Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[pallidin]

I sure hope they can obtain leads on the so-called "mystery woman"

And does anyone know if some kind of extensive autopsy will be performed that could reveal brain dysfunction, tumor, etc?

Edited October 5, 2017 by pallidin

[Paranormal Panther]

21 hours ago, F3SS said:

I totally believe that’s a real side effect of these designer drugs I just never noticed it listed specifically in the fine print or the fast talker who rattled off side effects but I’ll be on notice now. 

It would be informative and interesting to read a study that connects the increase in the use of psychoactive drugs to the increase in mass shootings and other crimes along those lines. General crime has been decreasing for years, but these horrible incidents seem to be increasing. You wonder if the usage of psychoactive drugs is a common link in these kinds of crimes. Even the Texas college tower shooter (Whitman) had a brain tumor, so that shows that "brain glitches" could be behind all kinds of insane actions. 

[Myles]

10 hours ago, Lilly said:

This is possible as well. Right now no one has the details (we don't know very much really). It could be that Ms Danley was unaware (but I'm still suspicious) two years is a long time to live with a person who would be sneaking about with his guns and bomb making stuff.

I can understand that.   I'm only coming from experience.   I have a brother who is married and has a pole barn where he keeps cars and motorcycles.   Some that he is restoring.   I don't think his wife ever goes out there except maybe to check on him.   There are definitely areas in there that she doesn't look.   He could house 100 guns in the trunks of some of the cars.   For myself it would be a little more difficult, but I think I could do it for a few months.   I manage to hide Christmas gifts successfully each year.   Now if you lived in a small house in town, it might be more difficult.       

[pallidin]

10 hours ago, Myles said:

I can understand that.   I'm only coming from experience.   I have a brother who is married and has a pole barn where he keeps cars and motorcycles.   Some that he is restoring.   I don't think his wife ever goes out there except maybe to check on him.   There are definitely areas in there that she doesn't look.   He could house 100 guns in the trunks of some of the cars.   For myself it would be a little more difficult, but I think I could do it for a few months.   I manage to hide Christmas gifts successfully each year.   Now if you lived in a small house in town, it might be more difficult.       

Maybe he had an "off-limits", locked "gun room" A friend of mine does.

Look here...

An Australian relative of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock has revealed that he has seen the 'well-stocked gun room' inside his Mesquite house in Las Vegas.

'Like you and I might have a theatre room or a hobby room or a man cave — it was a case of 'that's my gun room',' the man told The Australian on Monday. 

Speaking to the media through a closed screen door, he added that he thought the guns were not recently purchased.

The man described the 'gun room' as 'well-stocked', but refused to go into any further details.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944780/Relative-Paddock-reveals-gun-room-inside-house.html#ixzz4ufyZFFLI 
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[Myles]

43 minutes ago, Kismit said:

Only he wasn't a cheap thrifty millionaire. Look at the room he rented. And yes lots of selfmade millionaires like this around. It's an enviable amount of money but it isn't actually huge. If his wealth is calculated using assetts. He could well have been gambling money he had borrowed against equity. That's money he still didn't actually have. The only stories that came out where his bragging about his wins. His giving money away. I wouldn't discount the fact he was secretly spiraling out of control for quite some time.

I would like to know what his cash flow to debt looked like.

Also he had alcohol and gambling problems and was prescribed diazepam. That's a man out of control.

I don't think the room he rented could be used for any type of speculation.   He probably knew his chance of survival was slim, so spending a bunch on a nice room with the view he needed is irrelevant. 

 

I do think his cash flow to debt could be a big factor.

[Kismit]

Just now, Myles said:

I don't think the room he rented could be used for any type of speculation.   He probably knew his chance of survival was slim, so spending a bunch on a nice room with the view he needed is irrelevant. 

 

I do think his cash flow to debt could be a big factor.

I think that just emphasise my original theory. He wanted to go out with a bang and he didn't care if he bounced that last cheque.

But I think he did expect to get out. When did he plan on using the explosives?

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, Dark_Grey said:

See:

Do you know how many rounds you could bring in a duffle bag of magazines instead of a duffle bag full of rifles? The excuse that he brought armful of rifles cause "it's easier to pick up and keep firing" sounds exactly like something my wife would say because, bless her heart, she knows nothing about guns. There are so many logical inconsistencies in that pic of his room that interest me much more than a second shooter. Why weren't the guns piled by the window? Was he planning on walking across the room, picking up a rifle off the floor and walking back to the window? Terrible, terrible set up for what he was trying to accomplish.

This whole thing about bump stocks kind of negates that as an absolute argument. If these are modified semi’s then they’re not built to handle nonstop full auto fire. As I understand it overheating and jamming are likely to occur therefore more guns make sense. Have they said how many of the guns in the room were fired?

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, Myles said:

I don't think the room he rented could be used for any type of speculation.   He probably knew his chance of survival was slim, so spending a bunch on a nice room with the view he needed is irrelevant. 

 

I do think his cash flow to debt could be a big factor.

Casinos comp the rooms for big spenders. He was well known in Vegas and had many perks due to how much he spent gambling.

[Paranormal Panther]

19 hours ago, Michelle said:

It's definitely something that needs to be investigated. Too many doctors hand those things out like candy. I don't think they should be advertised everywhere either. Too many people are going to the doctor telling them the medication they need based on advertisements. People convince themselves they have all of the symptoms after looking it up on the internet also. At least most reliable sources on the net don't tell them the specific medications they need, as far as I know.

There was a time when neighborhood pharmacies sold hard drugs, like heroin, to customers. "Buy and use cocaine for more vim and vigor." This was close to a hundred years in the past, and it shows how understandings, of adverse effects, change over time as we gain more information about drugs. That's not limited to that period of history. I'm convinced that there's a link between heinous crimes and drug usage (legal medication). It's likely not a coincidence that we saw fewer mass shootings when fewer people took psychoactive drugs. I also think, like you, that drug ads should be banned. They're annoying, as well as dangerous, and they make me nostalgic for the commercials of our youth. 

[Paranormal Panther]

11 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Why? 

His beliefs *might* shed light on his motives and reasons. It's just one more stone that should be unturned in case it's useful. It may turn out that he was just a fiend with no discernible philosophy, whatsoever. It would just be irresponsible to not examine if ideology played a role.

[Paranormal Panther]

6 hours ago, odas said:

Maybe the aircon did not work and he needed some fresh air?

The amount of excuse for him you guys try to find is remarkable. Soon you will make a saint out of him.

Nobody is excusing him. It's a safe bet that no one here wants to beatify him, either.

[Michelle]

6 hours ago, odas said:

The amount of excuse for him you guys try to find is remarkable. Soon you will make a saint out of him.

No, we are trying to dissect what his motive might be. He does not fit any profile known, except he is male. There are very few female mass or serial killers. That is a fact. It's not sexist either, by the way.

[Myles]

41 minutes ago, Kismit said:

I think that just emphasise my original theory. He wanted to go out with a bang and he didn't care if he bounced that last cheque.

But I think he did expect to get out. When did he plan on using the explosives?

I have to think it was a "just in case" thought.  

[Why not]

1 hour ago, pallidin said:

The pictures I saw showed a substantial amount of shell casings on the floor.

Here's one...

Thanks, I had not seen this picture. I probably spoke out of place about not seeing shell casings without seeing enough pictures.  

[pallidin]

6 minutes ago, Why not said:

Thanks, I had not seen this picture. I probably spoke out of place about not seeing shell casings without seeing enough pictures.  

All is good... it's a complex tragedy to be sure.

[pallidin]

WASHINGTON — Marilou Danley, the woman investigators hoped would provide key detailsinto the motive behind her boyfriend's deadly shooting attack, said she remembers him exhibiting symptoms such as lying in bed and moaning, according to two former FBI officials who have been briefed on the matter.

"She said he would lie in bed, just moaning and screaming, 'Oh, my God,'" one of the former officials said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/vegas-shooter-s-girlfriend-says-he-would-lie-bed-moaning-n808156

[.ZZ.]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

Casinos comp the rooms for big spenders. He was well known in Vegas and had many perks due to how much he spent gambling.

I've had my room comped in Vegas and I'm nobody. In my case when I stay 2 days they would comp the 3rd night hoping I would lose more coinage in the casino.

[Why not]

5 minutes ago, pallidin said:

All is good... it's a complex tragedy to be sure.

Complex for sure. The law has it's hands full with this one. I have not been able to keep up on all the news because of my job but, it's amazing we have no hint of motive even after 4 days. You would think he would have left a few clues. Perhaps he did and the authorities are being extremely tight lipped.    Stay tuned.

[Paranormal Panther]

The sheriff said that the killer likely had help. A woman evidently was in his room. There also is the question of who the mysterious man and woman, at the concert before the shootings, were. The woman allegedly said that the concert-goers were going to die.

[thedutchiedutch]

23 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Are the investigators checking out Paddock `s and Danley`s cell phones or computers in contacts , if they have any? The motive for why this horrible attack happen   ? 

Police say they are examining "several pieces of media, including a computer," they found in Paddock's hotel room.

[.ZZ.]

Las Vegas killer's 'room service receipt' leads to fears SECOND person was with him in days before mass shooting

Read more here

[pallidin]

Note: This was written in 2013... things could have changed since then...

 

Source: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k6941314-The_4_LV_Strip_hotels_with_cameras_in_hallways-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

 

The 4 LV Strip hotels with cameras in hallways

Oct 24, 2013, 3:57 PM

 

FYI. A lot of people think there are security cameras everywhere in Las Vegas. There aren't. From an AP article written by Hannah Dreier:

There are only four major Las Vegas Strip hotels that monitor the hotel halls above the gambling floor:

MGM Grand

Planet Hollywood

Tropicana

Caesars Palace (not all towers)

 

These 23 major Las Vegas Strip hotels have no surveillance cameras in hotel hallways or elevator landings, an AP investigation found:

Aria

Ballys

Bellagio

Circus Circus

Cosmopolitan

Encore

Excalibur

Flamingo

Harrahs

Luxor

Mandalay Bay

Mirage

Monte Carlo

NYNY

Palazzo

Paris

Quad

Rio (I know they aren't on the Strip but AP doesn't)

Riviera

Treasure Island

Vdara

Venetian

Wynn

[F3SS]

Invest in local Las Vegas security camera companies now.

[Dark_Grey]

2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

The sheriff said that the killer likely had help. A woman evidently was in his room. There also is the question of who the mysterious man and woman, at the concert before the shootings, were. The woman allegedly said that the concert-goers were going to die.

I have heard that as well. A few survivors were quoted as saying some people were walking through the crowd rambling about how the concert goers "were going to die soon". I would like some confirmation on that one - very sick if true.

One man bringing that many firearms to do what he did seems odd, IMO - but if was expecting "backup" it makes perfect sense. Was he coaxed in to doing this and deliberately left to be a patsy by the organisers? Maybe the note on the table was for him, not from him.

Spoiler

"Go ahead and start without us"

Not trying to cloud the waters further, but I think there are enough facts now that we can afford to speculate a little. Kismit's breakdown of his lifestyle and ego has been interesting.

[pallidin]

7 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

I have heard that as well. A few survivors were quoted as saying some people were walking through the crowd rambling about how the concert goers "were going to die soon". I would like some confirmation on that one - very sick if true.

One man bringing that many firearms to do what he did seems odd, IMO - but if was expecting "backup" it makes perfect sense. Was he coaxed in to doing this and deliberately left to be a patsy by the organisers? Maybe the note on the table was for him, not from him.

  Reveal hidden contents

"Go ahead and start without us"

Not trying to cloud the waters further, but I think there are enough facts now that we can afford to speculate a little. Kismit's breakdown of his lifestyle and ego has been interesting.

Click on the link, not the pic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-attack-warning-eyewitness-what-happened-latest-news-updates-a7978821.html