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trevor borocz johnson

How will the messiah save us?

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trevor borocz johnson

If its end times and there is truly only seven years left before global warming dries up the place, we dramatically need someone to be a world leader who begins the preparing for this event to take place. That's what biblical figures do is lead people and save them. That is the call for the need of this someone in our present situation. The signs are scientific. "And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind." revelation 9:15. does this mean we should ignore the inevitable just because the bible says it or is it a chance for everyone to prepare? I've said it before that the uninhabited region of Canada above the Great Lakes needs a world army that anyone with debt or not to join immediatley and start building that region up. I live on the Great Lakes and feel much more protected then I'm sure some of you do. What I don't feel protected from is the emergency everyone else is going to feel. 

 

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WoIverine

John 3:16 man, believe and be saved. ^_^

According to the text, only a very few (remnants of Israel) who are left on the Earth will be able to partially avoid God's wrath and judgement. Since He loved us, He's given us a way out though.

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kartikg

once saved, then what happens? humanity will be back in stone age? 

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trevor borocz johnson
16 minutes ago, kartikg said:

once saved, then what happens? humanity will be back in stone age? 

Well I think you might be thinking of burning library's in the past. The Greeks burned the Romans recipe for cement and they didn't have it again until the 1700's. That's the sort of thing that's impossible in modern day. Don't worry someone will always find some job for you, you don't have to figure it out from scratch.

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ChaosRose

There isn't a messiah coming to save us from ourselves. In fact, if you look at how government is handling (or not handling) things, you can see they're not going to be much help. Some in government are actually (seemingly deliberately) being a hindrance. And maybe that was the plan all along. A culling of sorts. 

We will have to adapt. And many of us will have to migrate.

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Nostrodumbass
9 hours ago, trevorhbj said:

If its end times and there is truly only seven years left before global warming dries up the place, we dramatically need someone to be a world leader who begins the preparing for this event to take place. That's what biblical figures do is lead people and save them. That is the call for the need of this someone in our present situation. The signs are scientific. "And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind." revelation 9:15. does this mean we should ignore the inevitable just because the bible says it or is it a chance for everyone to prepare? I've said it before that the uninhabited region of Canada above the Great Lakes needs a world army that anyone with debt or not to join immediatley and start building that region up. I live on the Great Lakes and feel much more protected then I'm sure some of you do. What I don't feel protected from is the emergency everyone else is going to feel. 

 

There is no hope for the physical world, its reversion to chaos is inevitable, or Jesus would have stayed and become a physical eternal king. 

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Stubbly_Dooright

Despite this being a spirituality thought, this planet is still a world of many cultures, beliefs, and non-beliefs. And, it seems a lot of the situations on this planet, is very real. Is a biblical figure or lone leader really going to do this? I don't even think a leader, who pretty much goes on the basis of actual provable situations, using very good leadership skills. 

If anything, and we should get real on this, it's team work and the need to realize we need to sacrifice to be able to get to the point of healing this planet and the people on it. I don't believe having some major situation occur, would be the best thing. Especially so, if there has been a major loss of life. Heck, any loss of life. Everyone is important, and this planet is for everyone. 

Granted, we all need to take care of it. 

If anything, to go back to a leader, even a religious leader, I think the best that person should do, is get us to all come together as a shared mind in this goal. Not to help us through a disaster, (though that is important) but to probably help avoid it too. 

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jbondo
9 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

We will have to adapt. And many of us will have to migrate.

A great number of Americans (for example), can't even function without a smart phone. People who take 20 odd "selfies" a day, aren't prepared for a hangnail, let alone displaced "migration". Once they are separated from pop culture, Hollywood and the media, they are lost.

The US has all the earmarks of plummeting into socialism and IMO, that's the plan of those in power. That in itself is a tragedy.  Personally, I have my beliefs and Faith. I also have common sense. If I see a gun pointed at me, I'll likely get out of the way. Thankfully, I was raised in a very rural area where I spent the better part of my youth and young adult life in the mountains/forest. However, due to monetary issues, I had to move to Chicagoland. Here's the problem: My fiance wants to live in, or as close to the city as possible. I think you all know that's a death sentence in several scenarios. I'm with trevorhbj. I'd love to live above the Lakes and I've always felt, Canada is the best chance to live thru any real global disaster. I don't think Les Stroud moved his family off the grid there just to be close to nature. The guy is pretty smart.

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RavenHawk

Jesus has already save those who believe.

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Podo
45 minutes ago, jbondo said:

The US has all the earmarks of plummeting into socialism and IMO, that's the plan of those in power. That in itself is a tragedy.

 

45 minutes ago, jbondo said:

Canada is the best chance to live thru any real global disaster.

You realize that we're a heavily socialist nation that is becoming more socialist as years pass, right?

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AZDZ
1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Jesus has already save those who believe.

Right, he said it on the cross. "It is finished." The saving has already occurred.

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RavenHawk
1 minute ago, AZDZ said:

Right, he said it on the cross. "It is finished." The saving has already occurred, all that is left for us to do is die.

Everyone dies, not everyone lives.

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I'mConvinced

I was always interested in what would happen if, during the second coming, I decided not to be saved and just thanked Jesus for the opportunity while politely declining?

Would I be 'abducted' to heaven anyway? Or would I go to hell because 'that don't wash son'? Or something else...

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Tatetopa

Something else...

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RavenHawk
17 hours ago, I'mConvinced said:

I was always interested in what would happen if, during the second coming, I decided not to be saved and just thanked Jesus for the opportunity while politely declining?

Would I be 'abducted' to heaven anyway? Or would I go to hell because 'that don't wash son'? Or something else...

I suppose that would be possible.  If someone doesn’t want to be saved, they can certainly turn it down.  But most people that are drowning do not ignore the lifeline that is being thrown to them.

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Stubbly_Dooright

Team leader! Team work! Team building!!! That's how I feel, within the guidance of my belief. 

Frankly, if there is a messiah or some one who has shown to be a guide, I would think would be the person to guide everyone. And consider everyone and their gifts and their fall backs. And, work with them. 

If people are born as human, ........... ( sinners in more than a lot of translations ) how can they be forgiven just like that, when the sin could have caused irreparable damage. Dealing with the damage, and to not have some big major disaster, should probably be the main goals of a good leader. And I say this, coming from my own inner spiritual 'thoughts'. 

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Essan

Unless the Messiah tells us how to make loads more money by doing less work,, lose weight through eating pizza and drinking beer, get one over on the neighbours every time, provides free satelite/cable TV and ensures the political party we most dislike never gets into power again, no-one will listen to him ;) 

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I'mConvinced
1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

I suppose that would be possible.  If someone doesn’t want to be saved, they can certainly turn it down.  But most people that are drowning do not ignore the lifeline that is being thrown to them.

 

Awesome, then bring it on. I don't feel like I'm drowning but I sure do have some questions that would be fun to have answered.  

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I'mConvinced
1 hour ago, Essan said:

Unless the Messiah tells us how to make loads more money by doing less work,, lose weight through eating pizza and drinking beer, get one over on the neighbours every time, provides free satelite/cable TV and ensures the political party we most dislike never gets into power again, no-one will listen to him ;) 

About this 'B' ark....Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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trevor borocz johnson

Maybe the messiah will cure mental illness's to save us. Maybe he will make alternative fuels available so we can live with all our inventions forever. Maybe he will establish a government with his inventions and law of the obvious, correcting what's wrong and finally lead us from danger with end times being at hand.

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Timonthy
On 27/09/2017 at 2:13 PM, trevorhbj said:

If its end times and there is truly only seven years left before global warming dries up the place,

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Seven years until dried up? What are you talking about?

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trevor borocz johnson
3 hours ago, Timonthy said:

Seven years until dried up? What are you talking about?

umm before the earth takes a huge methane fart.

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Timonthy
6 minutes ago, trevorhbj said:

umm before the earth takes a huge methane fart.

I don’t understand? Can you elaborate?

(Huge methane farts aren’t abnormal, possibly from personal experience :ph34r:)

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Clockwork_Spirit

You are already saved.

The savior is part of a rescue operation from Divine forces and taught us how to reach gnosis to liberate ourselves. He also showed us that the judgemental creator-god of this world is false. That false god couldn't stand man's awakening. You're higher than that God.

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trevor borocz johnson
9 minutes ago, Timonthy said:

I don’t understand? Can you elaborate?

(Huge methane farts aren’t abnormal, possibly from personal experience :ph34r:)

Don't you read the news? I only know what they tell me. 

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