 

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1 minute ago, Agent0range said:

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A serious argument from the Right destroyed in one meme. Priceless.

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Umm... I think it's REALLY simple. 

For a given job, an American want's  a "living wage", perhaps healthcare, and legal (perhaps even constitutional) employment protection. 

A slave in Malaysia... or Pakistan... or China.. want's a days worth of food. OK... that's oversimplified... but not by MUCH. 

America abolished slavery.... the far East has not. 

And you want to TRADE with them ? 

Fine... OK..

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6 hours ago, Agent0range said:

One sided trade deals..but why?  One sided trade deals so we don't have to pay $20 for an item that cost 10 cents to make in the hopes that some unskilled, uneducated person can have a job tightening some screws.  No thanks.

This is one of my biggest gripes with how big corps function in our society and why some kind of capping profits and regulating lost jobs over seas...

The reason made in America used to be a big deal was things used to be made in factories from start to finish by human hands making competitive wages,people were proud of their jobs and the quality of their product that would hold up for years...

Now days we have companies like Nike who's profit margins are limitless on products that cost $3 to make using overseas slave labor to turn that $3 product into $300...i'm all for companies making profit but there is a right and wrong way to do so!

Some of our manufacturing problems are modern tech replacing jobs,some are jobs being sent over seas,some come down to our falling education and on the job training standards,and some come down to from one of the biggest complaints i've heard personally from people who run certain factories is finding workers who are dependable and can pass drug tests!

Hard to pinpoint just one area at a time without looking at the entire picture...

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Even in China workers are being replaced by robots.  Guess paying someone anything is too much.

Apple supplier Foxconn replaces 60,000 humans with robots in China

More and more people are going to be replaced by robots and it won't just be factories.  So yes I think robotics is hurting employment and I also think illegals take jobs away from citizens.  I think more is hurting us than just free trade agreements but they are also taking a bite out of the job market. 

Noticed the speaker in the OP video is the country manager for UPS Mexico.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

A serious argument from the Right destroyed in one meme. Priceless.

not in a slightest, it only shows racist nature of the poster, and stupidity of those who liked it

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6 hours ago, Agent0range said:

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at least he is looking to get a job, not welfare, and obama check

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36 minutes ago, aztek said:

not in a slightest, it only shows racist nature of the poster, and stupidity of those who liked it

Can you elaborate on how the meme is racist?  

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6 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Umm... I think it's REALLY simple. 

For a given job, an American want's  a "living wage", perhaps healthcare, and legal (perhaps even constitutional) employment protection. 

A slave in Malaysia... or Pakistan... or China.. want's a days worth of food. OK... that's oversimplified... but not by MUCH. 

America abolished slavery.... the far East has not. 

And you want to TRADE with them ? 

Fine... OK..

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i can do it all night, but you get the point

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Sure ... you can do it all year into the next millennia ... but you will still be missing the boat not to mention the point ...

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On 9/16/2017 at 9:16 AM, Agent0range said:

One sided trade deals..but why?  One sided trade deals so we don't have to pay $20 for an item that cost 10 cents to make in the hopes that some unskilled, uneducated person can have a job tightening some screws.  No thanks.

I personally would rather a person be able to pay their own way, then society having to pay the way for them. Your paying either way. Having the jobs here supports and strengthens the economy. Not having the jobs here drains the economy. This isn't rocket science. 

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19 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Umm... I think it's REALLY simple. 

For a given job, an American want's  a "living wage", perhaps healthcare, and legal (perhaps even constitutional) employment protection. 

A slave in Malaysia... or Pakistan... or China.. want's a days worth of food. OK... that's oversimplified... but not by MUCH. 

America abolished slavery.... the far East has not. 

And you want to TRADE with them ? 

Fine... OK..

Exactly. These people are literally supporting slavery, but it's ok they don't have to pay 20 dollars for something. Smh

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19 hours ago, Aquila King said:

A serious argument from the Right destroyed in one meme. Priceless.

A serious argument on the right?? That was a total straw man. No one thinks illegal immigrants are taking American manufacturing jobs lol. Not here in America anyway. 

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34 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

I personally would rather a person be able to pay their own way, then society having to pay the way for them. Your paying either way. Having the jobs here supports and strengthens the economy. Not having the jobs here drains the economy. This isn't rocket science. 

There ARE jobs here, there ARE NOT skilled workers here.  No, I don't want to pay more for my products so some uneducated fool with ZERO skills can have a job.  You don't want to pay for someone's healthcare, I don't want to pay for someones job.

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