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President Trump Speech at 72nd U.N. assembly

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Aquila King
18 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

According to Bernie "the Communist" Sanders, everything is a right. Education is a right, health care, lottery tickets...

But as you so aptly noted, nothing is free. He wants a tax rate of 90% to cover the costs. To this entitled generation, it seems appealing and that is scary as hell.

I agree that there is a fair group of millennials with an entitlement complex, yes.

However it's dismissive to say that certain things are just from a lazy sense of entitlement, as that can literally be said about anything.

Women want the right to vote? Oh, what sense of entitlement they have! black people want to go to the same school as white people? They just feel entitled. For shame.

It's dismissive, as it doesn't present a real refutation of anything.

And as for the whole 'nothing is free' crap, yes, nothing is free. Except of course public parks, roads, bridges, our education system (K-12), police protection, military protection, social security protection, etc. etc. Yes they're all funded on taxpayer dollars and are therefore not technically 'free'. But they are provided by the government as free services paid for by tax payers. Therefore I simply ask, if the government provides these things, why not free universal healthcare coverage? Why not free public college? etc. And don't give me this whole 'can't afford it' ****. Other countries have exactly what I'm talking about and have had it for years, and they haven't suddenly gone bankrupt. In fact their economies are booming.

7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

See what I mean? You need to live a few more years my brother. 

I never said man doesn't have human rights. I said man doesn't have natural rights. The right to live.

Human "rights" are many. What's a human right today wasn't a human right yesterday. And it probably won't be tomorrow either.

Why make such a distinction? I'm serious. There's no need for this distinction to be made.

Yes some human rights have evolved with the times, but they've done so in conformity with the environment. It is natural in this sense. People have a right to an education (k-12) because in our culture a proper education is a requirement in order to have a productive healthy life. People didn't have the right to such an education in ancient times simply because there was no need for it in order for one to be successful. However if things were to have changed 4,000 years ago and people suddenly did need an education to live, then they would have a right to an education because they have a right to life. Their human rights are natural rights, otherwise they aren't rights at all.

I see no need to divorce the two.

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Will Due
4 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

I agree that there is a fair group of millennials with an entitlement complex, yes.

However it's dismissive to say that certain things are just from a lazy sense of entitlement, as that can literally be said about anything.

Women want the right to vote? Oh, what sense of entitlement they have! black people want to go to the same school as white people? They just feel entitled. For shame.

It's dismissive, as it doesn't present a real refutation of anything.

And as for the whole 'nothing is free' crap, yes, nothing is free. Except of course public parks, roads, bridges, our education system (K-12), police protection, military protection, social security protection, etc. etc. Yes they're all funded on taxpayer dollars and are therefore not technically 'free'. But they are provided by the government as free services paid for by tax payers. Therefore I simply ask, if the government provides these things, why not free universal healthcare coverage? Why not free public college? etc. And don't give me this whole 'can't afford it' ****. Other countries have exactly what I'm talking about and have had it for years, and they haven't suddenly gone bankrupt. In fact their economies are booming.

Why make such a distinction? I'm serious. There's no need for this distinction to be made.

Yes some human rights have evolved with the times, but they've done so in conformity with the environment. It is natural in this sense. People have a right to an education (k-12) because in our culture a proper education is a requirement in order to have a productive healthy life. People didn't have the right to such an education in ancient times simply because there was no need for it in order for one to be successful. However if things were to have changed 4,000 years ago and people suddenly did need an education to live, then they would have a right to an education because they have a right to life. Their human rights are natural rights, otherwise they aren't rights at all.

I see no need to divorce the two.

Well, at least kids who go to school should have the right to know that their "education" is really political propaganda. 

 

 

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Myles

I don't know how many people are totally against universal healthcare.    For myself, I'd like to see it, but not before the health industry is cleaned up.   Just flipping for the bill is not a good fix.  

As for free college, there are ways that people can go to college and not pay much.   Especially if they cannot afford it.   Heck, my daughter is quite the go-getter.   She's applied for every scholarship no matter how small.    Is an RA in the dorm (free room and meal plan).   Her total college bill this year is $5400 out of pocket.    However she had to put forth allot of effort.  

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Dark_Grey
16 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

I agree that there is a fair group of millennials with an entitlement complex, yes.

However it's dismissive to say that certain things are just from a lazy sense of entitlement, as that can literally be said about anything.

Women want the right to vote? Oh, what sense of entitlement they have! black people want to go to the same school as white people? They just feel entitled. For shame.

It's dismissive, as it doesn't present a real refutation of anything.

And as for the whole 'nothing is free' crap, yes, nothing is free. Except of course public parks, roads, bridges, our education system (K-12), police protection, military protection, social security protection, etc. etc. Yes they're all funded on taxpayer dollars and are therefore not technically 'free'. But they are provided by the government as free services paid for by tax payers. Therefore I simply ask, if the government provides these things, why not free universal healthcare coverage? Why not free public college? etc. And don't give me this whole 'can't afford it' ****. Other countries have exactly what I'm talking about and have had it for years, and they haven't suddenly gone bankrupt. In fact their economies are booming.

Look in to the colossal cost of NHS in the UK or Canada's equivalent. It's not the Utopian system you might think it is for the same reason open borders won't work: it's the people that are the problem. You can't trust the Government to tell you the truth yet you would trust them to fairly distribute tax dollars in an ethical way? Socialist ideas often fail in practice because the people place all their money and trust in untrustworthy places. Again, if you can fix that side of human nature, I'm all in.
 

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doctor wu
2 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Globalization is inclusive, and the opposite is exclusive.

Inclusivity of other people groups is the driving force behind peace. It's what brought about the civil rights movement, gave women, African Americans, immigrants, people of all walks of life equal rights, because all were included as the whole. We treat everyone equally because we include them all as members of one race, the human race. When we all unite as one, that is when we will know peace.

Exclusivity however only breeds war and dissent. It divides us into different factions and turns us against one another. By dividing us into an us and them system, it breeds competition, which breeds an us versus them system, which ultimately leads to war. Those in opposition to the civil rights movements have always sought division rather than unity. They've always sought to exclude others. Whether it be women, blacks, Mexicans, or the LGBT, or anyone who simply disagrees with them. The driving force behind war is hatred and division. In other words, exclusivity.

Globalization is the only path to world peace. Once we see ourselves as one race, the human race, and one nation, the human nation, with equal rights, human rights; then and only then will we know peace.

How could anyone possibly oppose globalization? It's the same to me as opposing peace in preference to war.

IMHO...that's well said.....but....the problem is that human beings simply aren't grown up enough to act in that manner. They still think in terms of clubs, groups. political ideologies. and the color of their skin.

Jiddu Krishnamurti once said, (and I'm paraphrasing here)...'The world and the way it is will not change for the better until there is a fundamental change in the very nature of human consciousness.'

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ellapenella
52 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

By all means. I've yet to read anything of yours I don't completely disagree with, but there's no other way to find peace in this world then to discuss these issues with the people we disagree with the most.

Help in what way? We've 'helped' Japan militarily for example, ever since Pearl Harbor and yet they're above and beyond us technologically and in that since can stand on their own.

You're going to have to clarify as to in what way we 'help' other nations, because at this point in human history due to global trade and commerce, treaties and wars, we're all so intertwined that a vague 'we help other nations' just doesn't really say anything.

I didn't say America wasn't modern. I'm saying that nearly every other modern nation is ahead of us when it comes to those specific key issues: healthcare, education, a living wage. And unfortunately those are just a few examples of how we're behind.

 

:tu: Bingo.

First off, who said anything about forcing a one-world governmental system? Who says it has to be done by force?

Second, you're correct that a one-world governmental system has the potential for great corruption and oppression. However it also holds the potential for ending all war and instituting a state a utopian peace. It all depends what type of government this is and how it operates. We can't just throw away the entire notion of a one-world government just because it holds the potential for corruption, as every government holds the potential for corruption.

There's a stark difference between a dictatorship and a democracy. There are various forms of government, and a one-world government simply means just that. A one-world government. Nothing more. It could literally be any form of government imaginable. We can cower in fear of a potential dictatorship, or simply ascribe to build up a global democracy. This government could be literally anything imaginable, so it makes no sense to only focus on the negative potential possibilities while ignoring the good.

:huh: If you're seriously getting your information from internet videos, then I understand why you seem so misinformed. You're trusting material that's completely unreliable.

It appears to me that the driving force behind this whole Trump movement is fear. Fear of Mexican illegal immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of democrats, fear of globalization, fear of a one-world government, etc etc. The above ^ seems to be nothing but sheer paranoia about just plain nonsense.

What are you so afraid of?

How do you suppose America will give up it's sovereignty? willingly? I'm hoping for the redirection in correcting what has been permitted to occur in the schooling systems across the country under Obama, the community organizer.

I fear America loosing her sovereignty.

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Myles

People are different and want different things.   

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doctor wu
2 minutes ago, Myles said:

People are different and want different things.   

Man...that's profound....can I quote you..?

 

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Will Due
9 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

How do you suppose America will give up it's sovereignty? willingly? I'm hoping for the redirection in correcting what has been permitted to occur in the schooling systems across the country under Obama, the community organizer.

I fear America loosing her sovereignty.

Not while Trump is POTUS.

 

 

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Dumbledore the Awesome
18 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

How do you suppose America will give up it's sovereignty? willingly? I'm hoping for the redirection in correcting what has been permitted to occur in the schooling systems across the country under Obama, the community organizer.

I fear America loosing her sovereignty.

It happened many years ago, when it was sold to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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Will Due

What cracks me up about the globalists, socialists, liberals, communists, whatever you want to call the self-servers who parade around as government representatives and teachers in America and throughout the world, is that they're so corrupt that they forgot to cover their lies with at least a little humility towards common sense.

And now they have become totally blind. Their activities are directly responsible for Trump's election. A man, that had they kept their hat on, would never have been elected.

Now their continuing blindness is carrying them through to the end. Off the political cliff they will go. Children, pied pipers and all.

 

God help us.

 

 

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Myles
1 minute ago, doctor wu said:

Man...that's profound....can I quote you..?

 

;)

I really just mean that is a big barrier to the one world government idea.    Most countries are not going to voluntarily join such a thing which lends to countries being forced to.    That can't happen.  

 

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doctor wu
1 minute ago, Myles said:

I really just mean that is a big barrier to the one world government idea.    Most countries are not going to voluntarily join such a thing which lends to countries being forced to.    That can't happen.  

 

I understand.....which is why I quoted J Krishnamurti in my post.

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skliss
54 minutes ago, Myles said:

I don't know how many people are totally against universal healthcare.    For myself, I'd like to see it, but not before the health industry is cleaned up.   Just flipping for the bill is not a good fix.  

As for free college, there are ways that people can go to college and not pay much.   Especially if they cannot afford it.   Heck, my daughter is quite the go-getter.   She's applied for every scholarship no matter how small.    Is an RA in the dorm (free room and meal plan).   Her total college bill this year is $5400 out of pocket.    However she had to put forth allot of effort.  

My niece rocked seven scholarships for 4 years that included internships, etc. She just graduated from Penn State with a degree in chemical engineering. It was damned hard but she did it and is free and clear. My son won a 4 yr full tuition scholarship to an expensive private college. He worked his behind off in school and was invited to compete for it beating out hundreds of other students. It takes work...we were always told that as children....when did people stop telling their kids that?

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ellapenella
2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

It happened many years ago, when it was sold to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Why do you say things like that? Are you in England?

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thedutchiedutch

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Agent0range
7 hours ago, Myles said:

Not his worst speech.

It never is when someone else writes it and he reads it...

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Will Due
2 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said:

trump.jpg

Usually, when one farmer (Obama) plants the wrong seed in a field, another has to be hired (Trump) to upturn and clean the field so that the proper seed can be sown and be nurtured to grow.

 

 

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RAyMO
5 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

Look in to the colossal cost of NHS

THe NHS costs less as a percetnage of GDP than the healthcare system in the US and yet in almost every recognised metric scores better than the US. 

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third_eye

Where smoke, where fire ?

Quote

 

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Pence: Administration policy is 'America first,' not 'America alone ...

thehill.com/.../344531-administration-policy-is-america-first-its-not-america-alone
Jul 30, 2017 - “President Trump sent me to eastern Europe with a very simple message, that is America first doesn't mean America alone,” Pence said in an ...
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Pence tells U.N. that America first does not mean America alone ...

www.thestar.com.my/.../pence-tells-un-that-america-first-does-not-mean-america-alon...
3 hours ago - UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's policy of "America First does not mean America alone," Vice President Mike Pence ...
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As it turns out America First does equal America Alone - The ...

Jul 10, 2017 - America First does not mean America alone. It is a commitment to protecting and advancing our vital interests while also fostering cooperation ...

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America First Doesn't Mean America Alone - WSJ

May 30, 2017 - America First does not mean America alone. It is a commitment to protecting and advancing our vital interests while also fostering cooperation ...

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methinks the VP doth protest too much ...

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lightly

Globalization is a concept at this point...We should fear global corporitization more.

as always, the real power in this world is wealth...not politics.

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Buzz_Light_Year
8 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Globalization is inclusive, and the opposite is exclusive.

Inclusivity of other people groups is the driving force behind peace. It's what brought about the civil rights movement, gave women, African Americans, immigrants, people of all walks of life equal rights, because all were included as the whole. We treat everyone equally because we include them all as members of one race, the human race. When we all unite as one, that is when we will know peace.

Exclusivity however only breeds war and dissent. It divides us into different factions and turns us against one another. By dividing us into an us and them system, it breeds competition, which breeds an us versus them system, which ultimately leads to war. Those in opposition to the civil rights movements have always sought division rather than unity. They've always sought to exclude others. Whether it be women, blacks, Mexicans, or the LGBT, or anyone who simply disagrees with them. The driving force behind war is hatred and division. In other words, exclusivity.

Globalization is the only path to world peace. Once we see ourselves as one race, the human race, and one nation, the human nation, with equal rights, human rights; then and only then will we know peace.

How could anyone possibly oppose globalization? It's the same to me as opposing peace in preference to war.

Always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

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Likely Guy
12 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

You stole that. ;)

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Buzz_Light_Year
5 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

You stole that. ;)

Guilty as charged..........:D

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Wickian
9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Globalization is inclusive, and the opposite is exclusive.

Inclusivity of other people groups is the driving force behind peace. It's what brought about the civil rights movement, gave women, African Americans, immigrants, people of all walks of life equal rights, because all were included as the whole. We treat everyone equally because we include them all as members of one race, the human race. When we all unite as one, that is when we will know peace.

Exclusivity however only breeds war and dissent. It divides us into different factions and turns us against one another. By dividing us into an us and them system, it breeds competition, which breeds an us versus them system, which ultimately leads to war. Those in opposition to the civil rights movements have always sought division rather than unity. They've always sought to exclude others. Whether it be women, blacks, Mexicans, or the LGBT, or anyone who simply disagrees with them. The driving force behind war is hatred and division. In other words, exclusivity.

Globalization is the only path to world peace. Once we see ourselves as one race, the human race, and one nation, the human nation, with equal rights, human rights; then and only then will we know peace.

How could anyone possibly oppose globalization? It's the same to me as opposing peace in preference to war.

And all it will cost you is the right to ethnic or national culture and independence of any kind.

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