Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[Michelle]

7 minutes ago, Kismit said:

Good to hear. Now how about a gun register so the guns purchased can be traced? 

No. That is my right to privacy. I will not be on a list people could hack into, to see what I have of value they could steal.

I was furious enough when someone hacked into the list of the people who have carry permits and the list was exposed in the news.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Michelle

[Kismit]

Just now, Michelle said:

No. That is my right to privacy. I will not be a list people could hack into to, to see what I have of value they could steal.

Let's face it if they are looking up a gun owners registry they arn't genius burglars.  As for identity theft. A gun registry  isn't  any less safe than facebook, internet banking, rewards cards, email subscriptions. And credit card fraud shouldn't really be sn issue. Your financial details should not come into it.

[Michelle]

Just now, Kismit said:

Let's face it if they are looking up a gun owners registry they arn't genius burglars.  As for identity theft. A gun registry  isn't  any less safe than facebook, internet banking, rewards cards, email subscriptions. And credit card fraud shouldn't really be sn issue. Your financial details should not come into it.

 

5 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I was furious enough when someone hacked into the list of the people who have carry permits and the list was exposed in the news.

I added this. If I can help it my personal information isn't on the internet. This information is non-negotiable to me. Yes, they do look up information like that on the internet to target for robberies and it's not stupid.

[Paranormal Panther]

23 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

They did find her, she is in Japan.

She returned to the US. She was questioned for hours.

[Paranormal Panther]

23 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

They did find her, she is in Japan.

She returned to the US. She was questioned for hours.

[Kismit]

Just now, Michelle said:

 

I added this. If I can help it my personal information isn't on the internet. This information is non-negotiable to me. Yes, they do look up information like that on the internet to target for robberies and it's not stupid.

We got rid of our land line because the only time we seemed to get calls people hang up. Then someone attempted to rob our house. Name and number in the book, ring and see if they're in.

I'm just saying if I was a criminal I would research who wasn't able to shoot me if I broke in.

[Farmer77]

20 minutes ago, Kismit said:

It sure wouldn't happen over night. You would be talking about decades before any change was really noticable. But if nothing is done nothing will change.

First off, way to hold your own against the tide Kismit! 

I have to say though that I actually agree with Bill Oreilley on this one. Mass shootings are the cost of freedom. I had several friends in that concert, none that were hit thankfully and I still agree with that sentiment. 

We have too many examples of what happens when the government has guns and the populace doesnt. In today's anti intellectual america the Khmer Rouge pops to mind as a somewhat relevant comparison. 

Is that an extreme example? Of course, but its one that wont be happening in America and IDK that any other nation on earth can say the same with confidence. 

[Michelle]

Just now, Kismit said:

I'm just saying if I was a criminal I would research who wasn't able to shoot me if I broke in.

If it was illegal for you to have a gun, as a criminal. These crackhead gangbangers look to where they could get one to rob and kill more people. You can't be home all of the time.

[Kismit]

10 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

First off, way to hold your own against the tide Kismit! 

I have to say though that I actually agree with Bill Oreilley on this one. Mass shootings are the cost of freedom. I had several friends in that concert, none that were hit thankfully and I still agree with that sentiment. 

We have too many examples of what happens when the government has guns and the populace doesnt. In today's anti intellectual america the Khmer Rouge pops to mind as a somewhat relevant comparison. 

Is that an extreme example? Of course, but its one that wont be happening in America and IDK that any other nation on earth can say the same with confidence. 

Thank you 

Im pretty sure there is far too much convict in every Australian for them to worry. Re:the recent head butting incident with Toni Abbott. And the Kiwi's they've definetly got some shady characters that would love a coup so it's best we try and make sure we know as much about where the guns are that we can.

[F3SS]

3 minutes ago, Kismit said:

We got rid of our land line because the only time we seemed to get calls people hang up. Then someone attempted to rob our house. Name and number in the book, ring and see if they're in.

I'm just saying if I was a criminal I would research who wasn't able to shoot me if I broke in.

And just how do you think a lot of stolen street guns get on the street? Break ins. Of course the risk is high but that’s what happens.

 

[Kismit]

4 minutes ago, Michelle said:

If it was illegal for you to have a gun, as a criminal. These crackhead gangbangers look to where they could get one to rob and kill more people. You can't be home all of the time.

That's a good point. So I say shoot them. Im not against self defence. If your not home secure them hide them. If you are home shoot them. If your worried about them stealing your stuff insure it. It's not worth as much as a persons life. 

Yes guns get stolen here, farmers are targeted regularly. 

Im saying there needs to be change.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

We got rid of our land line because the only time we seemed to get calls people hang up. Then someone attempted to rob our house. Name and number in the book, ring and see if they're in.

Most people here don't have land lines any more.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

That's a good point. So I say shoot them. Im not against self defence. 

You betcha! There have been times when I've been home alone and someone sketchy knocks on the door. I don't open it, but when they walk around the house and check on the other door that is when they find out I'm home. After I've already got 911 on the phone.

This is a great neighborhood now, but thirty years ago was a different story.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Michelle

[Golden Duck]

14 hours ago, Timonthy said:

In America it is fun and acceptable to unload semi/auto clips into whatever you want for recreation. YouTube has plenty of videos of it. 

I really wouldn't know where to start if I wanted to get an assault weapon in Australia. I’d have to Google it. 

Generally, you would have to be a professional shooter.

[Paranormal Panther]

8 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

This. A country/western music festival. What does that mean to the killer? I feel like his girlfriend will provide that missing puzzle piece.

So here's the million dollar question: what laws could be changed to prevent this exact scenario from happening again? From my understanding, most, if not all, of what he was doing is already illegal so no law would help there. The background check process works exactly as designed, as this reporter found out, so what else can be done? 

We need to address mental health more than we need to address the guns. Right now in the UK, they are considering regulating the sale of acid due to a drastic increase in acid attacks. Not to mention the heavy discussions around vehicles plowing through crowded markets. My point being that even if we were to remove ALL guns with a magic wand, there are still pressure cooker bombs to worry about. Or rizen gas in the Tokyo subway, or this, or that...

I think that due to lobbyists and complacent politicians, mental health is woefully under-reported and underfunded. A week after each mass shooting, we know the killer's work history, family history, his past relationships...but rarely do we learn anything regarding their mental health beyond "a history of depression" (perhaps due to privacy laws?). So what SSRI blockers was he on? Can we talk about the "disassociative qualities" these types of medications seem to have? For all we know, this a-hole could have spent the last 2 years in a total haze, devoid of any compassion or empathy and that culminated in this tragedy.

Fix mental health and you fix the "gun problem".

"This medication may cause homicidal and/or suicidal urges in some people who take it." How many times have you heard variations of that theme when they list side effects during ads for drugs? Our country is way too overmedicated, and drug ads should be banned from TV. It seems like these horrible crimes rose as the use of psychopharmaceutical drugs rose.

[travelnjones]

22 hours ago, F3SS said:

That’s a bit unfair and nobody has made any claims. His whiteness has nothing to do with it. We are all speculating off the wall possibilities because given what we are told so far about his life doesn’t make sense to what he’s done. This is the most bizarre turn of events anyone has ever seen and we all just want to know why. 

 

There’s an indoor range right near me that you’re not allowed to use your own ammo so that’s not always the case.

Yeah some are like that, not a ton of people like them.  Serious marksmen often self load bullets.  Cheap people like me think they are forcing you to buy over priced bullets.

[docyabut2]

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One wonders what religions this couple Paddock and Danley are. It did say on the news Paddock turn to be a Islamic two months ago

 

[Paranormal Panther]

8 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

Same. On some level, many of us knew the #PUNCHNAZIS and all the violence against Trumpists in the early days was eventually going to peak with some horrible event. IF it turns out that this shooting was motivated by that Leftist (not Liberal,) mindset, it will be the 3rd politically motivated shooting of Republicans this year (Repub senator at baseball, Sudanese man shooting up church, then this). I am really, really hoping this was a lone nut at the end of his rope. Word online is that his gf is some kind of extremist that might have pushed him but that's just "online". We will see.

From the very start, my gut told me that he wasn't linked to any group or any movement. That makes it all the more confusing since you don't know what motivates individuals to do these terrible things. It's even worse when they kill themselves, taking their explanations with them. The fact, that there's no explanation, makes it even more troubling than an ISIS attack in some ways.

[F3SS]

23 minutes ago, travelnjones said:

Yeah some are like that, not a ton of people like them.  Serious marksmen often self load bullets.  Cheap people like me think they are forcing you to buy over priced bullets.

Oh they definitely are. I only go once in a while and don’t own a gun and it’s two minutes walking distance to get there so it really works for me. I actually haven’t been there for a couple years but might go this weekend with my brother and his new gun.

 

35 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

"This medication may cause homicidal and/or suicidal urges in some people who take it." How many times have you heard variations of that theme when they list side effects during ads for drugs? Our country is way too overmedicated, and drug ads should be banned from TV. It seems like these horrible crimes rose as the use of psychopharmaceutical drugs rose.

I totally agree but I never seen one say might cause homicidal urges. 

[Uncle Sam]

2 hours ago, Kismit said:

Just Wow!

Midwest where most of us gun owners live... isn't the problem. The problem is mostly situated in the east coast and west coast. To be honest, I think it has everything to do with large population centers and how people don't even take the time to get to know each other. It makes it easier for others to develop no sympathy at all.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Uncle Sam

[Kismit]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Midwest where most of us gun owners live... isn't the problem. The problem is mostly situated in the east coast and west coast. To be honest, I think it has everything to do with large population centers and how people don't even take the time to get to know each other. It makes it easier for others to develop no sympathy at all.

I do agree. The loss of communittee has eaten away at our social empathy.

[docyabut2]

46 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

One wonders what religions this couple Paddock and Danley are. It did say on the news Paddock turn to be a Islamic two months ago.

 

To add, my post , the news did say Isis did claim Poddock is their warrior

Edited October 4, 2017 by docyabut2

[aztek]

2 hours ago, Kismit said:

No. The first one  affects future purchases of guns. A buy back scheme is voluntary. That's how they did it in Australia. The government brought back ( paid for) the guns people didn't want. Non criminals returned illiegal guns they possesed, where paid for it, not charged, and the guns where offvthe streets and away from criminal hands. You don't have to surrender your guns just sell the guns you don't need.

And a Nationsl gun register could show up odd patterns in behavior wich are currently missed.

Little steps.

do you realize we already have over 300mll guns, that we know about, registered ones, then add a lot more that are not registered, cuz registration started no earlier than 1970-80s i think, yet guns are as old as america, add huge industry on making guns, as factories as well as simple machine shops that can make any gun, parts guns sold and build back into guns, no numbers, you looking at over well over billion firearms,  and you think mass shooting (planned, for some time, by determined people) would have any affect on? all by making laws????   lol,  and to just try that you willing to ruin privacy, security of millions, ?? and somehow stop flood of guns made on black market  in any machine shop, i listed above, (what are you gonna control and restrict next, machinery, tools, electricity, how big of a house i need, car, how many kids i make....etc) lol

well, nope, it is wrong on so many levels.  absolutely useless. 

Edited October 5, 2017 by aztek

[Paranormal Panther]

38 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I totally agree but I never seen one say might cause homicidal urges. 

Look out for that word or variations of the same kind of emotional response (anger, etc.). You might even be able to see it listed on varied medications' web sites under the sections about side effects. Many killers and psychos took drugs that have adverse side effects. Sometimes, they took cocktails of them.

[F3SS]

Just now, Paranormal Panther said:

Look out for that word or variations of the same kind of emotional response (anger, etc.). You might even be able to see it listed on varied medications' web sites under the sections about side effects. Many killers and psychos took drugs that have adverse side effects. Sometimes, they took cocktails of them.

I totally believe that’s a real side effect of these designer drugs I just never noticed it listed specifically in the fine print or the fast talker who rattled off side effects but I’ll be on notice now.