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On 9/26/2017 at 8:59 PM, Hammerclaw said:

Well, that's a load of crap. The religious aren't going to give up freedom of expression to spare the tender ears of secularists hearing: "Jesus loves you".

even so this was not in reference to me  just that  suppose you can add yourself to that load with your watered down version of  religion.Nevertheless Yes he so loved the world that he gave himself as a gift for all to have  salvation in him but hey Jesus loves and so now carry on but whatever you do don't share him with your friends here they may not be so friendly with you if you do because the moment you introduce morale idea that have any connection to religious worldview,  and that the person possessing it who  offers that idea they will say to you don't bring that idea into this kind of setting.There's a functional non theism, or atheism, or anti theism     and a morale issue     is ipso facto disregarded being  a valid  in any debate as if it were connected to some other religious worldview.   that is why not one of you have respectfully answered any of the posts I've gave in reference to what is happening not even your own self.

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4 hours ago, Will Due said:

Ellapennella, why play the part of a hypocrite?

Jesus was the friend of sinners.

 

 

For I am a sinner I ask Jesus to forgive me thou I haven't sinned here.  There's were the difference is between some of us I haven't said anything hypercritical unlike what you've been doing.

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On 9/26/2017 at 1:32 PM, Aquila King said:

@Ellapennella - A word of advise.

If you seek to truly spread the gospel message to others, convert others to Christianity, and save other people's souls from eternal damnation; then I advise you adjust your attitude about it. Your posts come across as pious and arrogant, as if you're morally superior to everyone else, and that you seek to 'educate' the rest of us inferior beings. please, for the sake of everyone else here, learn a little humility or at the very least try to reword your posts so as not to come off as hateful and condescending.

Thank you.

Sir you lie

 

you may believe the fact that religion does not have the right to dominate culture and that is not even what is being said.No one is saying that religion has to dominate culture because when it does, like anything else in this world, it can become disastrous.We're not God. But secularization has come to the theoretical conclusion that an idea can not be introduced into a social debate if it is connected to a larger world view and that way it is ipso facto dismissed. and the interesting thing in all of this is that secularization reveals how not only the inversion of a language but a prejudice attitude then ultimately  it takes it's deepest toll  where you live and where I live that stalk your mind and questions that stalk my mind.To go a bit further C.S Lewis that great scholar,philosopher who taught at Cambridge, in his book which is written in an allegory style called a Pilgrims Regress he describes his own spiritual journey as to why it is he moved apart from the struggles of a pantheism  atheism and ultimately committed his life to Christ.he says that he did not have all the answers along his journey but once he found that Christ made that commitment he had the answers to why he rejected everything else along the way,that's why he calls it A Pilgrims Regress.A regress of explanation as it were. At one point in that book which is allegorically written there is a powerful, very incisive illustration typical of Lewis's clear headed thinking,he says something like

I found myself locked and trapped in the spirit of the age,The spirit of the age was  grim in it's countenance with his neronian tyrannic stare.I felt as if I was handcuffed the whole time and for just a fleeting moment I was able to get into the mind of the spirit of the age,the giant in the spirit of the age and looked at all of us trapped by him  through his eyes,I realized we were only material beings nothing more cartilaginous wind pipes,spongy lungs,we were just matter having color, having coalesce together someway. He didn't see us as human beings with emotions sentiments longings and feelings he saw us as pure matter bound in chains under his look,and as i struggled with my questions,wanting them answered he never answered them,and then one morning a waiter came to me and he served me my breakfast and I commented to the waiter how delicious  and refreshing the milk was  and the waiter with predatorial glee pounced at me waiting for the moment he could attack anything that I said and when I said how delicious and nutritious this milk was he just glared down at me and with derisive laughter he says to me you're calling it delicious,you're calling it nutrition,don't you know all milk is, is the secretion of a cow,like any other of it's secretions,urine and whatever else.You call it refreshing,you call it nourishing it's only the secretion of a cow. And I recoiled in horror because I did not know how to respond back to the waiter and then i commented on the tastiness of the eggs like a fool I commented on them and now you can imagine what he said of the eggs, you may think this is outlandish  but you know what Lewis says? he says all of a sudden reason came on a horse and rescued him and he cried to the waiter in the spirit of the age and said Sir you lie, you don't know the difference between what nature has meant for nourishment and what nature has meant for garbage.

 

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On 9/27/2017 at 11:45 AM, jmccr8 said:

So you are saying secular people are the only ones that commit crimes, watch porn, etc,etc,etc? Maybe  you should go to a courthouse every day for a week to see what really goes on in your community. Many criminal organizations have members that are practicing Christians. I don't think that you see how life really is and insulate yourself with a perception of the world around you.

jmccr8 

Point out where it actually explains it the way you think it such as you see it. I don't see it that way. Reread it again you've misinterpreted it.

 

But  when secularization has had it's logical outworking it will  produce a sense where there is a complete loss of shame.What happens when we can define life anyway we want?When secularization eliminates religious institutions-reason and common sense end up being tossed aside as well and the result is a lack of shame. Maybe at some point some art can become so perverted that there is no difference but if the motive is indeed at that of in a state in art you can at least say that where the motives become perverted - the canvas can not scream out to the artist and say do not do this to me- but when the pornographer takes that man woman or child and disrobes that individual and uses that unclothed body for the pure purpose of stimulating the baser instincts of some other individual for a hunger that is never going to be satisfied by that alone suddenly the individual in front of that camera ought to stand up and say please do not do this to me. But when secularization has it's logical outworking it will produce a sense of where there is a complete loss of shame. Consider the scene from a movie where two of these boys are about to commit a mass murder and as joviality as they are driving around L.A frivolity light heartiness there's no sense that they're about to commit a multiple contract murder and they're discussing what hamburgers are called in France.That  was in-trivializing murder but that's  not all that was going on this was saying contours retain a sovereignty of defining everything they want to there in no essential difference call it a big M here and a royal  there what difference does it make we retain the sovereignty to call it what it is  nothing is  intrinsically there we confer value upon things and so they say they can go there and shoot off the heads as, as many people it is trivialized of course it's trivialized fr they will walk away without any sense of shame at all. Remember when Susan S. pleaded for her abductor to bring her children back to her,not only that, she went and spent hours in prayer with the pastor of the church praying for the safe return of her children. I remember seeing the artist conception of what this abductor looked liked and my heart pounded as they showed pictures of her two children and something within us cries out and says what happened to that sense of shame? You see if religious ideas,institutions and interpretations completely loose their social significance there is no point of reference for objective moral values anymore and if there's no point  of reference for objective moral values what happens to the sense of shame?We can call anything whatever we want -that's why one philosopher of ethics as oz has become obsolete it is suppressed by science deleted by psychology dismissed as motive by philosophy it is drowned in compassion evaporates into esthetics and retreats before relativism the usual moral distinctions between good and bad are simply drowned in a muddle of in emotion in which we feel more sympathy for the murderer than for the murdered for the betrayer than the betrayed and in which we have actually begun to believe that the real guilty party the one who somehow caused it all is the victim and not the perpetrator of the crime.  A mad man comes with his lantern, where has God gone?  And Europe felt the immediate impact within a half of a century and here we are in a much more conservative state as it were now it has breathed itself into the social conscientiousness and secularization is revealing what that social conscientiousness is. Secondly it's pluralization. Pluralization has a different definition. Secularization is a primary carrier-each one of these can be good but when it's handled wrong and I don't mean this to be critical because each one of the carriers is a strong and good  instrument  but when it doesn't handle it's responsibility it can become a carrier for wrong deductions. The philosophy that is under-girded when secularization has it's way is heathenism. the result of that is loss of shame. Pluralization where there is a complete number of worldviews  available to it's members and no worldview is dominant. A competing number of worldviews available to it's members and no worldview is dominant I could add this  very comfortably that pluralization in and of itself is a good thing we are all part of a pluralistic culture but if pluralism is inferred as meaning relativism of ethics that's when the problem really comes about. Pluralism is a rich social fabric and especially in a country such as this where it has so much of richness to it , it has to be appreciated,admired, and respected where else can you find a Korean gentleman selling  a Kosher tacos? That's the combination of pluralism but pluralism when it is taken to mean that there is a relativism  out of an ethical perspective that's when the problem really begins. The problem  with pluralization is that it leaves you and me with a very difficult philosophical situation because truth by definition is exclusive. Truth by definition is exclusive and when you state something is true you're saying it corresponds with reality that's what the word word is -it means this is so- it conforms to a real state of affairs. The question is how do you investigate that which is alleged to be true? that's where the question comes in truth by definition is exclusive and what's happened is that pluralization has assumed that all idea are equal and that is definitely not the case and it can not be sustained and when pluralism finally had it's day it will lead to a loss of reason . Secularization will lead to a loss of shame.Pluralization will lead to a loss of reason and secularization will lead to a loss of shame and secularization primary carrier I will put as the media and pluralization's primary carrier i will put as the university and secularization philosophy will end up heathenism and pluralization philosophy will end up with skepticism. This is what the philosopher G.K Chesterton said years ago about people who rebel against everything: " The new rebel is a skeptic and will not entirely trust anything he has no loyalty  therefor he can never be a true revolutionist and the fact that he doubts everything gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything for all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind and the moral revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces,but by the doctrine by which he denounce it ." This he writes one book complaining that imperial oppression insults the purity of women then he writes another book in which he insults it himself. He curses the Sultan because Christian girls lose their virginity then curses Mrs. Grundy because they keep it. As a politician he cries out that war is a waste of life as a philosopher that as life is a waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant then prove by the highest philosophical  principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. A man denounces marriage as a lie and then denounces aristocratic prophylactics for treating it as a lie.He calls the flag a bubble then blames the oppressors of Poland or  Ireland  because they take away that bubble.The man of this school goes to a political meeting where he complains that savages are treated as if they were  beasts then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes onto a scientific meeting where he proves that the they practically are beasts. In short the  modern revolutionist being an infinite skeptic is always engaged and undermining his own mind. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling morality in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men, therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt by rebelling against everything he has his right to rebel against anything and the arts have noticed this long before.

King Crimson from their song Epitaph

" Between the Iron Gates of faith the seeds of time are sown watered by the deeds of those who know and who are known. Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules the fate of all mankind I see is in the hands of fools confusion will be my epitaph as I crawl a cracked and broken path if we make it we can all sit back and laugh but I'm afraid tomorrow I'll be crying"

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

@Ellapennella are you ok?

 

 

because I'm sharing in what I've learned here you ask if I'm okay? I'm great. Oddly enough I've pondered as to  why some of you here have  behaved so as like C.S Lewis explained it in a Pilgrims Regress only  I  know now. I love the way he allegorically out it out there it's exactly what the likes of some here have always done and i couldn't understand what was wrong with them I know now. I'm happy I know.

 

C.S Lewis that great scholar,philosopher who taught at Cambridge, in his book which is written in an allegory style called a Pilgrims Regress he describes his own spiritual journey as to why it is he moved apart from the struggles of a pantheism  atheism and ultimately committed his life to Christ.he says that he did not have all the answers along his journey but once he found that Christ made that commitment he had the answers to why he rejected everything else along the way,that's why he calls it A Pilgrims Regress.A regress of explanation as it were. At one point in that book which is allegorically written there is a powerful, very incisive illustration typical of Lewis's clear headed thinking,he says something like

I found myself locked and trapped in the spirit of the age,The spirit of the age was  grim in it's countenance with his neronian tyrannic stare.I felt as if I was handcuffed the whole time and for just a fleeting moment I was able to get into the mind of the spirit of the age,the giant in the spirit of the age and looked at all of us trapped by him  through his eyes,I realized we were only material beings nothing more cartilaginous wind pipes,spongy lungs,we were just matter having color, having coalesce together someway. He didn't see us as human beings with emotions sentiments longings and feelings he saw us as pure matter bound in chains under his look,and as i struggled with my questions,wanting them answered he never answered them,and then one morning a waiter came to me and he served me my breakfast and I commented to the waiter how delicious  and refreshing the milk was  and the waiter with predatorial glee pounced at me waiting for the moment he could attack anything that I said and when I said how delicious and nutritious this milk was he just glared down at me and with derisive laughter he says to me you're calling it delicious,you're calling it nutrition,don't you know all milk is, is the secretion of a cow,like any other of it's secretions,urine and whatever else.You call it refreshing,you call it nourishing it's only the secretion of a cow. And I recoiled in horror because I did not know how to respond back to the waiter and then i commented on the tastiness of the eggs like a fool I commented on them and now you can imagine what he said of the eggs, you may think this is outlandish  but you know what Lewis says? he says all of a sudden reason came on a horse and rescued him and he cried to the waiter in the spirit of the age and said Sir you lie, you don't know the difference between what nature has meant for nourishment and what nature has meant for garbage

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I have droves of information  to add in which  I find very exciting and empowering to know of  but I'm not certain if I'm interested  anymore  you see since I've figured you all out  I'm bored with you guys now.

 

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4 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

I have droves of information  to add in which  I find very exciting and empowering to know of  but I'm not certain if I'm interested  anymore  you see since I've figured you all out  I'm bored with you guys now.

 

Well then, bye Felicia.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Well then, bye Felicia.

 

 

excuse me? are you mistaken me  for  someone ?

 

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1 minute ago, Ellapennella said:

excuse me? are you mistaken me  for  someone ?

 

I'm sorry. No not at all.

 

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I used to ponder in thought hoping that maybe after obama was gone from office that our  nation would  work itself out again  for the good of our nation only I now know and have a clearer understanding of why individuals continue to lie and attack   religion I just couldn't understand why anyone would even want to  but  the only way to transform the nation is to attack what is seen as right and to do that you have to attack  family-  heritage - and  religion to be seen as wrong first this is where all these subtle complaints of religion and heritage and privilege come in to play. this is why they who do these things will never admit to it.

 

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19 minutes ago, Will Due said:

I'm sorry. No not at all.

 

Just like he said that's what you do you stalk and you wait to attack.

 

I found myself locked and trapped in the spirit of the age,The spirit of the age was  grim in it's countenance with his neronian tyrannic stare.I felt as if I was handcuffed the whole time and for just a fleeting moment I was able to get into the mind of the spirit of the age,the giant in the spirit of the age and looked at all of us trapped by him  through his eyes,I realized we were only material beings nothing more cartilaginous wind pipes,spongy lungs,we were just matter having color, having coalesce together someway. He didn't see us as human beings with emotions sentiments longings and feelings he saw us as pure matter bound in chains under his look,and as i struggled with my questions,wanting them answered he never answered them,and then one morning a waiter came to me and he served me my breakfast and I commented to the waiter how delicious  and refreshing the milk was  and the waiter with predatorial glee pounced at me waiting for the moment he could attack anything that I said and when I said how delicious and nutritious this milk was he just glared down at me and with derisive laughter he says to me you're calling it delicious,you're calling it nutrition,don't you know all milk is, is the secretion of a cow,like any other of it's secretions,urine and whatever else.You call it refreshing,you call it nourishing it's only the secretion of a cow. And I recoiled in horror because I did not know how to respond back to the waiter and then i commented on the tastiness of the eggs like a fool I commented on them and now you can imagine what he said of the eggs, you may think this is outlandish  but you know what Lewis says? he says all of a sudden reason came on a horse and rescued him and he cried to the waiter in the spirit of the age and said Sir you lie, you don't know the difference between what nature has meant for nourishment and what nature has meant for garbage

eta

 you're a disgusting individual W.D  one of the very worst kind  of all you're a fraud and a fake a charlatan and a snake and you have nothing to offer but lies.

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8 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

you're a disgusting individual W.D  one of the very worst kind  of all you're a fraud and a fake a charlatan and a snake and you have nothing to offer but lies.

Wow, were you talkin' with my ex-wife recently?

 

 

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"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Now tell me, Lady Ella, exactly where in all that do you fit in? The robes of a cynic do not become you. You're in dire need of a dose of your own medicine.

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2 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

Point out where it actually explains it the way you think it such as you see it. I don't see it that way. Reread it again you've misinterpreted it.

 

But  when secularization has had it's logical outworking it will  produce a sense where there is a complete loss of shame.What happens when we can define life anyway we want?When secularization eliminates religious institutions-reason and common sense end up being tossed aside as well and the result is a lack of shame. Maybe at some point some art can become so perverted that there is no difference but if the motive is indeed at that of in a state in art you can at least say that where the motives become perverted - the canvas can not scream out to the artist and say do not do this to me- but when the pornographer takes that man woman or child and disrobes that individual and uses that unclothed body for the pure purpose of stimulating the baser instincts of some other individual for a hunger that is never going to be satisfied by that alone suddenly the individual in front of that camera ought to stand up and say please do not do this to me. But when secularization has it's logical outworking it will produce a sense of where there is a complete loss of shame. Consider the scene from a movie where two of these boys are about to commit a mass murder and as joviality as they are driving around L.A frivolity light heartiness there's no sense that they're about to commit a multiple contract murder and they're discussing what hamburgers are called in France.That  was in-trivializing murder but that's  not all that was going on this was saying contours retain a sovereignty of defining everything they want to there in no essential difference call it a big M here and a royal  there what difference does it make we retain the sovereignty to call it what it is  nothing is  intrinsically there we confer value upon things and so they say they can go there and shoot off the heads as, as many people it is trivialized of course it's trivialized fr they will walk away without any sense of shame at all. Remember when Susan S. pleaded for her abductor to bring her children back to her,not only that, she went and spent hours in prayer with the pastor of the church praying for the safe return of her children. I remember seeing the artist conception of what this abductor looked liked and my heart pounded as they showed pictures of her two children and something within us cries out and says what happened to that sense of shame? You see if religious ideas,institutions and interpretations completely loose their social significance there is no point of reference for objective moral values anymore and if there's no point  of reference for objective moral values what happens to the sense of shame?We can call anything whatever we want -that's why one philosopher of ethics as oz has become obsolete it is suppressed by science deleted by psychology dismissed as motive by philosophy it is drowned in compassion evaporates into esthetics and retreats before relativism the usual moral distinctions between good and bad are simply drowned in a muddle of in emotion in which we feel more sympathy for the murderer than for the murdered for the betrayer than the betrayed and in which we have actually begun to believe that the real guilty party the one who somehow caused it all is the victim and not the perpetrator of the crime.  A mad man comes with his lantern, where has God gone?  And Europe felt the immediate impact within a half of a century and here we are in a much more conservative state as it were now it has breathed itself into the social conscientiousness and secularization is revealing what that social conscientiousness is. Secondly it's pluralization. Pluralization has a different definition. Secularization is a primary carrier-each one of these can be good but when it's handled wrong and I don't mean this to be critical because each one of the carriers is a strong and good  instrument  but when it doesn't handle it's responsibility it can become a carrier for wrong deductions. The philosophy that is under-girded when secularization has it's way is heathenism. the result of that is loss of shame. Pluralization where there is a complete number of worldviews  available to it's members and no worldview is dominant. A competing number of worldviews available to it's members and no worldview is dominant I could add this  very comfortably that pluralization in and of itself is a good thing we are all part of a pluralistic culture but if pluralism is inferred as meaning relativism of ethics that's when the problem really comes about. Pluralism is a rich social fabric and especially in a country such as this where it has so much of richness to it , it has to be appreciated,admired, and respected where else can you find a Korean gentleman selling  a Kosher tacos? That's the combination of pluralism but pluralism when it is taken to mean that there is a relativism  out of an ethical perspective that's when the problem really begins. The problem  with pluralization is that it leaves you and me with a very difficult philosophical situation because truth by definition is exclusive. Truth by definition is exclusive and when you state something is true you're saying it corresponds with reality that's what the word word is -it means this is so- it conforms to a real state of affairs. The question is how do you investigate that which is alleged to be true? that's where the question comes in truth by definition is exclusive and what's happened is that pluralization has assumed that all idea are equal and that is definitely not the case and it can not be sustained and when pluralism finally had it's day it will lead to a loss of reason . Secularization will lead to a loss of shame.Pluralization will lead to a loss of reason and secularization will lead to a loss of shame and secularization primary carrier I will put as the media and pluralization's primary carrier i will put as the university and secularization philosophy will end up heathenism and pluralization philosophy will end up with skepticism. This is what the philosopher G.K Chesterton said years ago about people who rebel against everything: " The new rebel is a skeptic and will not entirely trust anything he has no loyalty  therefor he can never be a true revolutionist and the fact that he doubts everything gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything for all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind and the moral revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces,but by the doctrine by which he denounce it ." This he writes one book complaining that imperial oppression insults the purity of women then he writes another book in which he insults it himself. He curses the Sultan because Christian girls lose their virginity then curses Mrs. Grundy because they keep it. As a politician he cries out that war is a waste of life as a philosopher that as life is a waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant then prove by the highest philosophical  principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. A man denounces marriage as a lie and then denounces aristocratic prophylactics for treating it as a lie.He calls the flag a bubble then blames the oppressors of Poland or  Ireland  because they take away that bubble.The man of this school goes to a political meeting where he complains that savages are treated as if they were  beasts then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes onto a scientific meeting where he proves that the they practically are beasts. In short the  modern revolutionist being an infinite skeptic is always engaged and undermining his own mind. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling morality in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men, therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt by rebelling against everything he has his right to rebel against anything and the arts have noticed this long before.

King Crimson from their song Epitaph

" Between the Iron Gates of faith the seeds of time are sown watered by the deeds of those who know and who are known. Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules the fate of all mankind I see is in the hands of fools confusion will be my epitaph as I crawl a cracked and broken path if we make it we can all sit back and laugh but I'm afraid tomorrow I'll be crying"

 

Well from what I've seen in life and read from history this really haven't changed so drastically. Of course there are more people and our exposure through media has so we see more but that doesn't necessarily mean that the social elements that you are discussing are new just more observable.

I don't make judgements on people that have no choice in some instances and I am also aware that there will always be rich and poor so I just do the things that I agree with and don't do the things that I don't agree with and likely you wouldn't accept why I do some of the things I do or have done and I'm okay with that because I understand my motivation. As well none of those acts would impact you or anyone you know.

I do find that you express yourself in a condescending manner and think that you are scared of the world around you so you cling to your faith as you interpret it and for the most part I'm okay with that it's your life and has no bearing on me or mine in any way, I just find it difficult to read your anger and hate then accuse me of hating you for your faith because I don't.

jmccr8

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2 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

I have droves of information  to add in which  I find very exciting and empowering to know of  but I'm not certain if I'm interested  anymore  you see since I've figured you all out  I'm bored with you guys now.

 

Bored or dis-satisfied that we don't see you as a savior, all of us are good fine people that are willing to learn about each other an in some way from each other and even though we may not agree with all that is shared we have created a community. If you made the choice to engage in a productive manner then maybe you would understand the respect that we have for other beliefs but do as you must.

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10 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

eta what I do expect from you is mockery and a continuous thirst for depravity.

:lol: I literally laughed so hard to this. The sheer absurdity of it is just beyond my ability to take seriously. :rolleyes:

I give you facts, figures, and logical arguments, and all you can do is come back with a petty personal attack? I'll just take this as your admission of defeat.

10 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

AS for this thread is was made for you all to spill your guts out in it continue to reveal what you really are .

I will. Just as you will also.

10 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

Say what you will about what you think you know, know this thou what I now know  doesn't seem to be going undisclosed in fact it's all over  the place the radio the news and even town halls and as for those programs funded by obama  well they're being dropped like the flies that surround his snitch    you and yours so desperately forced into America has only awakened her and I pray and am praying for a rival of true patriotism I don't expect for you to understand why or what that even means. I don't ever expect for you to wake up you yourself told me that you want a one world system but you yourself don't understand the spirit of that age  I don't expect for you to understand.

Without any evidence or logical reasoning to back this up, you're just making wild assertions that have no basis in reality. That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

5 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

Sir you lie

you may believe the fact that religion does not have the right to dominate culture and that is not even what is being said.No one is saying that religion has to dominate culture because when it does, like anything else in this world, it can become disastrous.We're not God. But secularization has come to the theoretical conclusion that an idea can not be introduced into a social debate if it is connected to a larger world view and that way it is ipso facto dismissed. and the interesting thing in all of this is that secularization reveals how not only the inversion of a language but a prejudice attitude then ultimately  it takes it's deepest toll  where you live and where I live that stalk your mind and questions that stalk my mind.To go a bit further C.S Lewis that great scholar,philosopher who taught at Cambridge, in his book which is written in an allegory style called a Pilgrims Regress he describes his own spiritual journey as to why it is he moved apart from the struggles of a pantheism  atheism and ultimately committed his life to Christ.he says that he did not have all the answers along his journey but once he found that Christ made that commitment he had the answers to why he rejected everything else along the way,that's why he calls it A Pilgrims Regress.A regress of explanation as it were. At one point in that book which is allegorically written there is a powerful, very incisive illustration typical of Lewis's clear headed thinking,he says something like

I found myself locked and trapped in the spirit of the age,The spirit of the age was  grim in it's countenance with his neronian tyrannic stare.I felt as if I was handcuffed the whole time and for just a fleeting moment I was able to get into the mind of the spirit of the age,the giant in the spirit of the age and looked at all of us trapped by him  through his eyes,I realized we were only material beings nothing more cartilaginous wind pipes,spongy lungs,we were just matter having color, having coalesce together someway. He didn't see us as human beings with emotions sentiments longings and feelings he saw us as pure matter bound in chains under his look,and as i struggled with my questions,wanting them answered he never answered them,and then one morning a waiter came to me and he served me my breakfast and I commented to the waiter how delicious  and refreshing the milk was  and the waiter with predatorial glee pounced at me waiting for the moment he could attack anything that I said and when I said how delicious and nutritious this milk was he just glared down at me and with derisive laughter he says to me you're calling it delicious,you're calling it nutrition,don't you know all milk is, is the secretion of a cow,like any other of it's secretions,urine and whatever else.You call it refreshing,you call it nourishing it's only the secretion of a cow. And I recoiled in horror because I did not know how to respond back to the waiter and then i commented on the tastiness of the eggs like a fool I commented on them and now you can imagine what he said of the eggs, you may think this is outlandish  but you know what Lewis says? he says all of a sudden reason came on a horse and rescued him and he cried to the waiter in the spirit of the age and said Sir you lie, you don't know the difference between what nature has meant for nourishment and what nature has meant for garbage.

:huh: Have you written any of this, or are you just copy and pasting this from off-site somewhere? Maybe you're copy and pasting your own posts over and over, idk.

Look, if you're going to respond to someone, try and do so with thoughtful rational arguments, rather than just copy and paste the same drivel. Why should I refute what's already been refuted?

4 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

 you're a disgusting individual W.D  one of the very worst kind  of all you're a fraud and a fake a charlatan and a snake and you have nothing to offer but lies.

Wow. I know this is directed at Will Due, but tell me, how is this in any way Christ-like?

You want to condescendingly stand above everyone else and put yourself up on a pedestal, claiming to be a shining pillar of morality, and then you throw out some of the most hateful comments I've ever seen on this site to date. Do you seriously have the audacity to lecture others about their supposed moral deficiencies while at the same time insulting others and calling them names and spreading hatred and division? Seriously? It seems you truly are the el primo example of a religious hypocrite.

Need I remind you of what your own precious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has to say about religious hypocrites:
 

Spoiler

 

Matthew 23New Living Translation (NLT)

Jesus Criticizes the Religious Leaders

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[a] So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

“Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels.[b] And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’[c]

“Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.[d] And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.[e]

15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell[f] you yourselves are!

16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ 17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.

23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[g] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel![h]

25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too.

27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.’

31 “But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?

34 “Therefore, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers of religious law. But you will kill some by crucifixion, and you will flog others with whips in your synagogues, chasing them from city to city. 35 As a result, you will be held responsible for the murder of all godly people of all time—from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, this judgment will fall on this very generation.

 

 

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I think it's all a mistake, that she was quoting C.S. Lewis, but it was mistaken that she said it on her own.

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