Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 #1 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Should all things requiring faith be outlawed? I will make my case. All cults rely on faith. Cults are like drugs and.... Drugs are bad... Um kayyy? All religions rely on faith and.... Religions cause divisiveness, wars and pass out judgements among "the others" to ensure divisiveness. Oh and the uh-faith healing deaths. The lottery... Should potential players be asked upon buying the ticket whether they are playing for fun, or faith in knowing they will win. The latter seems to blow more grocery money. In love. Faith and hope that that special someone will love the faithful one back, usually get crushed leaving the faithful devestated and potentially suicidal. If not homicidal. If its love, ya dont need faith. What good is faith? Who does hope help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlitterRose Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 30, 2017 You can't outlaw faith. The best you can do is teach critical thinking. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted September 30, 2017 #3 Share Posted September 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: You can't outlaw faith. The best you can do is teach critical thinking. You can't outlaw stupidity, either. You just have to grit and bear it. (Is it just me, or has the editing software gone bonkers, tonight?) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 30, 2017 #4 Share Posted September 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Wes4747 said: Outlawing faith Will believers in the paranormal and those that believe in many spiritual masters of the eastern/Hindu tradition and promoters of such, like old PG, be incarcerated? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: Will believers in the paranormal and those that believe in many spiritual masters of the eastern/Hindu tradition and promoters of such, like old PG, be incarcerated? Well... I was thinking more along the lines of a hall monitor... How bout this. Lets quantify the issue. I have above listed some cons of faith. They can be verified as true, or not. Feel free to dispute any statement above. Now, can we list a single pro of "faith" that can be verified? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 30, 2017 #6 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Wes4747 said: Well... I was thinking more along the lines of a hall monitor... How bout this. Lets quantify the issue. I have above listed some cons of faith. They can be verified as true, or not. Feel free to dispute any statement above. Now, can we list a single pro of "faith" that can be verified? There's not even a point to listing the pros and cons. Faith is something that can't be legislated. You could put laws on the books, but you can't control what people think, what they believe. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #7 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: There's not even a point to listing the pros and cons. Faith is something that can't be legislated. You could put laws on the books, but you can't control what people think, what they believe. Humor me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 30, 2017 #8 Share Posted September 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Wes4747 said: Well... I was thinking more along the lines of a hall monitor... How bout this. Lets quantify the issue. I have above listed some cons of faith. They can be verified as true, or not. Feel free to dispute any statement above. Now, can we list a single pro of "faith" that can be verified? I was just expressing sarcastic outrage to the word 'outlawing'. I am personally not a believer in blind faith. I require logic and evidence before forming a belief. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: I was just expressing sarcastic outrage to the word 'outlawing'. I am personally not a believer in blind faith. I require logic and evidence before forming a belief. And i have come to destroy every ones faith and hope so that i may be the only one who knows of these magical things. Just one pro of having faith? Solo uno, por favor? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 30, 2017 #10 Share Posted September 30, 2017 You can't outlaw faith, that's a blatant violation of one of our most fundamental human rights. Now granted, faith is indeed a dangerous thing worthy of being eradicated, but how do you go about doing this? Unfortunately there isn't much one can do depending on the sincerity (severity) of the issue. We can't and shouldn't force others how to think and what to believe, but we can outlaw certain actions. The key is in finding what actions exhibited by faith are most detrimental to society, and to pass laws based on that, rather than outlaw faith itself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 30, 2017 #11 Share Posted September 30, 2017 One pro: It makes people feel good. Uncertainty is uncomfortable. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #12 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Aquila King said: You can't outlaw faith, that's a blatant violation of one of our most fundamental human rights. Now granted, faith is indeed a dangerous thing worthy of being eradicated, but how do you go about doing this? Unfortunately there isn't much one can do depending on the sincerity (severity) of the issue. We can't and shouldn't force others how to think and what to believe, but we can outlaw certain actions. The key is in finding what actions exhibited by faith are most detrimental to society, and to pass laws based on that, rather than outlaw faith itself. Right you are... On to my nefarious agenda. I know hope and faith is valuable, so i shall gather it all for myself. Hahaha Just one? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #13 Share Posted September 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: One pro: It makes people feel good. Uncertainty is uncomfortable. I like it... Awesome answer, i was so hoping you would get that! Despite popular belief, i think how we feel is important! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 30, 2017 #14 Share Posted September 30, 2017 It's hard not to know about that considering the many dopamine posts all over the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 30, 2017 #15 Share Posted September 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wes4747 said: Right you are... On to my nefarious agenda. I know hope and faith is valuable, so i shall gather it all for myself. Hahaha Just one? Spoken like a true priest. Well done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted September 30, 2017 So we got one, una mas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #17 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Baby feeding time, i shall return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 30, 2017 #18 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Wes4747 said: Baby feeding time, i shall return Bed time. I shall not return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 30, 2017 #19 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Wes4747 said: And i have come to destroy every ones faith and hope so that i may be the only one who knows of these magical things. ??? 1 minute ago, Wes4747 said: Just one pro of having faith? Solo uno, por favor? Through logic and evidence you believe someone is indeed well ahead of you in understanding. You believe things they say beyond your current grasp to prove for yourself are likely true. I take much of advanced science on faith because of respect for the sources. I take much of my spiritual beliefs on faith because of respect for the sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 30, 2017 #20 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wes4747 said: So we got one, una mas? Sorry, that's all I have. Plenty of cons, though. Edited September 30, 2017 by ChaosRose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted September 30, 2017 #21 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Why waste time and energy trying to control other people's behavior when most folks are challenged simply to pilot themselves through life? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 30, 2017 #22 Share Posted September 30, 2017 The Romans tried to get rid of Christianity. The more they tortured and killed, the more the faith grew. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #23 Share Posted September 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, and then said: The Romans tried to get rid of Christianity. The more they tortured and killed, the more the faith grew. Like"they have to be killing us for a reason! Our faith must be true!!" 39 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Why waste time and energy trying to control other people's behavior when most folks are challenged simply to pilot themselves through life? Agreed. Why waste time and energy? So much to be done! You know its amazing the things we have outlawed... So, we outlaw faith to help the sheeples pilot themselves through life. Is it agreed the only pro of faith is that it makes you feel good? I can think of another, but only the faithful can probably figure it out-which i am not actually... Perhaps one who has studied people of faith as well... Una mas?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #24 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 hour ago, papageorge1 said: ??? Through logic and evidence you believe someone is indeed well ahead of you in understanding. You believe things they say beyond your current grasp to prove for yourself are likely true. I take much of advanced science on faith because of respect for the sources. I take much of my spiritual beliefs on faith because of respect for the sources. I dont think you answered my query. Or i didnt interpret your answer correctly. Faith, pros? Whats a pro for you Papa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 30, 2017 Author #25 Share Posted September 30, 2017 36 minutes ago, seanjo said: Unless you have personally experienced something, you take things on faith. You can't outlaw a basic Human requisite. Well actually, it can be done and has been done all throughout history. Perhaps not all religious faith at one time, but every religious faith at one time (nearly) has been outlawed and persecuted. Pro of faith? Should be simple considering its a basic human requisite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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