Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[Why not]

For this idiot to have cased different hotels in different areas where big crowds were to be says to me he was just wanting to go down in history. I'm sure there was some sort of mental disorder  also but, he sure does seem to have been thinking clearly to be able to pull this off and not draw any attention to himself. 

This guy might have had grand elusions of himself and realized no one else realized them. My wife mentioned he might have been delusional about his view of himself - self made millionaire in real estate, millions from gambling. Maybe he was p***ed off the world didn't notice his "greatness" and thought he would get his name known by going out in a "blaze of glory".( I hated to put it that way)  

If he didn't write in the note why he did what he did, we may never know his true motive.   You never know what's going on in the head of the person next to you. They might appear to have their life togather and be a total mess upstairs.

[docyabut2]

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Even the investors say he had to have a help 

 

[Lilly]

This man was married and divorced twice. Perhaps the authorities need to talk to his ex-wives? That could at least give some insight into his personality.

[Gunn]

2 hours ago, Lilly said:

This man was married and divorced twice. Perhaps the authorities need to talk to his ex-wives? That could at least give some insight into his personality.

Excellent idea. And you would think they would talk to the ex-wives, since they've been questioning his relatives. Maybe one of the ex-wives noticed a deterioration in his mental state or abuse of drugs\alcohol or something like that over the years. Good investigators leave no stone upturned.

[GlitterRose]

10 hours ago, susieice said:

Paddock checked into other hotel rooms looking over festivals before he shot Sunday night. One was in Chicago.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/las-vegas-gunman-booked-other-rooms-stephen-paddock

I heard that he had scoped out several, including a Lorde concert. I just didn't know if it was true or not. There are a lot of rumors flying around. 

[GlitterRose]

10 hours ago, and then said:

Since it is literally impossible to stop every idiot who decides to harm or kill his neighbor by using a gun, the question seems to be, how to remove those guns from the idiots before they've done anything to prove that they ARE idiots. There are already laws in place to attempt this.  The Left constantly calls for more laws because their agenda hinges on small steps that criminalize weapons in the hands of average citizens.  Since no step short of actually removing every firearm in private hands could possibly make a significant difference, they know they must find a way to do exactly this.  Fortunately, they also seem to recognize the firestorm they'd create if they attempted outright confiscation.

I'll give you an example of the strategy of anti-gun types.  They will accept the offering of a ban on bump-stocks but will say it's not enough and we MUST do more, always, more.  If they criminalize private sales without becoming part of a government database, all they will have accomplished is to make tens of thousands of Americans, criminals.  They can never stop private gun sales between individuals.

I don't like the way that people started arguing over this while the bodies were still warm. People hadn't even all been identified yet. 

That said, I guess at some point, we should be having a discussion about those things they can buy online to turn semi-automatics into machine guns. 

Everyone knows it wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't have a way to convert them. 

[Gunn]

1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

I don't like the way that people started arguing over this while the bodies were still warm. People hadn't even all been identified yet. 

That said, I guess at some point, we should be having a discussion about those things they can buy online to turn semi-automatics into machine guns. 

Everyone knows it wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't have a way to convert them. 

Weeeell...not exactly ChaosRose, they now think the security guard investigating a alarm on the 32nd floor at the hotel, interrupted him from killing anymore people, just enough time for the SWAT team to get up there and take over. And the bump stock is really trash or a gimmick, there is no difference in using that and how fast you can pull the trigger on a semi-auto. The NRA, weapon specialist, and a majority of Congress know this and that's probably why they are all looking at banning bump stocks, because it doesn't make much difference in the kill ratio. But they hope it will give a majority of the public, who some don't know much about semi-automatics and how they work, a "feel good" feeling that something is being done about it, when it's really not.

 

[Why not]

2 hours ago, Purifier said:

Weeeell...not exactly ChaosRose, they now think the security guard investigating a alarm on the 32nd floor at the hotel, interrupted him from killing anymore people, just enough time for the SWAT team to get up there and take over. And the bump stock is really trash or a gimmick, there is no difference in using that and how fast you can pull the trigger on a semi-auto. The NRA, weapon specialist, and a majority of Congress know this and that's probably why they are all looking at banning bump stocks, because it doesn't make much difference in the kill ratio. But they hope it will give a majority of the public, who some don't know much about semi-automatics and how they work, a "feel good" feeling that something is being done about it, when it's really not.

 

A friend of mine bought a bump stock a couple years ago that I tried out on two different rifles. While it did seem to put out rounds pretty fast, I could have come close just pulling the trigger. What I didn't like about it was the fact you can't hit what your aiming at. Thow he put out a ton of lead, someone could have killed a lot more people with (well) placed rounds from a good hunting rifle given the time this guy had. Now there would not have been as many injuries from less rounds but, you would be suprised how a person who's a good shot with a good high power rifle can hit  a pie plate size at long distances repeatedly. 

Any way you look at all this, it's sickening.  

[pallidin]

6 hours ago, Lilly said:

This man was married and divorced twice. Perhaps the authorities need to talk to his ex-wives? That could at least give some insight into his personality.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/vegas-motive-mass-shootings.html?_r=0

Agents have fanned out across the country, interviewing family members and friends and looking for signs of mental illness.

[pallidin]

33 minutes ago, Why not said:

A friend of mine bought a bump stock a couple years ago that I tried out on two different rifles. While it did seem to put out rounds pretty fast, I could have come close just pulling the trigger. What I didn't like about it was the fact you can't hit what your aiming at. Thow he put out a ton of lead, someone could have killed a lot more people with (well) placed rounds from a good hunting rifle given the time this guy had. Now there would not have been as many injuries from less rounds but, you would be suprised how a person who's a good shot with a good high power rifle can hit  a pie plate size at long distances repeatedly. 

Any way you look at all this, it's sickening.  

With the sheer density of people at the festival concert, only a general aiming is necessary, and preferred, to inflict maximum casualties.

Edited October 7, 2017 by pallidin

[Gromdor]

39 minutes ago, Why not said:

A friend of mine bought a bump stock a couple years ago that I tried out on two different rifles. While it did seem to put out rounds pretty fast, I could have come close just pulling the trigger. What I didn't like about it was the fact you can't hit what your aiming at. Thow he put out a ton of lead, someone could have killed a lot more people with (well) placed rounds from a good hunting rifle given the time this guy had. Now there would not have been as many injuries from less rounds but, you would be suprised how a person who's a good shot with a good high power rifle can hit  a pie plate size at long distances repeatedly. 

Any way you look at all this, it's sickening.  

He killed or injured dang near 1 per second for 9-11 minutes.  You won't get rate with aiming a hunting rifle.  You really don't need to aim in a crowd of 22,000 people.

Edited October 7, 2017 by Gromdor

[pallidin]

Cameras...

I know most people know this by now, but just to repeat for those that don't:

 

There were no hallway or elevator cameras installed by the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in 2013 as verified by AP (Associated Press) They did, and do, have casino and lobby cameras.

For the above statement, see here: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k6941314-The_4_LV_Strip_hotels_with_cameras_in_hallways-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

Whether or not Mandalay Bay installed hallway cameras AFTER 2013 is unknown. Hotel security will not comment.

 

The cameras used by Stephen Paddock were NOT recording cameras. They were "monitor only" cameras. So authorities can gain nothing from them.

Edited October 7, 2017 by pallidin

[pallidin]

Las Vegas massacre: Gunman might have hired prostitute:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/07/las-vegas-massacre-gunman-might-have-hired-prostitute.html

Investigators believe Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock hired a prostitute in the days leading up to the massacre, according to an official briefed by federal law enforcement officials.

The investigators are interviewing other prostitutes for information, the official told Associated Press. 

 

 

[Dark_Grey]

11 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Cameras...

I know most people know this by now, but just to repeat for those that don't:

 

There were no hallway or elevator cameras installed by the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in 2013 as verified by AP (Associated Press) They did, and do, have casino and lobby cameras.

For the above statement, see here: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k6941314-The_4_LV_Strip_hotels_with_cameras_in_hallways-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

Whether or not Mandalay Bay installed hallway cameras AFTER 2013 is unknown. Hotel security will not comment.

 

The cameras used by Stephen Paddock were NOT recording cameras. They were "monitor only" cameras. So authorities can gain nothing from them.

Thanks for posting that. A lot of conspiracy theories started because of a lack of CCTV footage

[pallidin]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/unknowable-stephen-paddock-and-the-mystery-motive/index.html

Just another gambler

For someone who led such an adventurous life, Paddock didn't seem to like other people much. If he was often generous with friends and loved ones, he was taciturn with others.

 

Real estate agents said he paid cash for the Mesquite house. Neighbors seldom saw him, and when they did, he rarely waved. He erected a privacy fence, telling a neighbor that he didn't want to see anybody and he didn't want anybody seeing him.

 

A stylist who occasionally trimmed his hair said Paddock often came in as she opened in the mornings. He'd say he'd been gambling all night and reeked of alcohol.

About two months ago, he told the stylist he was going to send his girlfriend, Danley, to the Philippines for a family visit. Danley said through her lawyer that she found out about the trip just weeks, not months, beforehand. She said it was a surprise.

[GlitterRose]

5 hours ago, Purifier said:

Weeeell...not exactly ChaosRose, they now think the security guard investigating a alarm on the 32nd floor at the hotel, interrupted him from killing anymore people, just enough time for the SWAT team to get up there and take over. And the bump stock is really trash or a gimmick, there is no difference in using that and how fast you can pull the trigger on a semi-auto. The NRA, weapon specialist, and a majority of Congress know this and that's probably why they are all looking at banning bump stocks, because it doesn't make much difference in the kill ratio. But they hope it will give a majority of the public, who some don't know much about semi-automatics and how they work, a "feel good" feeling that something is being done about it, when it's really not.

 

I guess you have a point. 

Incidentally, every time I look at your name, I read Putrifier. 

[pallidin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/new-details-emerge-about-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-and-girlfriend-marilou-danley/?utm_term=.2a0a03bc346a

The emerging portrait of Paddock suggests a man of considerable means who liked guns, gambling and women, but who so disliked interacting with people that he sought to avoid talking to them.

Property records show Paddock sold several low-end apartment buildings and commercial buildings in California in the 2000s before purchasing an apartment building in Texas and homes in retirement communities in Florida and Nevada. Between 2003 and 2004, Paddock sold at least three commercial properties in California for a total of more than $5 million.

Paddock would buy apartments, move into them to keep an eye on his investment, but “still would employ other people to talk to the tenants because he didn’t want to talk to the tenants,” the broker said.

The aversion to human interaction even extended into Paddock’s flying, said the broker, who, like Paddock, enjoyed piloting personal planes.

At the time of their acquaintance, Paddock had a sleek new aircraft — a Cirrus SR20. On the handful of flights they made together, Paddock would map out his path — steering away from controlled areas — just to avoid having to talk to the air traffic controllers, the broker said.

Paddock’s dislike for human contact, the real estate broker said, was in part why he preferred playing video poker, a type of gambling that does not require interaction with other players.

[Kismit]

45 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Las Vegas massacre: Gunman might have hired prostitute:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/07/las-vegas-massacre-gunman-might-have-hired-prostitute.html

Investigators believe Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock hired a prostitute in the days leading up to the massacre, according to an official briefed by federal law enforcement officials.

The investigators are interviewing other prostitutes for information, the official told Associated Press. 

 

 

Quite possibly the mystery woman. And maybe her career choice is the reason she didn't come forward.

[pallidin]

Just now, Kismit said:

Quite possibly the mystery woman. And maybe her career choice is the reason she didn't come forward.

Indeed. And finding her appears to be very high on the priority list of authorities.

[Gunn]

4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

I guess you have a point. 

Incidentally, every time I look at your name, I read Putrifier. 

Lol. Oh come on now. I'm not that bad and disgusting. I take showers at least once a day. Honest! Maybe it's the cologne?

 

2 hours ago, Why not said:

A friend of mine bought a bump stock a couple years ago that I tried out on two different rifles. While it did seem to put out rounds pretty fast, I could have come close just pulling the trigger. What I didn't like about it was the fact you can't hit what your aiming at. Thow he put out a ton of lead, someone could have killed a lot more people with (well) placed rounds from a good hunting rifle given the time this guy had. Now there would not have been as many injuries from less rounds but, you would be suprised how a person who's a good shot with a good high power rifle can hit  a pie plate size at long distances repeatedly. 

Any way you look at all this, it's sickening.  

Yeah you probably would of had better hits on paper bulls eye with the tri-burst gimmick they came out with several years ago. At least there was a pause between three shots each. People with years of experience in training and shooting all kinds of firearms (especially in the military), know that none of these gimmicks are a substitute for the real thing.

[GlitterRose]

Just now, Purifier said:

Lol. Oh come on now. I'm not that bad and disgusting. I take showers at least once a day. Honest! Maybe it's the cologne?

 

Yeah you probably would of had better hits on paper bulls eye with the tri-burst gimmick they came out with several years ago. At least there was a pause between three shots each. People with years of experience in training and shooting all kinds of firearms (especially in the military), know that none of these gimmicks are a substitute for the real thing.

Hehehe. It's nothing personal. You have to wonder why my mind reads it that way, though. Do I have putrefaction on the brain?

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

I heard that he had scoped out several, including a Lorde concert. I just didn't know if it was true or not. There are a lot of rumors flying around. 

I'm so glad that he DID scope out other venues.  It tends to mitigate against the idea that he was just a country music/anti-conservative type.  As insane as his actions were, it might have been far worse.

[GlitterRose]

Just now, and then said:

I'm so glad that he DID scope out other venues.  It tends to mitigate against the idea that he was just a country music/anti-conservative type.  As insane as his actions were, it might have been far worse.

Yeah it was pretty upsetting that people were trying to take it there and use that to demonize...like...I dunno...half the country. 

[+susieice]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10/06/photos-of-victims-in-las-vegas-shooting-orig-lc.cnn

Here's a video of all the people who were killed. This is what we should remember.

[+susieice]

This should be done also.

http://ktla.com/2017/10/07/family-of-santa-clarita-man-killed-in-las-vegas-attack-sues-to-have-shooters-assets-seized/