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Dark_Grey
5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

the fed announced yesterday that it will now eliminate the policy of quantitative easing implemented after the crash of 2008 so that the world's economy would not crash because of poor fiscal decisions made be the US government and US banks.

Good.

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preacherman76
3 hours ago, RAyMO said:

 

I blame the English for a lot of things, 

What do you blame the English for?

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preacherman76
Just now, Dark_Grey said:

Good.

Very good. The phrase should have never been "to big to fail" It should have been 'to big to survive'

 

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RAyMO
9 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

What do you blame the English for?

Nothing relevant to this topic - that is the point I was making. I am not english, I don't feel at all obliged to defend them, but in respect of the issues in america I cannot see where Ella thinks that they are complicit as individuals or otherwise. 

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Aquila King
22 minutes ago, OverSword said:

No, I did not say anything about anarchy.  Pay attention.  I said this list of free things is not free.  At a point in the very near future government spending will have no choice but to be drastically cut.  By unsustainable I mean nothing is free and we won't have the money to pay for it.  Why is that difficult to comprehend.  Welcome to the real world son.  It's already started, the fed announced yesterday that it will now eliminate the policy of quantitative easing implemented after the crash of 2008 so that the world's economy would not crash because of poor fiscal decisions made be the US government and US banks.  Now that these policies have run their course we will be expected to pay back the trillions we have borrowed.  Wrap your head around that and see if you can come to a logical conclusion to where government will get money to pay for all of this "free stuff".  Hint:  There won't be any money to pay for it.

I'm about as obliged to take you seriously as I am my local homeless dude shoutin' the end is nigh.

Yes, the U.S. Government is in serious debt, and we spend like crazy, I get that. But this hurdle isn't impossible to overcome and we don't need to drop everything to fix it. The to one-tenth of 1% of the wealthiest people in this country hold just as much wealth as the rest of the American people combined, and we spend more on our nations military more then the next ten or so countries combined (most of which are our allies), and you wanna say it's impossible to to find the money? No, it's impossible to find the money the way that we've been getting it: through pointless wars and padding the pockets of the wealthy. This isn't impossible.

This is just paranoid catastrophism 101, with a hint of condescension.

I survived Y2K and 2012, so I think I can manage this. :rolleyes:

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aztek

i blame piers morgan.

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A rather obscure Bassoon
1 minute ago, Aquila King said:

 

I survived Y2K and 2012, so I think I can manage this. :rolleyes:

 

and September 23rd hopefully..... 

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Aquila King
1 minute ago, aztek said:

i blame piers morgan.

:lol: I can't stand that brit prick.

Just now, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

and September 23rd hopefully..... 

Seeya 3 days from now. ;)

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OverSword
1 hour ago, Aquila King said:

I'm about as obliged to take you seriously as I am my local homeless dude shoutin' the end is nigh.

Yes, the U.S. Government is in serious debt, and we spend like crazy, I get that. But this hurdle isn't impossible to overcome and we don't need to drop everything to fix it. The to one-tenth of 1% of the wealthiest people in this country hold just as much wealth as the rest of the American people combined, and we spend more on our nations military more then the next ten or so countries combined (most of which are our allies), and you wanna say it's impossible to to find the money? No, it's impossible to find the money the way that we've been getting it: through pointless wars and padding the pockets of the wealthy. This isn't impossible.

This is just paranoid catastrophism 101, with a hint of condescension.

I survived Y2K and 2012, so I think I can manage this. :rolleyes:

Your personal debt to the FED is over $60k.  Feel free to cut them a check.  It's doesn't surprise that you don't take me seriously as you are one of those naive individuals that think we get things for free.  And it's not a hint of condescension, it's complete condescension. :)

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OverSword
1 hour ago, Aquila King said:

 No, it's impossible to find the money the way that we've been getting it: through pointless wars and padding the pockets of the wealthy. This isn't impossible.

 

And what the heck, while I'm here I may as well give you some more info that you are unaware of but will decide not to believe because you know so much.  The way to govt. gets money is by borrowing it from the Federal Reserve Bank (a private institution) leveraged against our tax dollars.  We are currently more that 20 trillion in debt and the fed has announced it is now going to stop lending us vast sums of money and raise the interest on our current debt. 

What new way of getting money is going to negate that?

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Myles
1 hour ago, Aquila King said:

I'm about as obliged to take you seriously as I am my local homeless dude shoutin' the end is nigh.

Yes, the U.S. Government is in serious debt, and we spend like crazy, I get that. But this hurdle isn't impossible to overcome and we don't need to drop everything to fix it. The to one-tenth of 1% of the wealthiest people in this country hold just as much wealth as the rest of the American people combined, and we spend more on our nations military more then the next ten or so countries combined (most of which are our allies), and you wanna say it's impossible to to find the money? No, it's impossible to find the money the way that we've been getting it: through pointless wars and padding the pockets of the wealthy. This isn't impossible.

 

So don't you think that way of getting the funds should had been established before the universal healthcare was rolled out?

Personally, I am fine with many things that some view as socialist.   The caveat being that I want the funds for them up front. 

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Will do

The main reason the young think the way they do, is because of their education. They don't realize (and heaven forbid if they actually never do realize) that along with being taught to read and write, multiply and divide; in addition to being educated, they've been indoctrinated.

This simultaneous political indoctrination while receiving a basic education, masquerades in a way that they think nothing of it, that they've been hoodwinked, that they've been brainwashed for an enormous purpose they're not even aware of.

What is this purpose? 

It's to allow the worst kinds of people, hateful and spiteful people, criminals, who's goal and intentions are to gain control of the government, locally, and all they way up to global government itself if they can, to establish a terrible new order of governmental control of the people by the criminally minded (government representative politicians and officials, and especially their news media puppet masters) to establish and enslave the people with the most undesirable form of government yet to appear on our world - secular totalitarianism - mainly by playing on the not yet self-controlled fervor of youthful idealism and passion for the indisposed.

 

AK, you seem to be an otherwise bright young man but believe me, you're going to wake up some day from this nightmare of having been indoctrinated into being an unwitting soldier for the cause of installing the most despicable types of people as your (and your children's) enslavers

I just hope it won't be too late.

 

 

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RAyMO
2 hours ago, aztek said:

i blame piers morgan.

Well hmm yes, I suppose there are exceptions.

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OverSword
37 minutes ago, Will Due said:

The main reason the young think the way they do, is because of their education. They don't realize (and heaven forbid if they actually never do realize) that along with being taught to read and write, multiply and divide; in addition to being educated, they've been indoctrinated.

This simultaneous political indoctrination while receiving a basic education, masquerades in a way that they think nothing of it, that they've been hoodwinked, that they've been brainwashed for an enormous purpose they're not even aware of.

I graduated high school in 1983, how were we different?  I mean sure now they are indoctrinated into the left but we were just as thoroughly indoctrinated into the right. 

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LV-426
10 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

I think much of what is America's issues are because of individuals from your Nation.

 

6 hours ago, RAyMO said:

I blame the English for a lot of things

 

Okay... what did we do now?

I know half the world still hates us for colonialism that happened years before any of us existed, but I didn't think we had a current beef with our cousins in America? :unsure:

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Will do
6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I graduated high school in 1983, how were we different?  I mean sure now they are indoctrinated into the left but we were just as thoroughly indoctrinated into the right. 

You must have went to high school somewhere other than the coastal areas right?

 

 

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Those nifty pie charts which show public spending as a majority of the budget are in-correct.....because, Social Security/Medicaid are not part of the annual budget .....they are completely separate from it.

Feel free to research that and correct me if I'm wrong about that.   (I could be)

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OverSword
9 minutes ago, Will Due said:

You must have went to high school somewhere other than the coastal areas right?

 

 

Seattle.

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Will do
26 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Seattle.

When you graduated, did you vote for Reagan?

 

 

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OverSword
8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

When you graduated, did you vote for Reagan?

 

 

Yes.  The entire state went Republican that cycle.  I vote libertarian since 92.

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AnchorSteam
19 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

So is he saying that it was a mistake to try to do so in Afghanisatan, Iraq and Libya, and to try very hard to do so in Syria,

Who besides Obama was trying very hard in Syria? The US Military came close to a mutiny on the subject, if you will recall, and all Obama did was strengthen ISIS in the end. 

And yes, it is easy to see now that all of the above WAS a mistake. 

Or don't you think so?

19 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

or that there was never really any serious wish to impose democracy and stuff on those countries,

Whoa... "impose Democracy"?!?

Now, I realize that to an actual Marxist, Democracy is a horrible thing in practice... but as Americans, we call that sort of thing Liberation. You know, putting the Power into the hands of the people.

I guess the Left is out of the closet now, with all the hatred and contempt for that sort of thing, ain't ya?

But, since when did Democracy become and exclusively American thing?

19 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

and that the claims to do so were just flannel, and once they'd been neutralized that was all that they were worried about?

What now... we have to stay and baby-sit everyone in the world for centuries to come?

They have to grow up someday... or not. Maybe you guys are right, and some parts of the world just can't handle the ideas of personal responsibility, Liberty and self-determination. Nod now, I guess we know exactly where they are.

 

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joc
On 9/20/2017 at 11:29 AM, Aquila King said:

 

How could anyone possibly oppose globalization? It's the same to me as opposing peace in preference to war.

I am all for Capitalist Globalization...all for 'including the rest of the world' in Capitalism.

But the real 'Globalists' despise Capitalism...they want a Globe that is under Total Socialist/Communist Rule...and that my friend is not a good thing!  That creates War.   

Globalism is not what it seems to be...it is a ruse for the  Left to take control of the entire world.  And you know where the Left roots are found don't you?   (psssst...in case you don't....Moscow...shhhh....don't tell anybody)

 

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Aquila King
5 hours ago, Will Due said:

The main reason the young think the way they do, is because of their education. They don't realize (and heaven forbid if they actually never do realize) that along with being taught to read and write, multiply and divide; in addition to being educated, they've been indoctrinated.

This simultaneous political indoctrination while receiving a basic education, masquerades in a way that they think nothing of it, that they've been hoodwinked, that they've been brainwashed for an enormous purpose they're not even aware of.

What is this purpose? 

It's to allow the worst kinds of people, hateful and spiteful people, criminals, who's goal and intentions are to gain control of the government, locally, and all they way up to global government itself if they can, to establish a terrible new order of governmental control of the people by the criminally minded (government representative politicians and officials, and especially their news media puppet masters) to establish and enslave the people with the most undesirable form of government yet to appear on our world - secular totalitarianism - mainly by playing on the not yet self-controlled fervor of youthful idealism and passion for the indisposed.

 

AK, you seem to be an otherwise bright young man but believe me, you're going to wake up some day from this nightmare of having been indoctrinated into being an unwitting soldier for the cause of installing the most despicable types of people as your (and your children's) enslavers

I just hope it won't be too late.

You seriously wanna talk down to me about indoctrination while basing your entire worldview on the words of your precious Urantia Book? :huh: Wasn't it you who stated in a separate thread that you literally would rather die than be open to other belief systems? And you seriously wanna lecture me about indoctrination?

Take a good long look in the mirror pal. The only indoctrinated one here is you.

Also, please stop with the ridiculously condescending remarks about my age. Age has nothing to do with whether or not my arguments are correct. if you're so confident in the efficacy of your own position, then get off my age and stick to the arguments themselves. Otherwise you're just pathetically committing a senseless ad hominem.

Lastly, there's no such thing as 'secular totalitarianism'. You just made that up. All the word 'secular' means is separate. Meaning separation of church and state. Totalitarianism on the other hand is the total power and authority of a government or regime, in other words absolute authoritarianism. They're two totally separate things.

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Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries (the attainment of such is termed secularity). One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs or practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism


 

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Totalitarianism is a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".[2]

Totalitarianism is the most severe and extreme form of authoritarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

Seriously, it takes approx. 2 seconds to look this up.

Think before spouting off nonsense with nothing to support it. Especially if your gonna talk down to people just cause their younger, Mr. high and mighty preacher man.

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Aquila King
1 hour ago, joc said:

I am all for Capitalist Globalization...all for 'including the rest of the world' in Capitalism.

But the real 'Globalists' despise Capitalism...they want a Globe that is under Total Socialist/Communist Rule...and that my friend is not a good thing!  That creates War.   

Globalism is not what it seems to be...it is a ruse for the  Left to take control of the entire world.  And you know where the Left roots are found don't you?   (psssst...in case you don't....Moscow...shhhh....don't tell anybody)

A ruse for the left to take over the world... This is seriously the kind of nonsense one would find in a superhero comic. What do you think we are, literal super villains? :huh: I suppose you also think we rub our hands together and say 'mwu ha ha' before entering a voting booth.

Yes, totalitarianism, fascism, communism, are bad things. Why do you assume that global governance will ultimately be this?

This is just sheer paranoia with no basis in fact.

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DarkHunter
8 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Lastly, there's no such thing as 'secular totalitarianism'. You just made that up. All the word 'secular' means is separate. Meaning separation of church and state. Totalitarianism on the other hand is the total power and authority of a government or regime, in other words absolute authoritarianism. They're two totally separate things.

Seriously, it takes approx. 2 seconds to look this up.

Think before spouting off nonsense with nothing to support it. Especially if your gonna talk down to people just cause their younger, Mr. high and mighty preacher man.

Before you start going off on rants, tirades, or calling people out in general it is generally a really good idea to at least do a quick Google search so you don't end up looking foolish, plus it generally makes your position stronger by removing errors that are often made in a quick post.

https://books.google.com/books?id=oIVwp79j-3AC&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=examples+of+secular+totalitarianism&source=bl&ots=ErrZ1l_2kI&sig=-blKSHVwmC2hN1R-686krR3SKx8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo_ryQ_LfWAhVF5iYKHXLYCf4Q6AEIOTAC#v=onepage&q=examples of secular totalitarianism&f=false

http://people.tamu.edu/~i-choudhury/politics.htm

Secular totalitarianism isnt made up, its a well defined system of government.

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