Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 #1 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Discuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post XenoFish Posted September 17, 2017 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Invisig0th said: Discuss. Religion never changes, Science changes when new information is presented. Now I have to go pray before the altar of Sagan. I think you meant scientology. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Religion never changes, Science changes when new information is presented. Now I have to go pray before the altar of Sagan. I think you meant scientology. Religion never changes? I think you need to wander down to your uni's religion department and ask them about the development of Christianity. When it comes down to it, mainstream science, despite all its claims of objectivity, and despite the fact it attempts to lay claim to the truth, is itself a religion. Science places itself on a pedestal and assures everyone it has dispassionately arrived at its conclusions. Meanwhile, however, it is full of assumptions, denials and limitations, and makes the serious mistake of presenting its theories as facts. The errors of mainstream science are gladly seized upon by technocrats, eager to use science and technology to further their own ambitions of control, and include forcing the vaccine, GMO, surveillance, man-made global warming, geoengineering, SMART and micro-chipping agendas onto an unsuspecting public. Edited September 17, 2017 by Invisig0th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #4 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I guess it depends on how rigid the scientist is. I mean, there have been lots of scientists who held onto something long after everyone else was saying hey, you mucked that study up. And there have been times where there was a consensus about something and it turned out to be wrong. But at least it's a system that does allow for mistakes to be corrected. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post XenoFish Posted September 17, 2017 Popular Post #5 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How about if I'm just honest about the whole subject and say that I don't care. To be honest all this anti-science crap is why people are progressively becoming stupider. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, ChaosRose said: I guess it depends on how rigid the scientist is. I mean, there have been lots of scientists who held onto something long after everyone else was saying hey, you mucked that study up. And there have been times where there was a consensus about something and it turned out to be wrong. But at least it's a system that does allow for mistakes to be corrected. Ask Graham Hancock about how well the self-correcting system works. Every year there's another Göbekli Tepe that demonstrates modern archaeologists to be more and more wrong. And yet they cling to their dogma and tear down all dissenting viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 Popular Post #7 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Invisig0th said: Religion never changes? I think you need to wander down to your uni's religion department and ask them about the development of Christianity. When it comes down to it, mainstream science, despite all its claims of objectivity, and despite the fact it attempts to lay claim to the truth, is itself a religion. Science places itself on a pedestal and assures everyone it has dispassionately arrived at its conclusions. Meanwhile, however, it is full of assumptions, denials and limitations, and makes the serious mistake of presenting its theories as facts. The errors of mainstream science are gladly seized upon by technocrats, eager to use science and technology to further their own ambitions of control, and include forcing the vaccine, GMO, surveillance, man-made global warming, geoengineering, SMART and micro-chipping agendas onto an unsuspecting public. Wow...you are waaaay down the rabbit hole there. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #8 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: How about if I'm just honest about the whole subject and say that I don't care. To be honest all this anti-science crap is why people are progressively becoming stupider. Who said anything about anti-science? I'm pro-science. I'm vehemently against close-minded individuals who don't realize that they too are clinging to a belief system. We all pray to something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 17, 2017 #9 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Invisig0th said: hen it comes down to it, mainstream science, despite all its claims of objectivity, science never 'claims' anything> what are you talking about? do you know what the word 'claim' means? Edited September 17, 2017 by Dejarma 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #10 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I figure the scientific method isn't perfect, but what else have we got that's better? As long as we understand that there are questions science can't really help us with, it's all good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 17, 2017 #11 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Invisig0th said: You pray to the certainty of critical thinking and logic. That's not praying. It's called using my brain. I like to know things, factual things. Makes life easier. Yeah keep hating on science while you use that computer. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #12 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: That's not praying. It's called using my brain. I like to know things, factual things. Makes life easier. Yeah keep hating on science while you use that computer. Who decides what is factual? I'm serious. Let's break this down. You rely upon a notion of objectivity. Who determines what is or isn't objective? Your own perceptions? Collective peer-reviewed perceptions? Which peers? Which biases? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 17, 2017 #13 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Methinks the question teeters precariously on the thin precipice that is running out of the edge that juts out of 'faith' ~ Edited September 17, 2017 by third_eye coffee yet to come 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #14 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I get that whole gnosis thing you've got going on. The whole there are other ways of knowing idea. It's just that there's only so far down the rabbit hole you can go before you're having tea with the Mad Hatter. I think you're there, dude. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 17, 2017 #15 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How about we do this. I'm going to assume that you know electricity can kill or hurt you pretty bad, right? So let's experiment. Wrap both of your index fingers in tinfoil, make sure they have a pointy tip. Then shove them into a wall socket. Will you get shocked or not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: How about we do this. I'm going to assume that you know electricity can kill or hurt you pretty bad, right? So let's experiment. Wrap both of your index fingers in tinfoil, make sure they have a pointy tip. Then shove them into a wall socket. Will you get shocked or not? Why don't you respond to the questions I asked? No one in this thread is contesting whether electricity exists or whether one can be electrocuted. You're so wrapped up in being clever you're avoiding the call of the question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #17 Share Posted September 17, 2017 There are clearly questions science can't help us with, and people often look to religion for answers. Dogmatic organized religion just seems to make more problems, though. Better to be spiritually open-minded, but not so open-minded your brains fall out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #18 Share Posted September 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, Invisig0th said: Who decides what is factual? I'm serious. Let's break this down. You rely upon a notion of objectivity. Who determines what is or isn't objective? Your own perceptions? Collective peer-reviewed perceptions? Which peers? Which biases? 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Is there even a question? Sorry I wasn't paying attention. Evidently faith in the scientific method has not developed strong reading comprehension skills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #19 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'm just viewing it through different lenses, I guess. It seems to be a gnostic thing. There has been a lot of that floating around, lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #20 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: I'm just viewing it through different lenses, I guess. It seems to be a gnostic thing. There has been a lot of that floating around, lately. In what way? I've actually realized I have no idea of the true definition of Gnosis. Yes, it means knowledge, but is it an epiphany? Satori? A realization that something else underlies the material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #21 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Invisig0th said: In what way? I've actually realized I have no idea of the true definition of Gnosis. Yes, it means knowledge, but is it an epiphany? Satori? A realization that something else underlies the material? Well, there is gnosis and then there are Gnostics. Generally, you find that there are just people who think there are other ways of 'knowing' things...and in particular, things that science can't tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #22 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, ChaosRose said: Well, there is gnosis and then there are Gnostics. Generally, you find that there are just people who think there are other ways of 'knowing' things...and in particular, things that science can't tell us. Sounds as if you're describing the psychedelic experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 17, 2017 #23 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Invisig0th said: Sounds as if you're describing the psychedelic experience. Nah, it doesn't have to be that. I'm not a psychonaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted September 17, 2017 #24 Share Posted September 17, 2017 52 minutes ago, Invisig0th said: Discuss. Science is a religion? No. Science has evolved through time. Religion is based on dogma. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermai Posted September 17, 2017 Author #25 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: Nah, it doesn't have to be that. I'm not a psychonaut. Another example could be the meditative experience. When one goes deep into meditation, there are altered states achieved that words fail to describe. Direct experience is your only form of engagement with such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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