Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[F3SS]

Sorry if it’s been posted already

[Kurzweil]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but could it be possible the dummy laptop is just a decoy? They might be looking for something that doesn't exist or have any relevance other than to keep them busy for some time.

[bee]

On 26/10/2017 at 4:16 PM, Dark_Grey said:

It's a lot easier to say "he was just crazy" than to read between the lines and potentially come face to face with a very uncomfortable truth.

Let's recap: someone(s) broke in to Paddock's house and removed unknown items, according to Police. A house that was under under investigation by authorities.

Now we find that Paddock removed the hard drive from his laptop in his hotel room somewhere between shooting at the crowd below and killing himself before Police arrived.

Paddock would have needed a small screwdriver to take that hard drive out - did he bring the tools with him knowing he was going to pull the hard drive? If it was a last minute decision, why not dispose of the whole laptop? Pulling the hard drive seems overly surgical for the time this whole thing went down. 

Speculating on a second shooter is one thing but my points above are known facts. To an outsider like me, it really does seem like someone(s) was picking out key pieces of evidence.

 

It seems to me that it was decided that the hard drive had to ''''''disappear'''''' because otherwise the victims and families, lawyers, public etc
would want to know what was on it and it's easier for the 'authorities' to say --- it's gone --- than expose and explain what was on it -- ??

 

 

[docyabut2]

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Odd, I heard on the news that a examination is going on Paddock`s brain. The hard drives had to be taken or given before he entered the hotel.   

 

[katsung47]

989. O.J. almost became a collateral victim (11/2/2017)

O.J. simpson was a target of Las Vegas shooting, I allege. 

O.J. was released at 0:08 a.m. 10/1. That night at 10:05 p.m. the Las Vegas massacre took place. The jail he left is near Reno, Nevada, about 450 miles from Las Vegas - where O.J. was going to live. They gave him plenty of time for the journey. The Feds arranged everything - from timing to location. Be noticed that Friday was only two days to the shooting date Sunday. 

Simpson has four adult children, two of whom live in Florida, and LaVergne told the Associated Press that “there’s no doubt he’s going to Florida.” Tom Scotto, a friend and golfing buddy, has offered his home in Naples to Simpson.

However, that state’s attorney general informed the Florida Department of Corrections on Friday that he is not welcome there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/01/quietly-and-with-little-attention-o-j-simpson-is-released-from-prison-early-sunday-morning/?utm_term=.749632819400

The original release time was Monday (10/2), but the shooting which had to accord with the Concert of 10/1 night. So they gave an excuse of "to ensure public safety" to make it on 10/1.  

Keast said the overnight release from the prison about 90 miles east of Reno, Nevada, was conducted to avoid media attention. No media were near the front gate at the time when Simpson's car left the prison by a back road and entered nearby Interstate 80, she said.

"We needed to do this to ensure public safety and to avoid any possible incident," Keast said.

She acknowledged Nevada prison officials misled the media with word about the timing and location of Simpson's release. They had advised it would be no earlier than Monday and possibly in Las Vegas.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oj-simpson-future-plans-las-vegas-area-parole-jail-release/

I have noticed that the jail system won't do parole job in week-ends. I've talked about that if the Feds want to kill a victim in jail, they used to arrange the arrest on Friday because following would be week-ends. Parole job is on vacation. Of course, for "public safety", there was exception. 

O.J.Simpson is a celebrity, his death would increase the influence of a massacre shooting. That's what a distraction needs. O.J. almost became a collateral victim. 
 

[preacherman76]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 9:41 PM, pallidin said:

The hotel camera recordings, which include areas of the outside perimeter, the lobby, and the casino's have been turned over to the authorities. There are no hotel security cameras in the elevators or the hallways.

The authorities have not released the footages obtained, but my understanding is that that's normal for an ongoing investigation, and may never be released out of privacy of casino patrons.

They released the footage of the resent NY attack.

[Paranormal Panther]

7 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

They released the footage of the resent NY attack.

Yes, but you see, that was an outdoor event in a public space, not an indoor event in a private place, so the legal authorities have an obligation to the hotel to not reveal the identities of its patrons, so it would not be responsible to show the footage to the public at this time. Yeah, that was sarcasm.

[aztek]

when videos prove police story, or help police in any way they are made available same or next day. regardless whether investigation is ongoing or not.  when they do not or it shows police in bad light, or contradicts their story, they do not show it, and blame ongoing investigation. 

[Habitat]

So, after all this time, no clear motive has emerged for this awful happening ? Hard to believe.

[Gromdor]

24 minutes ago, Habitat said:

So, after all this time, no clear motive has emerged for this awful happening ? Hard to believe.

He wanted to shoot a bunch of people.

[Habitat]

7 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

He wanted to shoot a bunch of people.

Thanks, I had no idea.

[bee]

1 hour ago, Habitat said:

So, after all this time, no clear motive has emerged for this awful happening ? Hard to believe.

 

interesting theory about a Saudi Royal Connection talked about here ....
 

that the massacre and shooting   at a large jet fuel tank at McCarran International Airport 2,000 feet (600 m) away.  (wiki link just for the shooting at the fuel tank bit and the 'official story'..)

was an attempt to cover up a botched assassination attempt on the Crown Prince by the would be assassins and provide cover for their own escape....
and that Paddock was just involved in supplying guns and they killed him in the room... 

of course all that would be topper than top secret if it's true and like with 9/11 any Saudi Elite connections
kept under wraps for economic and political 'reasons'... 

well you did ask.... 
 

https://coercioncode.com/2017/11/10/the-saudi-royal-connection-and-the-las-vegas-concert-massacre/
 

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The plan is to take out the crown prince. Then kill King Salman.

With the King and the Crown Prince dead, who is next in line? Yup.

The former deputy crown prince, Muqrin.

So, posing as terrorists who wanted to buy the guns for some terrorist attack, they dupe the CIA or FBI to supply the guns to the death squad.

Their real plan is to climb the stairs right after the deal and kill the VIP in the floors above them.

This is why the weapons cache was located on the 32nd floor. They would only have to climb a few stairs or take the elevator up a little to start the killing. Now, here’s what happened that night:.....

 

 

Edited September 18, 2018 by bee

[Habitat]

It does seem odd that motive is no clearer now, than the day after it happened. The people in the FBI whose job is to nut this stuff out, maybe aren't as smart as we thought. You'd think something would have crystallized by now.

[Myles]

Perhaps not a crystal clear motive.     Maybe there was no other motive than wanting to go out with a "bang".   

A sick individual either way.

[kartikg]

5 hours ago, Habitat said:

It does seem odd that motive is no clearer now, than the day after it happened. The people in the FBI whose job is to nut this stuff out, maybe aren't as smart as we thought. You'd think something would have crystallized by now.

Maybe he just wanted to shoot people no motive required he just felt like doing it just like we feel like having an ice-cream, he just thought let's kill a bunch of people so planned and executed it. 

[Gromdor]

7 hours ago, Habitat said:

Thanks, I had no idea.

No, really.  He just wanted to shoot people.  He wasn't insane.  He could do complex math and prepare for weeks before hand.

[Gunn]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

No, really.  He just wanted to shoot people.  He wasn't insane.  He could do complex math and prepare for weeks before hand.

Yeah but see...if you shoot that many people and then off yourself afterwards, well you're really not a stable individual either with some underlying mental health issues. And he may have been taking diazepam, which he was prescribed and could have been the root cause or fueled his actions. Especially if he was abusing it.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

 

 

[aztek]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

No, really.  He just wanted to shoot people.

when people want that, they do not bring more guns and ammo than they can use,  they do not set up cams and laptop in hotels, so they can kill themselves and magically make hdd disappear from locked room,  

[Guyver]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

No, really.  He just wanted to shoot people.  He wasn't insane.  He could do complex math and prepare for weeks before hand.

The fact that he just wanted to shoot a bunch of people is what demonstrates that he was in fact insane.  You don't see that?

[aztek]

devil is in details, things are never what they seem.

[Gunn]

5 hours ago, Guyver said:

The fact that he just wanted to shoot a bunch of people is what demonstrates that he was in fact insane.  You don't see that?

I don't think he ever does or ever will. Because I've had this argument with him @Gromdor in the past on another mentally ill person killing a bunch of people, but he's got this notion that if you are suffering from some type of mental illness...well your just too dumb to plan things or have the ability to think I guess. But that is a black\white psychological fallacy to me, because there can be grey areas with mental illness and still have the ability to plan to do cunning and horrible things to others.

I mean if you look at someone like Charles Manson and the brutal murders he planned with his cult family, despite his mental illness he planned those murders and succeeded and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and paranoid delusional disorder later on.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Gunn

[aztek]

it is a fallacy, it would mean every mass shooter is not sane and can't stand trial,

[skliss]

Again I reference the book The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. In it he explains that people who do these things always have a reason...it might not be clear to us, or even make sense, but to them it's perfectly sensible.  Just because it's so out of the realm of what we would do or think doesn't make it "senseless". Many are motivated by the thought of the news coverage with their name and face blazed across the screen. Even though we would view it as negative or shameful, they dont see that. One thing he says, that makes sense, is to a person like that, they see that perp walk, in an orange jumpsuit and bullet proof vest, surrounded by armed guards as him looking like a rock star, not a shamed murderer as we would. Instead he says they should show footage of his dirty house, dishes in the sink, undies on the floor and say..."Look at what a loser this guy was!" Not his cool home arsenal.

[Gromdor]

On 9/18/2018 at 7:31 PM, Gunn said:

I don't think he ever does or ever will. Because I've had this argument with him @Gromdor in the past on another mentally ill person killing a bunch of people, but he's got this notion that if you are suffering from some type of mental illness...well your just too dumb to plan things or have the ability to think I guess. But that is a black\white psychological fallacy to me, because there can be grey areas with mental illness and still have the ability to plan to do cunning and horrible things to others.

I mean if you look at someone like Charles Manson and the brutal murders he planned with his cult family, despite his mental illness he planned those murders and succeeded and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and paranoid delusional disorder later on.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

 

So, basically everyone that kills anyone or does any crime for that matter is insane.  It's not their fault.  They didn't choose to do it.  No personal accountability in your world. 

 

[Gunn]

20 hours ago, Gromdor said:

So, basically everyone that kills anyone or does any crime for that matter is insane.  It's not their fault.  They didn't choose to do it.  No personal accountability in your world. 

 

Huh? Why wouldn't they be held accountable if they didn't kill themselves in the end? I thought the old argument between you and me was they couldn't plan things out if they were mentally ill in some way? And I'm saying they still can. Did you not read my example of Charles Manson being diagnosed with schizophrenia and paranoid delusional disorder? You know he was on death row before California changed it's laws. They sure held him accountable, even though he didn't personally do the murders.